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post #121 of 349
I called J&R and they said they have a bunch of WNDR3800 routers coming in this week.

Ordered mine yesterday from J&R ...$149.99
I used coupon code JRGOOG for $10.00 off.

Total was $139.99 with free shipping.
post #122 of 349
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Originally Posted by TbirdDriver View Post

I called J&R and they said they have a bunch of WNDR3800 routers coming in this week.

Ordered mine yesterday from J&R ...$149.99
I used coupon code JRGOOG for $10.00 off.

Total was $139.99 with free shipping.

You don't want to wait for the wndr4500?
post #123 of 349
This is really getting ridiculous now. Have just received the following from my preferred reseller in the UK -

Hi Norman,

I have just checked stock and the date has now been removed completely.

We were advised that stock would be arriving today, however, you may want to email Netgear for further information.


When I contact Netgear they have no reliable information!
post #124 of 349
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Originally Posted by Norm View Post

This is really getting ridiculous now. Have just received the following from my preferred reseller in the UK -

Hi Norman,

I have just checked stock and the date has now been removed completely.

We were advised that stock would be arriving today, however, you may want to email Netgear for further information.


When I contact Netgear they have no reliable information!

Which reseller is it?

I'm waiting as well. If there isn't going to be a UK model, then maybe ordering from Europe will be quicker.

I'd also still like to know why there is no 'UKS' model and how a 'PES' model would differ.

Or do we wait for the WNDR4500.
post #125 of 349
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post

Which reseller is it?

I'm waiting as well. If there isn't going to be a UK model, then maybe ordering from Europe will be quicker.

I'd also still like to know why there is no 'UKS' model and how a 'PES' model would differ.

Or do we wait for the WNDR4500.

CBC Computers. My understanding is that the only practical difference was to be the power supply and, perhaps, the user manuals. The WNDR3800 is the one for me - if it ever comes out!
post #126 of 349
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Originally Posted by Norm View Post

CBC Computers. My understanding is that the only practical difference was to be the power supply and, perhaps, the user manuals. The WNDR3800 is the one for me - if it ever comes out!

If there is no 'UKS' model, then I imagine the 'PES' model now contains an adapter to use the power supply in a UK mains socket, otherwise UK retailers will have include one to legally sell it in the UK.

I held off getting a 3700 because I thought the 3800 would be available 3 weeks ago. I don't think I'd bother with a 4500, unless it's available before the 3800. My Wireless Adapters are all N300 anyway and I'm not going to pay out to replace them any time soon.
post #127 of 349
I have successfully flashed the V1.0.0.18 firmware for the WNDR3800 on my WNDR3700V2 since they are the same hardware, just a rebranded and modified case. My router has been running rock solid since I initially flashed from V1.0.0.16 and the upgrade has gone perfectly smoothly. If you do a google search for wndr3700v2 V1.0.0.16 there are a number of articles on DD-WRT showing how to do this pretty simply. Best part was, the upgrade from WNDR3700V2 firmware to WNDR3800 V1.0.0.16 kept my router settings and I was up and running in minutes.

Good luck to all.
post #128 of 349
Anyone else having issues with the 3800 dropping devices from the LAN. I have experienced this problem twice now. Once with my android phone not being able to connect to the wireless and now it appears my Unraid box has been disconnected. Last time I thought a bad cable was an issue but now I think this router maybe a bit buggy. Never had an issue with the Asus and now that the 3800 took its place weird issues keep cropping up.
post #129 of 349
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Originally Posted by sudhakary View Post

I got my wndr3800 from buy.com yesterday. Waiting for this router since Mar'11. I did setup lastnight, so far everything is great. I replaced my linksys router. this one is little bulky in size compare to linksys.

I setup my network for 2.4 and 5 Ghz, and guest network for the same and a video network for 5Ghz.. I can see 2.4 network in all my devices, but 5Ghz in only Roku not in my PC at all. And i can see 5 Ghz on and off in my touchpad.
What needs to be done to see the 5Ghz on my pc. My PC will definetly supports 5 Ghz. this is latest HP laptop support b/g/n network.

