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post #481 of 733
Garbage in, garbage out. I doubt you'd see much difference between upscaling good SD content to the LaserVue vs. to an immensely expensive 4K2K display. As owners here know, the LaserVue has an excellent video processor. Bad SD content (i.e., Internet video, which doesn't even rise to the level of SD in most cases) will still look horrible on a 4K2K screen. Then there is the question of how much detail the human eye can actually resolve. Remember, theaters use 4K2K because they are trying to fill a 50' or 75' screen. In your living room, I'm not convinced that such hyperrealism would even be a plus.
post #482 of 733
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Originally Posted by GEP View Post

The DLP 4K chips for cinema would be way to expensive for use in the home.

Not really. The tech itself is old. An actual 8.8 million mirrored DLP chip would be quite feesable by todays CPU/GPU manufacturing. Take Nvidia's GK104 chip which was suppose to be the 660 Ti graphics card at a price of $349. Nvidia saw that this mid range chip could beat or tie AMD's top of the line and moved it to GTX680 and priced it at the $499 segment and put their real top end on delay GK110.

These chips and the point I am leading to are made of 3.54 BILLION transistors on a 28nm fab. They are more complicated in the processes of 3D image building and Physics processing than a DLP CHip that currently from all I can tell is/was made on a 65nm process.

So actually, if Ti could use or buy into even a 32nm process which is developed fully, it could make inexpensive 4K2K chips for home readily available. Not to mention and ACTUAL 8.8 Million Mirrored chip WITHOUT WOBULATION. Talking TRUE 4K2K RPTV.

The tech IS here. Now whether they release it or not is another question. But really with Intel themselves moving to 22nm full production this year, there is no reason not to have progressed DLP more than Ti has. With nm process as low as it has gone over the years, Wobulation should be a thing of the past, period.
post #483 of 733
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Originally Posted by DRaven72 View Post

Not really. The tech itself is old. An actual 8.8 million mirrored DLP chip would be quite feesable by todays CPU/GPU manufacturing. Take Nvidia's GK104 chip which was suppose to be the 660 Ti graphics card at a price of $349. Nvidia saw that this mid range chip could beat or tie AMD's top of the line and moved it to GTX680 and priced it at the $499 segment and put their real top end on delay GK110.

These chips and the point I am leading to are made of 3.54 BILLION transistors on a 28nm fab. They are more complicated in the processes of 3D image building and Physics processing than a DLP CHip that currently from all I can tell is/was made on a 65nm process.

So actually, if Ti could use or buy into even a 32nm process which is developed fully, it could make inexpensive 4K2K chips for home readily available. Not to mention and ACTUAL 8.8 Million Mirrored chip WITHOUT WOBULATION. Talking TRUE 4K2K RPTV.

The tech IS here. Now whether they release it or not is another question. But really with Intel themselves moving to 22nm full production this year, there is no reason not to have progressed DLP more than Ti has. With nm process as low as it has gone over the years, Wobulation should be a thing of the past, period.

One minor difference: those graphics chips don't have moving parts on them like DLP chips do. We know that DLP chips that don't require wobulation have been available for a while on front projectors, but I'm not entirely convinced that just because the 32nm process exists means that denser DLP chips (more pixels in the same physical chip size) would be as simple an undertaking as you're suggesting.
post #484 of 733
If they could make a profit at it, they would be doing it.
post #485 of 733
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Originally Posted by Augerhandle View Post

If they could make a profit at it, they would be doing it.

What do they need profits for?
post #486 of 733
To fund the next great idea, of course.
post #487 of 733
I'm considering buying the A94, but I'm also considering;

TC-P65VT50
60lm9600 or 65lm9600
LC-70LE845U
UN65D8000X

What do you guys think? I currently have a HL67A750.

