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post #1 of 45
Thread Starter 
OK I have a Panasonic ST30 television and the 210 Blu Ray player. I am now in the market for a decent Blu Ray burner, preferably one that can do 3D also. I have a dual core, 2.4 Ghz, 4GB RAM, 64 bit laptop running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit and I don't care if it takes me 8 hours or more to burn a disc. I am tired of downsizing to DVDs and I want a burner not just a HDD to store movies on. I have Nero 10 Platinum HD authoring software.

Anyone got any models in mind? I will take internal or external...
post #2 of 45
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

OK I have a Panasonic ST30 television and the 210 Blu Ray player. I am now in the market for a decent Blu Ray burner, preferably one that can do 3D also. I have a dual core, 2.4 Ghz, 4GB RAM, 64 bit laptop running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit and I don't care if it takes me 8 hours or more to burn a disc. I am tired of downsizing to DVDs and I want a burner not just a HDD to store movies on. I have Nero 10 Platinum HD authoring software.

Anyone got any models in mind? I will take internal or external...

I've been real happy with a Pioneer internal. It's not 3d though. Choices will be more limited with external drives.

Nero 10 doesn't support 3d burning.
post #3 of 45
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I've been real happy with a Pioneer internal. It's not 3d though. Choices will be more limited with external drives.

Nero 10 doesn't support 3d burning.

Ah, thanks for the info. What's the model # of your drive?
post #4 of 45
It's a BDR-205.
post #5 of 45
Why do you want to burn movies on to a bluray disc? Seems awfully expensive. Just get a 3 bay hard drive enclosure and fill it up with 2tb or 3tb drives and you will come out way ahead in the long run.
post #6 of 45
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Why do you want to burn movies on to a bluray disc? Seems awfully expensive. Just get a 3 bay hard drive enclosure and fill it up with 2tb or 3tb drives and you will come out way ahead in the long run.

What he said.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817576001
post #7 of 45
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

.............Just get a 3 bay hard drive enclosure and fill it up with 2tb or 3tb drives and you will come out way ahead in the long run.

In the long run you will need more than three bays and more than 3TB drives I've gone with an eSATA dock and bunch of 1 & 2 TB drives when each were at the $70 price point. When they start selling 4TB SSD drives for $70, I get some of them too. The core SATA interface is not going to change anytime soon.
post #8 of 45
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Originally Posted by mungee View Post

In the long run you will need more than three bays and more than 3TB drives I've gone with an eSATA dock and bunch of 1 & 2 TB drives when each were at the $70 price point. When they start selling 4TB SSD drives for $70, I get some of them too. The core SATA interface is not going to change anytime soon.

Of course, but I was trying to prove a point. Just think how many expensive blank bluray discs you are going to need. And optical discs don't last forever either.
post #9 of 45
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Of course, but I was trying to prove a point. Just think how many expensive blank bluray discs you are going to need. And optical discs don't last forever either.

So far I have burned 2 Blu-ray discs. One contains my entire cd collection as mp3 the other is a movie just to see if it actually works. I did the movie on a BD-RE because I may not keep it. I do not really need a Blu-ray burner but you never know.
post #10 of 45
I have had good luck with the LG burners. I have a 10x and a 12x, and both of them are the best drives I have at reading damaged discs. The write quality on them is high and the discs always play in other devices. Some of the burners I have had write discs that don't work in every player because the write quality is so poor. Samsung has been the worst for me with write quality. The LGs can also change the booktype setting (not an uncommon feature anymore but worth noting), so you can change a bd-r disc to a bd-rom disc after it is burned to make it more compatible with standalone blu ray players.
post #11 of 45
The best and most useful Blu-ray burner is Virtual CloneDrive.
post #12 of 45
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

The best and most useful Blu-ray burner is Virtual CloneDrive.

And how exactly do you do you insert a blank media and burn a disc on a virtual drive?
post #13 of 45
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

OK I have a Panasonic ST30 television and the 210 Blu Ray player. I am now in the market for a decent Blu Ray burner, preferably one that can do 3D also. I have a dual core, 2.4 Ghz, 4GB RAM, 64 bit laptop running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit and I don't care if it takes me 8 hours or more to burn a disc. I am tired of downsizing to DVDs and I want a burner not just a HDD to store movies on. I have Nero 10 Platinum HD authoring software.

