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post #1 of 56
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Hey guys! First time here in the "audio" department.

Been a videophile for years and now finally getting started in the audio department. Pretty soon (in 2-3 months time) I'll be building our family's home theater section. We haven't really set in stone how big the home theater is but given the remaining area I'm guessing it will be something like 5 x 5.

My budget for speakers is $1,000 flat. Anything more will get me killed by my dad. So question is, I've seen this Bose floating around Amazon at 999. Will it be enough for the 5 x 5 room?

And if there are owners of the equipment, kindly chip in please!
post #2 of 56
Your money will be better spent elsewhere. For less than half the price of the Bose option currently at Amazon you can get the Onkyo HT-S5400 7.1 that will have superior audio performance and flexibility. You do not necessarily have to run it with all 7 speakers, 5.1 should work just fine.

There are plenty of other similar options from various companies that would serve you well also. Now you can save that extra cash for later or on something else.

Best Regards
KvE
post #3 of 56
As you will soon read, steer away from Bose AM systems. Your $1000 can be applied to better speakers. Especially in a 5x5 room (closet?).
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post #5 of 56
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

As you will soon read, steer away from Bose AM systems. Your $1000 can be applied to better speakers. Especially in a 5x5 room (closet?).

True, it was intended to be a closet. But I figured it would be a good home theater room, albeit a small one. That way we can use our bedrooms as exclusively bedrooms. Maybe we can stretch it up to 8m x 6m the most.

Question with the ONKYO. It's a HTIB right? Will it be better than Bose + Receiver? Also... I'm upgrading from a Samsung HTIB. Will it be better than my former 3-year-old Samsung HTIB? They said that separate receiver is the way to go nowadays.
post #6 of 56
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

Look at the Martin Logan
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...WD0MTZ1XCAXJQM

This one looks good... kinda looks like my current system but it's 50% cheaper than Acoustimass.
post #7 of 56
5x5 or 6x8, IMO use your existing HTiB. Once you add a TV and a chair, you'd be lucky to have enough room for headphones.
post #8 of 56
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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

5x5 or 6x8, IMO use your existing HTiB. Once you add a TV and a chair, you'd be lucky to have enough room for headphones.

If he is talking meters, which I think he is that room is not all that small. 15ft x 15ft or 18ft x 24ft are really not that small. If it was 5ft x 5ft or 6ft x 8ft I would totally agree though.
post #9 of 56
Are you talking Metres or Feet?

And yes, do not get the Bose system. There are lots of great speaker packages out there for smaller rooms that will cost half as much and sound twice as good.

Something like the Jamo A340PDD3 http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search

or Energy RC Micro system http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search

would serve you well if looking for a smaller system that will be wall mounted and out of the way.
post #10 of 56
Heck, if he is planning on spending 1K, he could go with this.

speakers - http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...i_src=14110944

receiver - http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html

sub - http://www.overstock.com/Electronics...tml?cid=123620

That is just under 1K and will sound 10X better that the Bose setup. It may be overkill, but leaves a lot of room to grow in the future.
post #11 of 56
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

This one looks good... kinda looks like my current system but it's 50% cheaper than Acoustimass.

The Bose and Samsung, can not compete with the Martin Logan
post #12 of 56
While Bose gets bashed a lot on this forum, the Acoustimass is really the really the lowest of Bose product (okay, tied with the 321 system- haven't heard the lifestyle system).
Any Bose "cube" system is going to be lacking in response at several different frequencies (really, not just Bose, but most any system with 2 or 2 1/2 inch drivers) and the Bose Bass module isn't a true subwoofer, so it won't produce the low end of the bass spectrum.
As pointed out, for the type of money you are talking, you can get Jamo, Energy, ML, Polk or any number of really good speakers, an AVR and a decent sub! Get speakers with at least a 4 inch driver/woofer and a tweeter...
post #13 of 56
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

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As pointed out, for the type of money you are talking, you can get Jamo, Energy, ML, Polk or any number of really good speakers, an AVR and a decent sub! Get speakers with at least a 4 inch driver/woofer and a tweeter...

While I wholeheartedly agree with your comments, I'm wondering if there is need for 4" drivers in the center chanel. I thought most dialog came through the center channel and that smaller drivers could handle those frequencies.
My case is a bit unique, I have to "build-in" my center channel and I only have 3" in height. It's a long story but it's part of a fireplace/TV and that's the allocated space.
The Energy center channel comes close, but at 3.5" it doesn't cut it. I need to find a 3" high center that matches acoustically with something like the ML's or Energy units.
post #14 of 56
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Originally Posted by Smigro View Post

If he is talking meters, which I think he is that room is not all that small. 15ft x 15ft or 18ft x 24ft are really not that small. If it was 5ft x 5ft or 6ft x 8ft I would totally agree though.

Based on his repsonse I'd assume it's "feet". If it's meters, then that's a big closet any woman would love!