Thanks
post #488 of 733
I have had my Laservuew for about 2 mos now and love it. However as summer comes I'm getting tiny bugs inside the tv which streak across the screen and jump around.
Very annoying. Had this problem on my 73838 and had to tape screening on all the vents. Any one else had this problem? There are allot of vents onb the laservue and these bugs are so tiny.
post #489 of 733
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Originally Posted by cshaws View Post

I have had my Laservuew for about 2 mos now and love it. However as summer comes I'm getting tiny bugs inside the tv which streak across the screen and jump around.
Very annoying. Had this problem on my 73838 and had to tape screening on all the vents. Any one else had this problem? There are allot of vents onb the laservue and these bugs are so tiny.

Call Orkin or Terminix.
post #490 of 733
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Originally Posted by flyguyjake View Post

I'm considering buying the A94, but I'm also considering;

TC-P65VT50
60lm9600 or 65lm9600
LC-70LE845U
UN65D8000X

What do you guys think? I currently have a HL67A750.

Thanks

Hey there. Just my two cents. I currently own a Samsung UN65D8000 and am in the process of returning it for a full refund from Samsung. This is my third 65D8000 and the picture issues are widespread. Clouding, Flashlighting, Ghosting and Crosstalk. When I spoke with numerous Customer Service Agents with Samsung, I finally talked with a guy who knew what he was talking about. He admitted that there is a known issue with every 65D8000. I'm just telling you this to keep you from making the same mistake I did. The Samsung ES8000 is currently available and from what I've seen, it has great picture quality, as well as the best 3d picture I've seen yet. However, the biggest size currently available in the ES8000 is 60" I've heard the 65" will be available around the first week of July.

I'm sure the panasonic will have great pic quality but I'm just not a fan of plasmas. I've heard good stuff about the Sharp you mentioned and it's even available in an 80" if your room and wallet are big enough From what CNET has said about the LG, stay far away from it. Picture quality does not match the premium price you're paying for the TV.

I'm kind of in the same boat as you right now and I'm seeing some good pricing come up on the Mits A-94 LaserVue. Good Luck!
post #491 of 733
Just picked this tv up from Fry's at a killer deal. All I can say is wow! Watching Avatar right now and my jaw is somewhere on the floor. Compared to my 50" Panasonic Viera TCP50G10 what a difference!!!!

I've been wanting this TV for a while but at normal prices I just couldn't justify it. But happened into Fry's the other day and they were, for whatever reason, practically giving the thing away. Couldn't help myself!
post #492 of 733
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Originally Posted by KingLou View Post

Just picked this tv up from Fry's at a killer deal. All I can say is wow! Watching Avatar right now and my jaw is somewhere on the floor. Compared to my 50" Panasonic Viera TCP50G10 what a difference!!!!

I've been wanting this TV for a while but at normal prices I just couldn't justify it. But happened into Fry's the other day and they were, for whatever reason, practically giving the thing away. Couldn't help myself!

Fry's sells the Laservues? I've never seen them FOR SALE at their stores only the conventional WD series.

Did you have to ask for pricing/special order, or was this stock on hand/demo? thnx
post #493 of 733
They had one in stock that they sold already....just waiting for the customer to pick it up. They sold me the display model and knocked another $100 off.

Ive been getting a few PMs about what the price was. I almost didn't believe I was seeing it right myself so I took a picture of the sale tag. If anyone has a Fry's close by or any store that sells them and does price matching and wants me to send them that pic feel free to PM me your email address and I'll send it your way.
post #494 of 733
I just spent a half hour of "quality time" with the Mits 92-in and LaserVue at Fry's. I finally got the set to myself so I could set it up reasonably and watch a blu-ray without the sales droid hovering over me. My initial impression is that I could not live with either of these sets, which makes me very sad.

I really want a DLP set. I think the LCD sets look "videotaped" with their 120 and 240 Hz processing. I know the DLP tech and trust it, and I'm really excited about the laser light source.

This set would replace my aging (but still excellent) Pioneer PRO-510HD set. But I was reminded as I watched the new DLP sets that my Pioneer also came with a reflective screen. In the case of the Pioneer set, the reflective screen was just a protective cover, so I immediately removed it and banished it to the garage.