Anyone got any models in mind? I will take internal or external...

I have a Panny GT25 and 210 as well. I use a Pioneer BDR-205 for my burning needs. BTW, you don't need a 3D capable drive to burn 3D discs only to read them. If you use the the 210 for playback, then there is no need for a 3D burner.
post #14 of 45
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Originally Posted by Alex solomon View Post

And how exactly do you do you insert a blank media and burn a disc on a virtual drive?

You don't. Who needs burnt discs around here anyway?
post #15 of 45
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

You don't. Who needs burnt discs around here anyway?

That was my point as well.
post #16 of 45
Afaik they only sell bdr25 at an ungodly price. I dont think ive ever seen the dual layer ones for sale and thats how it used to be with dvds back in the day. So a lot of blurays you arent even going to be able burn without compressing and overall hard drives would be way way cheaper.
post #17 of 45
Here you go. $8 per disc. Knock yourself out.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&PageSize=20
post #18 of 45
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Originally Posted by Alex solomon View Post

I have a Panny GT25 and 210 as well. I use a Pioneer BDR-205 for my burning needs. BTW, you don't need a 3D capable drive to burn 3D discs only to read them. If you use the the 210 for playback, then there is no need for a 3D burner.

You don't need one to read them either, they're no different than 2D BDs in this matter, playback of what's on them is where they're different.
post #19 of 45
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

You don't. Who needs burnt discs around here anyway?

But you did say Blu-ray burner virtual drive instead of of just a virtual drive. There is no such thing as a virtual Blu-ray burner, just a vitrual drive for read only. The OP asked for a recommendation for a Blu-ray burner not whether anyone here whats to burn a disc or not.
post #20 of 45
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Originally Posted by lovemyram4x4 View Post

You don't need one to read them either, they're no different than 2D BDs in this matter, playback of what's on them is where they're different.

You are right. I meant to say to playback not to read.
post #21 of 45
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I've been real happy with a Pioneer internal. It's not 3d though. Choices will be more limited with external drives.

Nero 10 doesn't support 3d burning.

I don't have any experience with NERO 10 but you don't need 3d support for burning. Just rip the original BD 3D disc as an ISO image and burn the ISO image to a BD 50GB disc.

To the OP, this is not the right forum for ripping and burning questions. A lot of better info elsewhere. Google is your friend. Over and out .
post #22 of 45
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Originally Posted by Alex solomon View Post

But you did say Blu-ray burner virtual drive instead of of just a virtual drive. There is no such thing as a virtual Blu-ray burner, just a vitrual drive for read only. The OP asked for a recommendation for a Blu-ray burner not whether anyone here whats to burn a disc or not.

The point is to stop and think about why you are needing to burn a BD. Burning discs is so early 2000's.
post #23 of 45
You can buy 50GB for $4-$5 a disc, shipped direct from Japan, on ebay.
post #24 of 45
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Originally Posted by junglalien View Post

You can buy 50GB for $4-$5 a disc, shipped direct from Japan, on ebay.

Better, but no thanks.
post #25 of 45
$70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...t-_-22-136-514

for 2tb which is probably like 1.8 tb so 1800gb which is 36 50gb discs even at $4 a disc is $144 which is over double and you cant scratch a hard drive. sure it could crash but your discs can scratch and rot too. makes no sense to burn discs. you could just get a dock or a small enclosure like what was suggested.
post #26 of 45
Man you people LOVE to thread crap. Either answer his question, or stay quiet. I'm sure the OP has already weighed the option to use a HDD. Maybe he wants to author his own BD movies. There's plenty of legitimate reasons to buy a BD burner.

For burners, you want to go with the burner with the best burn scans. Most reviewers ignore this and so in my opinion they lose credibility.

Based on the reviews I read here, with tons of burn graphs, I chose the Lite-On iHBS112.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdr206/bdr206_top.htm
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdr20...r206p2_top.htm

The S05J is basically like the BDR-205. The LiteOn iHBS212 is going to have similar write performance as the 112, since they use the same chipset. You are mostly paying for the LightScribe support.