I will do somemore tests tonight.
In one word this router is great working so far.

Just because a device supports n doesn't mean it has dual bands. Being latest also doesn't mean it is dual band either. As you can see from devices that have it the 5 ghz band is working.

Bob
post #130 of 349
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Originally Posted by robholding View Post

I'm looking to buy a WNDR3800 as soon as they are available.
The question I have is; Does anyone one know the difference between these two model numbers?

WNDR3800-100UKS
&
WNDR3800-100PES

I have found both part numbers on different website:

broadbandbuyer.co.uk
£136.55 including vat

cbccomputers.com
£128.74 including vat

Thank you all

The UK model isn't available according to the Netgear product guys. They may just have it listed from old data. The 100pes is the European part number I believe but you will need a plug adapter.

Bob
post #131 of 349
Hi Bob

You have seen the recent posts about availability of the WNDR3800 in the UK where basically, after repeated assurances that it would be available by last week, no dates are now being given at all. Are you able to find out what is happening, please? This is getting increasingly frustrating.
post #132 of 349
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Originally Posted by Gronnie View Post

Can someone please explain how I set the router to broadcast only in N? I think I change something from 20 to 40, but I'm not sure where to do it at?

You don't. The router will automatically work with g and n devices. But understand whatever the slowest device you connect and operate is what the unit will operate in. If you have no g devices then nothing to be concerned by. It will operate in n performance mode all the time.

Bob
post #133 of 349
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Originally Posted by cburbs View Post

Ok so I got the 3800 yesterday from Frys - Giving it a whirl against my old trusty Dlink DIR 655 that I have owned for a while now.

In the small pamphlet there is talk about "Video Mode". The interesting thing is it mentions to use "Guest" wireless for your streaming devices. Correct me if I am wrong here but Guest is for Internet only so that defeats the purpose of streaming etc unless they mean for Internet streaming only?
In my mind media streaming devices are for streaming netflix/youtube etc plus your own video files so this then would defeat the purpose of this "Video Mode".

This is confusing so let me help. The router has the ability to create multiple wireless nets. Guest mode is creating another ssid. You the have the ability to connect it to the rest of your network or not. If not you may choose to turn off security as an example. This gives you tremendous flexibility in how you set up your wireless network.

Video mode is an algorithm that analyses the data if it can tell when you sending video. When it does it actually throttles down peak speeds and throttles up minimum speeds so that you do not get any stutter or freezing. But this is not ideal for data where you may want the fastest speeds and don't care if it pauses a second here and there.

With guest mode you can actually create a separate video ssid and wireless net. This gives you total flexibility.

Bob
post #134 of 349
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Originally Posted by dpeagle View Post

just did the 1st firmware update. one click and its all done. no complicated process. i like this thing more and more each day. does anyone have a link to the release notes for this update. v1.0.0.18

The .18 release fixes some bugs. In my case the router wouldn't pass port 80. The .18 fixed that. So for everyone go ahead and update.

Bob
post #135 of 349
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Originally Posted by cburbs View Post

Yeah I forgot about that. The guy goes there is this new model. I didn't even look at it since it was priced at 179.
Saw the update this morning and did that as well.. The odd thing is with mine I lost my settings I had changed.

Yes unfortunately this update wiped all the settings. I too had to recreate everything. And I ave about 10 port forwards Suggestion is to back up the configuration file as well as take screen shots of the setup pages for later reference.

Bob
post #136 of 349
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Originally Posted by tietack View Post

Got the router yesterday. While I appreciate the ease of installation, I purchased the router with two things in mind:

1) Security
2) Time Machine support

When I run nmap on the router, I get a number of odd open ports, including 548, 3333, 5555, 8200, 20005. Seems like a big security hole to me.

I've updated the router to firmware version 1.0.0.18, which is supposed to enable Time Machine support of 500GB or 1TB, depending on the format.

Been on chat with Netgear support for over an hour. And all they did was tell me to contact Apple w/r/t why OSX 10.6 doesn't see the shared USB drive, and gave me faulty instructions on how to disable the noted ports (all security holes IMO). Netgear support just dropped me, after not wanting to verify the existence of Bob Silver (as a Netgear consultant).