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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

True, it was intended to be a closet. But I figured it would be a good home theater room, albeit a small one.
post #15 of 56
If you room is really 5 x 5 FEET, you could pull drivers out of ear buds and be okay!
post #16 of 56
Since he said he could stretch the room to 8m x 6m I am pretty certain he meant 5m x 5m.
post #17 of 56
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Originally Posted by DeepFrz97 View Post

Since he said he could stretch the room to 8m x 6m I am pretty certain he meant 5m x 5m.

That is what I was going by, I figured it was probably supposed to be a walk in closet.
post #18 of 56
And here I thought this thread was going to be a funny take on the typical Bose bash, saying they'd make great speakers for a walk-in closet...
post #19 of 56
Thread Starter 
LOL. Sorry for the lack of clarification, I'm talking about METERS. As specified in my follow-up post in case someone missed, I may be able to stretch the room to 8m x 6m.

Originally our lay out was planned to have two walk-in closets with 4m x 3.5m dimensions.

Thanks for the suggestions all! The only problem I'll be facing is the availability of those speakers in my country (Philippines). Maybe I'll just use Amazon again.
post #20 of 56
And 8m x6m room is huge. About 26ft x 20ft. You are going to look at larger speakers than a satellite system... What brands do you have in your country besides Bose? What country are you in?
post #21 of 56
Thread Starter 
Ratman,

If you read my second post... You could see that I specified it's meters. I hope this clarifies it, and I'm thinking that I can fit in not just one headphones now. :-)

CrazyRob,

Philippines. The least the room could go is 5m x 5m. I'll now when we have a meeting with the architect but I made my own suggestion using Visio and computed the possible space.

I think I'll just order from Amazon if the suggested audio system is not available here. Mainly BOSE outlets are in our major malls so that's why many people here are buying and suggesting BOSE.

My AVR will be the Denon 1912.
post #22 of 56
Thread Starter 
Here are my choices... Please give input.

Definitive Technology ProCinema 600
http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-spe...-32903749.html

Definitive Technology ProCinema 800
http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-spe...-32944956.html

Mirage MX 5.1
http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-spe...-33270773.html

Energy Take Classic 5.1
http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-spe...ml#reviewPage1

I like Mirage because of its style, similar to Bose Acoustimass IV. Definitive Technology though looks promising, and I may be willing to go the extra hunder to get the 800 if it's the best among the choices. Thoughts?

EDIT: Good thing I posted this thread. Searched the other Bose threads and Bose is getting murdered in this town!
post #23 of 56
Get the speakers with the biggest satellite woofers, for that 5mx5m room.
Try to go with at least 4" woofers. The ProCinema 800 is a good option.
Style does not guarantee souind quality.
post #24 of 56
Thread Starter 
Question,

If I get the Energy Take 5.1... Can I buy two separate speakers (different brand) to upgrade to 7.1?
post #25 of 56
It is ironic that at the bottom of the page is an ad for Bose...
I agree on the 4 inch or greater woofers...for full range sound, size does matter!
post #26 of 56
Thread Starter 
Anyone else?

I'm leaning towards Definitive Tech and Mirage.. Upgrading to 7.1 someday is important to me, or even 6.1.
post #27 of 56
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

Anyone else?

I'm leaning towards Definitive Tech and Mirage.. Upgrading to 7.1 someday is important to me, or even 6.1.

Honestly, and I know I'll catch hell for posting this (I'm also quite certain some crusader will "enlighten" me with the intellex.us link that "absolutely proves" why Bose is faulty (and quite comically, it's the only evidence ever provided to substantiate the claim; any other brand and a single bad review would be shrugged off)), you really aren't going to have "tons" of difference between Bose, Mirage, and any other solution that relies on very small satellites and a small to medium sized subwoofer, including HTIB packages (and before the whole "it's not a subwoofer" thing starts - if we want to play that game, any other subwoofer that doesn't hit 20hz isn't a subwoofer either, and that just removed probably a solid half of the entire retail market in one pass, including probably every HTIB subwoofer yet made and most anything that will fit into the proposed budget and leave any money left for speakers). They (the satellites) will all roll-off at around 200hz-250hz, and none of them will completely replace the same effect that you'll get from a large speaker. Sure, you might get a more accurate small speaker from another manufacturer, but at the end of the day you're still wrestling with physics. Bose and Mirage are fairly up-front about that, and each attempt to compensate in their own way. Both represent compromises.

If you like the Bose equipment, buy it. It is not the best equipment ever made, but among small-satellite package systems designed to "blend" into the surrounding room, it's probably among the better options (especially within the price range), alongside Mirage, the Klipsch Quintet, and perhaps some more expensive and larger speakers from other makers.