I cannot recommend the BDR-206 at all, its results were really bad. The BDR-205 is good, but was discontinued so it's quite hard to find new. I dislike LG drives because they put in RipLock, which artificially limits read speed of copy protected discs. Yeah you can patch the firmware, but other brands you don't even have to. Lite-On drives have the added benefit of actually being able to run a burn graph scan.

I second the suggestion with DL/50GB discs for eBay from Japan. My spindles were about $4.60 for a double, half that for single layer. Look for either Mitsubishi/Verbatim or Panasonic and avoid the LTH. No drive can burn as well with those discs (they burn substantially worse), and they aren't worth the small savings they provide. Buy in multiples of 10 because then they seem to use cakeboxes, instead of just stuffing them in sleeves. I've heard claims that when they are shipped in sleeves, they don't necessarily hold up as well and subsequently don't burn as well as an identical disc that was shippped differently (in spindles).

Booktype setting is not really needed for BD media. It became helpful with written DVD blanks because the write specifications came much later than the original DVD spec, in particular of the '+' spec, so a lot of the older players couldn't read them without changing it.
(Re)writable BD media on the other hand came out at the same time as the BD read-only spec, so you don't have to worry about it really.
Some players did or still do choke on the LTH media as do some burners. But when you consider LTH was a hackish way to get existing DVD fab plants to manufacturer BD discs without doing a complete overhaul, and they don't burn as well in general, that's not so bad.
post #27 of 45
^^^ A very helpful post that addresses the OP question. I use nothing but Verbatim 96769 (media ID: VERBATIMc ) found at newegg and Amazon and use Pio BDR-205 to burn. Burned disc always checked with Liteon, all disc have perfect (100% readable) scaned surface and excellent disc quality with very low (single digit) avg. LDC ans BIS numbers. Check this site for more info. http://www.cdrlabs.com/forums/dvd-bl...recorders.html
post #28 of 45
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Originally Posted by Alex solomon View Post
^^^ A very helpful post that addresses the OP question. I use nothing but Verbatim 96769 (media ID: VERBATIMc ) found at newegg and Amazon and use Pio BDR-205 to burn. Burned disc always checked with Liteon, all disc have perfect (100% readable) scaned surface and excellent disc quality with very low (single digit) avg. LDC ans BIS numbers. Check this site for more info. http://www.cdrlabs.com/forums/dvd-bl...recorders.html
Ah come on, seriously? Only $2 a disc for the 25GB Verbatim, and the better non-LTH? That's more than I paid to import them from Japan. Prices definitely dropped on those domestically and I guess recently as I thought Amazon wanted more when I ordered mine about 45-60 days ago.. While the Panasonic discs are usually slightly better they cost way more. Dual-layer discs are still way cheaper imported. Luckily I only paid an extra quarter for 20 of them.
Thanks for the cred. Definitely added value with recommending a reasonable price for good single-layer BD discs domestically

I'm pretty sure you had to transcode to drop down to DVD since 1080p is not really a standard there and they don't really store that much @1080p, plus that takes HOURS. You may want to consider remuxing a disc that came on dual-layer, as the main feature in my experience is very rarely ever over 25GB. tsMuxer is a good option (free). It is also considerably faster than transcoding since it's really only disc-speed limited (either HDD or BD), whereas transcoding is very processor intensive.. It beats paying more than 2x the cost for the dual-layer discs.
post #29 of 45
Why do people have such a narrow view of things? So your system works great for you, that's wonderful. I myself use Virtual Clone Drive and it works wonderfully for me, but why can't you see that people have other needs?

Backing up pictures and videos, home made videos to share, BR movies for locations in the house that doesn't have an HTPC, copies for toddlers so they don't ruin the original, copies to family members who don't want to use an HTPC (i.e. parents...)...so many other reasons.

Onto the question at hand...

I've used an LGWH12LS30, Lite-On 8x (don't know model #), and Pioneer BDR206. By far the Pioneer produced the most consistent discs that were playable on all the BR players throughout the house. All 3 produced discs that were of course playable on both my HTPCs.

Also, go here for inexpensive media (as low as $.99/disc)

http://www.supermediastore.com/categ...sc-discs-media
post #30 of 45
Because maybe some people don't realize that you don't have to burn a bluray to be able to watch it.

Called it thread crapping if you want. I call it educating.
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