Netgear chat stopped after just over an hour.. Looks like they've hung up on me.

First off I am not a Netgear employee. I am a consultant with the sales and marketing group helping improve communication with AVS and otter enthusiasts.

That said I have been copied on emails from engineering regarding Time Machine and Genie. Of late the Genie will only work on 10.6 but are trying to get it to work on 10.5.

As to the open ports that is news to me. I'll ask about it and why that is the case.

Bob
post #137 of 349
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Originally Posted by solaris72 View Post

Is it worth to buy wndr3800 as i already own wndr3700?

I'm not using usb port at all. All i need is wired/wireless performance. Performance wise will it make any big difference?

The biggest difference between the 2 are the features and the clear channel in the 2.4ghz band. If you see a lot of wifi nets in your area then yes the 3800 may help. If not and you don't care about the premium features then stay with your 3700.

Bob
post #138 of 349
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Originally Posted by Joewalls123 View Post


Yep I hear what your saying.
I found 5+ uk resellers which had it listed on their website as out of stock, contacted them all and they all pretty much said they have no idea when they'll get them from Netgear.

I contacted Netgear and they told me the uk won't get them until next quarter... This is a joke!

Buy the 100pes model. It is the euro version but you will need a plug adapter.

Bob
post #139 of 349
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Originally Posted by Joewalls123 View Post

Bob I've been (im)patiently waiting for the 3800 to appear in the UK.

My current Netgear WNR854T is giving up on me, it seems to drop if I have more than 2 devices connected to it, so I've been looking for a replacement and I thought the 3800 sounded perfect for me, however I've just spotted the WNDRMAC on Netgear's website, now I'm confused.

I have:
[*]iPhone 4 - wireless[*]Macbook Pro - mainly wireless (n150)[*]PS3 - wired[*]Laptop - wireless (n300)[*]Laptop - wireless (g)[*]HP wireless printer (always connected)[*]Airport express (for music streaming)[*]And 2/3 android phones which are sometimes connected wireless.


[*]It's a fairly big house, (not huge), I also use the devices across 2 floors, and sometimes the garden.[*]The iPhone is always connected and the mac usually is, but sometime ALL devices are connected the my router.[*]I sometimes stream films to the PS3 from the mac[*]I do plan on connecting a hard drive to the router either USB or Ethernet and plan on streaming films from there to ps3, I also plan on using the hard drive for time machine back-ups from the mac.[*]The 3800's ready share cloud looks interesting but not a need for me.[*]I also have alot of network interference (I can see approx 10 wireless networks if I do a scan)


Do you have any advice on which one is right for me?
Also any news on the 3800's time machine support? Was it fixed in the latest update?

Thanks in advance!
Joe.

The difference between the WNDRMAC and the WNDR3800 is this. The MAC is a basic dual band router with the same Time Machine support that is in the 3800 minus all the premium features in the 3800. As a result it costs less.

Given what you describe get the 3800 for the Clear Channel support alone.

The Time Machine was enabled in the .18 firmware release.

Bob
post #140 of 349
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Originally Posted by trillix View Post

Hello. I purchased the WNDR from Buy.com and it arrived today, six days later.

The specs previously indicated the router would work with Mac OS 10.4.11 and now the Netgear website states "Mac OS" instead.

The install process has not gone smoothly, and the "beta NetGenie software" for Mac does not even stay open after launching -- thus only the web browser version of the admin software works. No cool network maps or diagnostics for me apparently.

Instead of auto-logging in upon the router configuring itself, I got a username/password prompt instead -- then dumbly input the SSID and Password because there was no other information about what to do in such a situation. Did this compromise my security from the start, and is it necessary to generate a new SSID and password because it was sent to an unencrypted page at routerlogin.net?

The process so far seems half-baked in terms of a Mac install, perhaps intentionally made this way?