I really wanted to fall in love with these sets. But all I could see were the reflections of the light fixtures in the screen. Heck, I could even see the reflection of other TVs in the screen as I tried to watch my movie. It was just too distracting for words.

If Mits comes up with a new LaserVue that has a non-reflective screen, I'll be on it in a heartbeat! But since my old Pioneer isn't dead yet, I'll keep my powder dry and wait for something better to come along.

For those who have this set and love it, I am not denigrating your choice. Everybody's lighting and viewing situation is different and what doesn't work for me may well work for most people. I'm just stinging from the disappointment of having my wallet all primed to get lighter and coming home empty handed!
post #495 of 733
I ordered the A94 yesterday. I finally got to see one in a controlled light situation. I think this will be a worthy replacement for my 70" XBR2. Now I'm just holding my breath that shipping goes well. I thought it was interesting that I received a Samsung BD-E5900 as part of a discounted 5 year extended warranty. Can't wait to get it set up and calibrated. The Sony has a combo of yellow and green stain going now. All shows are now the Matrix.
post #496 of 733
Question, does the current L75-A94 support true 120hz with de-juddering, or is it sub 120hz frame rate? After reading the description of the new L75-A96, it sounds like it will support true 120hz this time. Or maybe the 94 and 96 will have the same motion handling. Any thoughts?
post #497 of 733
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Question, does the current L75-A94 support true 120hz with de-juddering, or is it sub 120hz frame rate? After reading the description of the new L75-A96, it sounds like it will support true 120hz this time. Or maybe the 94 and 96 will have the same motion handling. Any thoughts?

There very well might be "more than one way to skin a cat". Or Mitsubsihi may have found a way to dejudder film and still combine it with the 120Hz sub frame rate. However if it is expensive, then would make sense that is is reserved for the LaserVue only.
post #498 of 733
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Originally Posted by GEP View Post

There very well might be "more than one way to skin a cat". Or Mitsubsihi may have found a way to dejudder film and still combine it with the 120Hz sub frame rate. However if it is expensive, then would make sense that is is reserved for the LaserVue only.

I guess what I'm really curious about is whether or not the Laservue handles motion better than the 840 and 740 series and also if it handles 3d any better? I've read a few different comments that the 3d on the 840 series isn't up to par with some of the better led's and plasmas. Are you pretty much just paying for a laser light that doesn't require you to replace a bulb later or is there more to it than that? Thanks
post #499 of 733
There is a setting called "smooth 120" on the A94 which is actually 2 settings...which I believe are "motion blur" and "dejudder".....something like that. Anyway...cranked all the way up it's elimination of motion blur is supernatural. Too much for my tastes. Almost made me nauseous watching like that.....just something too "unusual" about it. Set at just above the halfway point though, it has that "wow" factor and I like it.
post #500 of 733
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Originally Posted by KingLou View Post

There is a setting called "smooth 120" on the A94 which is actually 2 settings...which I believe are "motion blur" and "dejudder".....something like that. Anyway...cranked all the way up it's elimination of motion blur is supernatural. Too much for my tastes. Almost made me nauseous watching like that.....just something too "unusual" about it. Set at just above the halfway point though, it has that "wow" factor and I like it.

Thanks for the info. I owned the 838 Mits DLP from 2010 and didn't notice any difference when the Smooth Motion Enhancer was either enabled or disabled. It didn't give me the smooth almost soap opera like camera effect that LED's or LCD tv's give. I actually prefer that and was just curious if the Laservue can hande motion like LED's can. Sounds like it can
post #501 of 733
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Thanks for the info. I owned the 838 Mits DLP from 2010 and didn't notice any difference when the Smooth Motion Enhancer was either enabled or disabled. It didn't give me the smooth almost soap opera like camera effect that LED's or LCD tv's give. I actually prefer that and was just curious if the Laservue can hande motion like LED's can. Sounds like it can

The soap opera affect is not caused by motion blur reduction because it is the reduction of flim judder that cause the affect. Motion Blur and Film Judder are two separate issues. The 838 had motion blur reduction but not Film Judder reduction.