I find it quite ironic that if it were any other brand (and it really could be any other brand), you'd just be told to get whatever suits you, but when it's Bose - there's always "some system that destroys/obliterates/annihlates/decimates/defeats/beats/bests it for half/quarter/tenth/hundredth/millionth the money in every/all/any way(s)". Simply can't be true (it just logically doesn't hold up, especially when most of the components suggested usually have similar sized drivers or similar response abilities). The point I'm trying to make is, there is no absolute best.

I'm not promoting Bose, I'm just saying that if you want to consider it as an option, there's nothing wrong there. If someone tells you it's bad or that you're supposed to think it's bad, why should that change what you do or don't like? If you test out other equipment before buying it (which you should be doing as an educated consumer, and quite ironically, Bose's marketing even encourages you to do) and find something else you like for less money or that performs better, buy that something else. That's a no-brainer. I would say the same thing about any other brand. Again, there is no absolute best (especially in your price range, which is crowded with options (that works to your advantage)).

Given that you're located in a foreign region (relative to me), and that I have no idea what availability or prices are like in your area, I cannot give you very directed advice. Some things I would suggest looking at, within your $1000 budget, include the new Pioneer speakers (you should be able to assemble a 5.1 system within $1000), the Polk Monitor series, the Klipsch Synergy, Quintet, and perhaps the lower priced Reference models, the Yamaha EF and some of the higher end/larger NS-F components (avoid the speakers that look like they belong in an HTIB and cost more than your receiver though), and any other brand that fits into that price range that is available there (Wharfedale? Monitor Audio? Axiom? Sony? Energy? Definitive? etc).

Within $1000, you should have plenty of options, and you should have no problems purchasing a pair of floor-standing speakers as your front/main L/R if you so desire. I probably wouldn't be too gung-ho about needing floor-standers, if you can purchase a quality subwoofer instead, and two or three pairs of decent bookshelves (which will get you 6.1 (which is honestly going to be very nearly the same effect as 7.1 for the majority of content (that is, 5.1)). With an all-bookshelf + subwoofer system, you should have a very nice surround sound and stereo experience, and it should be fairly easy to set-up. I'm guessing that aesthetics is a factor, since Bose and other small speakers are being considered.

I'd look around, don't settle on a single brand or solution based on a single point of data - go and play with the components you're considering when possible. Find reviews. Look up a given product online, see if you can find reasonable pros/cons. You can pretty much do as much or as little research as you want, as it very likely costs you nothing or next to nothing. We can all sit here and tell you that XYZ is the best speaker ever made, and you may go test it out, only to realize it's absolute garbage, and that we're all being paid by XYZ Inc to promote that speaker.

If you let us know what you have available, we can probably help filter your options somewhat, but ultimately it's your money, your choice, and your equipment to live with. If you're not happy, don't buy it - who cares if we're happy.
post #28 of 56
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

Question,

If I get the Energy Take 5.1... Can I buy two separate speakers (different brand) to upgrade to 7.1?

Yes you can.

Check out http://www.edesignaudio.com/htpackage.php and give them a call. Tell them your budget. SVS, HSU, CHT have packages.

Smirgo has also given a great package too.

You can look at commercial, Pro speaker systems.
post #29 of 56
I agree on one point...Two major issues with Bose statelite systems. One, like most small satellite systems, you don't get full range sound from a driver that is smaller than 4 inches. A lot of smaller systems have the same limitations! However, if you couple that lack of tweeter with no real subwoofer, well, you are missing sounds at both ends of the spectrum (as the freq responses published by Sound and Vision and Audiophile have shown).
But price!? You can get small satelite speakers that prioduce a freq response at or better than Bose for considerably less money.
If you need a small system, to appease the wife or because of space limitations, then you can get a decent system a lot cheaper than Bose.
Sound quality is subjective, so if you like the sound coming from a Bose system, go for. My buddy love Bose, but he found out recently he is tone deaf at both the very high and very low freq end of the sound spectrum...so that explains it!
post #30 of 56
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Originally Posted by walbert View Post

Honestly, and I know I'll catch hell for posting this (I'm also quite certain some crusader will "enlighten" me with the intellex.us link that "absolutely proves" why Bose is faulty (and quite comically, it's the only evidence ever provided to substantiate the claim; any other brand and a single bad review would be shrugged off)

This is due to Bose litigious nature of suing any venue of note that publishes objective measurements, revealing the gnome(troll) behind the curtain. But at least he dresses very smartly.

So your premise is a non-starter, thanks to Bose silencing any dissenters.
As others have mentioned Bose emphasizes certain frequencies that many find to be hi-fi, which is bloated 'bass' and shallow midrange.

Any reasonable quality satellite system that has a separate midrange woofer and tweeter, accompanied by a subwoofer, will outperform any Bose system at similar cost or less.

Bose and Monster are essentially the same beast, a whole lot of excessively priced bunk.

I am surprised those two companies have not yet formed an unholy union.

Best Regards
KvE
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