Further, trying to set-up only the 2.4 wifi for the near-term then requires turning off the radio signal for the 5GHz band, which is done by clicking an 'apply' button for making the changes. Strangely, this does not permanently configure the wifi and the 5GHz band continues to show up after moving around other menus. It seems to have its own idea of how it wants to work and I have not yet figured out what is required to keep the 5GHz band turned off.

I read that people here were updating to the new firmware version and had not saved/stored their Router config settings, which the admin software allows. Thus, I saved my router settings, and then sought to restore them after the firmware update and it said "FAILURE" as a result -- the settings were not restored, they were invalid. Is a firmware update beyond the scope of saved router settings - what are they used for then?

My reason for writing was to find out if anyone knows how to 'name' devices that show up in the web version of the admin interface (routerlogin.net) -- i.e. specifically in the Attached Devices category where devices connected to the network are listed. I have several that I would rather have names for, and there seems to be no way to edit these, though I am to guess the NetGenie software for Mac perhaps could do this.

I tried to name a device using the "Wireless Card Access List" (under Advanced Setup > Wireless Settings ) and yet the device name does not show up in Attached Devices, though its MAC Address does and the name is linked to the MAC Address. I have another wired device that is and there is seemingly no way of naming it. No graphical network maps or speed dials for internet speed or anything, either. Not what I was expecting given the screenshots in reviews or the high praise of others experiences.

There are a significant amount of problems that were surprising to encounter and it seems almost as if my computer is unofficially unsupported, unless of course the NetGenie software for Mac will start to work on 10.4.11 very quickly here. If it stays this way, the router becomes more of a hassle to manage a network with than a time-saving management tool - and at the very least if it is not going to be supported for 10.4.11 customers should be told this in advance so as not to invest in a router that will only be a letdown in terms of using it as described.

If rating it just on an install experience and simply keeping its settings straight and an out-of-the-box 'this should work with my computer' via specs, I would give it 2 out of 5 stars. It has been quite horrible actually, in that the great experience did not materialize here on some older equipment and yet there was no mention of this being an issue. Netgear? Any ideas?

That said, the router does work and it does have a clean and well organized interface. The main reason the Netgear routers (3700 & 3800 now) were of interest is their ability to turn the WiFi signal on and off via push button. This and other functionality will make it a useful and valuable tool for a home network. Though lacking a more refined software solution is disappointing, and it will be difficult to look beyond this because the limits will be the main interface to the device, likely requiring a new PC to regain lost software functionality.

I know Netgear engineering is working to improve the Mac experience. But currently the it supports Mac 10.6 They are working to get it to support 10.5. So this may continue to be an issue for you unless you update your Mac software.

The web interface I find is 80% of what I get from the Genie sw on a pc. So you will need to make the call.

Regarding naming devices I havent found a way. I just changed the pictures the reflect what type of device it s is and that helps. But agree editing names would be nice.

Bob
post #141 of 349
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post

I am also in the UK and have been waiting for the 3800.

What I would like to know is what difference is there that usually warrants a dedicated model for the UK and why is there not going to be a UKS model of the 3800?

The difference is the power plug for the UK and there were some distribution issues. So but the WNDR3800-100pes and get a plug adapter.

Bob
post #142 of 349
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Originally Posted by jessenj View Post

I have successfully flashed the V1.0.0.18 firmware for the WNDR3800 on my WNDR3700V2 since they are the same hardware, just a rebranded and modified case. My router has been running rock solid since I initially flashed from V1.0.0.16 and the upgrade has gone perfectly smoothly. If you do a google search for wndr3700v2 V1.0.0.16 there are a number of articles on DD-WRT showing how to do this pretty simply. Best part was, the upgrade from WNDR3700V2 firmware to WNDR3800 V1.0.0.16 kept my router settings and I was up and running in minutes.

Good luck to all.

Guys let me clear on this reflashing of 3800 firmware on a 3700. Yes it will look like a 3800 ui. But it is not the same hardware. The 3800 has twice the memory, has Clear Channel and other hardware enhancements.

The .16 firmware is also buggy so based on what you are doing things may work fine and then again maybe not. To me this type of thing is not worth th hassle to try and upgrade to a completely different firmware.