Motion blur is the blurring (NOT STUTTERING) of images in motion across the screen. On older LCD this happens regardless of the source material or the frame rate of the source material. It happens much less on DLP but potential is there.

Judder is the stuttering effect on images you see in camera pans across or up and down when the original material is 24 fps film but shown a 60 fps.

The two issues are different and media and others have done a dis-service when they treat these as the same issue with the same solution.
post #502 of 733
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Originally Posted by GEP View Post

The soap opera affect is not caused by motion blur reduction because it is the reduction of flim judder that cause the affect. Motion Blur and Film Judder are two separate issues. The 838 had motion blur reduction but not Film Judder reduction.

Motion blur is the blurring (NOT STUTTERING) of images in motion across the screen. On older LCD this happens regardless of the source material or the frame rate of the source material. It happens much less on DLP but potential is there.

Judder is the stuttering effect on images you see in camera pans across or up and down when the original material is 24 fps film but shown a 60 fps.

The two issues are different and media and others have done a dis-service when they treat these as the same issue with the same solution.

So will the new 842 Series decrease de judder along with motion blur or just motion blur like the 840 from last year or will it only be in the laser vue model?
post #503 of 733
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

So will the new 842 Series decrease de judder along with motion blur or just motion blur like the 840 from last year or will it only be in the laser vue model?

NO.

The feature you describe is only in the LasrVue, it is called "Smooth 120 Film Motion".

The 840 adn 842 do not have de judder, Mitsubishi has never had de judder in lamp based models. They have had "Smooth 120" which is motion blur reduction NOT de dudder.
post #504 of 733
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Originally Posted by GEP View Post


NO.

The feature you describe is only in the LasrVue, it is called "Smooth 120 Film Motion".

The 840 adn 842 do not have de judder, Mitsubishi has never had de judder in lamp based models. They have had "Smooth 120" which is motion blur reduction NOT de dudder.

Thanks for clearing that up
post #505 of 733
Hey guys, i'm considering either this or an 55 inch HX929, and was curious to know how much heat the A94 generates (I live in Florida and am very heat sensitive).

I currently have a 46inch xbr8 that can get pretty toasty, and i don't want to go much hotter than that. I'm assuming, given its size, that the A94 would be far hotter. Can anyone comment on this?

Many thanks.
post #506 of 733
Almost no heat at all.
post #507 of 733
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Originally Posted by tritorch View Post

Hey guys, i'm considering either this or an 55 inch HX929, and was curious to know how much heat the A94 generates (I live in Florida and am very heat sensitive).

I currently have a 46inch xbr8 that can get pretty toasty, and i don't want to go much hotter than that. I'm assuming, given its size, that the A94 would be far hotter. Can anyone comment on this?

Many thanks.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I saw that you have an xbr8. I've been through alot of tv's and I have to say, nothing has matched my xbr8 in pic quality. It was a sad sad day when mine crapped out.

I'm currently in the process myself of looking for a new tv and I've considered both of these also. After viewing the hx929 in frys, I can't say that I was all that impressed with it. I wish I could see the Laservue in person. Now that Sony has their locked in prices, I don't know that I would go with the 55" for that price. Especially when you can get what everyone considers the best tv on the market right now for even cheaper and it's 10" bigger. The Panasonic 65VT50. You might check that one out and see what you think.

Good luck in your search
post #508 of 733
I was searching around to find anymore information on the new Laservue L75-A96 and stumbled across this website. Not really any info but some nice looking pics.

http://www.mevsadealers.com/library_2013.php?p=L75-A96

Enjoy!
post #509 of 733
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Originally Posted by KingLou View Post

Almost no heat at all.