In fact I had a 64mb 3800 which I based my review on. And it is not compatible with the .16 and .18 firmware. I had to get a shipping unit to finally get everything going as I needed with the .18 firmware.

So be warned. I love hacks but not with an infrastructure piece such as this.

Bob
post #143 of 349
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Originally Posted by cstmstyle View Post

Anyone else having issues with the 3800 dropping devices from the LAN. I have experienced this problem twice now. Once with my android phone not being able to connect to the wireless and now it appears my Unraid box has been disconnected. Last time I thought a bad cable was an issue but now I think this router maybe a bit buggy. Never had an issue with the Asus and now that the 3800 took its place weird issues keep cropping up.

I have not ad any devices drop off. And I ave an unraid server too. In fact I avert even rebooted the unraid through multiple router swaps, firmware upgrades and power cycles

If you continue to have issues you may want to get the router replaced. Could be a faulty unit.

But before that check this. Check your dhcp settings. Do you use and fixed ip addresses. If so is your dhcp range right? Then I would reboot all the devices, router, modem, computers etc to be sure your have no ip conflicts. If that doesn't help then have your reseller replace the unit.

Bob
post #144 of 349
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Originally Posted by Norm View Post

Hi Bob

You have seen the recent posts about availability of the WNDR3800 in the UK where basically, after repeated assurances that it would be available by last week, no dates are now being given at all. Are you able to find out what is happening, please? This is getting increasingly frustrating.

The resellers have been slow to update product info. There will be no UK product. You will need to buy the euro version WNDR3800-100pes. And you will need to get a plug adapter.

Regardless of what the UK resellers say that is the case.

Bob
post #145 of 349
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post

The difference is the power plug for the UK and there were some distribution issues. So but the WNDR3800-100pes and get a plug adapter.

Bob

Thanks Bob. Is this going to be a common thing with future Netgear products?
post #146 of 349
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Originally Posted by carsc9999 View Post

Bob,

...Netgear WNDR 4500. I have found very little info on this router. The question was asked before, but I did not see a reply. Would you please explain the difference in the 3800 and the 4500?

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Originally Posted by carsc9999 View Post

Fry's in Arlington, TX now has the 3800. Interesting though, they also have the newest of the new Netgear WNDR4500. It is not on their website but I held one today. Ended up going with the 3800. Listed at 149.99 vs the 4500 at 179.99. 4500 may be a bit faster and has 2 USB ports. Also billed as having greater range. However, there is no mention of the Ready Share Cloud or Clear Channel. I find it a bit strange that the 4500, as of today, isn't on Netgear's website and there is very little info the web about it.

Did I answer my own question? Still not seeing much info on the 4500 or answers to how it compares to the 3800.
post #147 of 349
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post

Buy the 100pes model. It is the euro version but you will need a plug adapter.

Bob


Even the 100pes is nowhere to be found in the UK, any websites that have the 3800(pes or uks) have it listed as out of stock, I've contacted them all and they all say its out of stock and won't be getting it back in at all.

I want to get hold of one and it's impossible to hold of the 3800 in the UK
post #148 of 349
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post

Thanks Bob. Is this going to be a common thing with future Netgear products?

I think in the case of the 3800 is unique. Not sure of all the reasons why the UK model was killed but I wouldnt expect to be the norm.

Bob
post #149 of 349
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Originally Posted by carsc9999 View Post

Did I answer my own question? Still not seeing much info on the 4500 or answers to how it compares to the 3800.

Good choice on the 3800 IMHO. I will be allowed to comment on the 4500 tomorrow.

Bob
post #150 of 349
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Originally Posted by Joewalls123 View Post

Even the 100pes is nowhere to be found in the UK, any websites that have the 3800(pes or uks) have it listed as out of stock, I've contacted them all and they all say its out of stock and won't be getting it back in at all.

I want to get hold of one and it's impossible to hold of the 3800 in the UK

Well I've just ordered from this German company. Total cost paying by Paypal was 126.40 and with Paypal's exchange rate that came to £111.70. Just had confirmation they will be shipping it tomorrow! So, hopefully a result!
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