Thanks KingLou, that's good to hear. That takes me one step closer to choosing the A94. About the only thing holding me back at this point are the reflections, which look pretty over-powering from what i've seen looking at some of the pictures in this thread. What's your take on them; or are you in a completely light controlled environment?



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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Sorry, couldn't resist. I saw that you have an xbr8. I've been through alot of tv's and I have to say, nothing has matched my xbr8 in pic quality. It was a sad sad day when mine crapped out.

I'm currently in the process myself of looking for a new tv and I've considered both of these also. After viewing the hx929 in frys, I can't say that I was all that impressed with it. I wish I could see the Laservue in person. Now that Sony has their locked in prices, I don't know that I would go with the 55" for that price. Especially when you can get what everyone considers the best tv on the market right now for even cheaper and it's 10" bigger. The Panasonic 65VT50. You might check that one out and see what you think.

Good luck in your search


JewDaddy: I appreciate the suggestion, and i've no doubt that the VT50 is an excellent choice. My main with going plasma is the heat they generate, my second is their brightness level which is probably not ideal for my relatively bright living room.

As for the XBR8, i'm with you on the picture. Had i purchased the 52inch version back in the day i probably wouldn't be tv shopping now.
post #510 of 733
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Originally Posted by DRaven72 View Post

Not really. The tech itself is old. An actual 8.8 million mirrored DLP chip would be quite feesable by todays CPU/GPU manufacturing. Take Nvidia's GK104 chip which was suppose to be the 660 Ti graphics card at a price of $349. Nvidia saw that this mid range chip could beat or tie AMD's top of the line and moved it to GTX680 and priced it at the $499 segment and put their real top end on delay GK110.

These chips and the point I am leading to are made of 3.54 BILLION transistors on a 28nm fab. They are more complicated in the processes of 3D image building and Physics processing than a DLP CHip that currently from all I can tell is/was made on a 65nm process.

So actually, if Ti could use or buy into even a 32nm process which is developed fully, it could make inexpensive 4K2K chips for home readily available. Not to mention and ACTUAL 8.8 Million Mirrored chip WITHOUT WOBULATION. Talking TRUE 4K2K RPTV.

The tech IS here. Now whether they release it or not is another question. But really with Intel themselves moving to 22nm full production this year, there is no reason not to have progressed DLP more than Ti has. With nm process as low as it has gone over the years, Wobulation should be a thing of the past, period.

I did a little reverse lookup by looking at the manufacturers out there producing 4K2K screens and this appears to be the latest sizes of 4K2K screens. SHARP is doing a few on their own, probably labeled as a 32" & 60+" sizes, then other suppliers providing retailers with, what look's like 55" models.

So it appears 55"-65" 4K2K size will be hitting the markets soon. The 60" Sharp looks like the choice with build(WLED) and contrast.

search for panelook

Panel Model Brand Size Type Resolution cd/m2 C/R Backlight Sup. Stocks RFQs
LQ315D1LG91 SHARP 31.5" Panel 3840×2160 450 1000:1 WLED
LK601R3LA19 SHARP 60.0" Panel 3840×2160 450 5000:1 WLED
LK636R3LA19 SHARP 63.6" Panel 4096×2160 350 1500:1 CCFL
LK636R3LZ1x SHARP 63.6" Panel 4096×2160 350 1300:1 CCFL

V562D1-P01 Chimei Innolux 56.2" CELL 3840×2160 0 1500:1 No B/L
V562D1-L04 Chimei Innolux 56.2" Panel 3840×2160 450 1500:1 CCFL
V562D1-L03 Chimei Innolux 56.2" Panel 3840×2160 450 1200:1 CCFL
V562D1-L02 Chimei Innolux 56.2" Panel 3840×2160 500 1200:1 CCFL
V562D1-L01 Chimei Innolux 56.2" Panel 3840×2160 450 1200:1 CCFL
R300M1-L01 Chimei Innolux 30.0" Panel 4096×2560 1200 1000:1
R278D1 Chimei Innolux 27.8" Panel 3840×2160 600 800:1
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