Official Sony VPL-HW30(A)ES Owners Thread - Page 45

Depending on which screen you will get that. I ended up installing my Electric 3D screen because my Vutec Silver Star was having some of the same effect.

Some time back I posted a photo of what I was seeing on my screen through my 3D glasses when projecting a white background (red/green coloration). I ended up reviewing a number of screen samples (thanks Mark) and have a new SI Solar HD screen on order. What I discovered was a correlation between the 'polarization retention' number given in Ron Jones' 3D projector screen thread in the 3D Displays forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post19690454 and the red/green 3D color distortion, with the screen materials with the highest retention showing more of the color distortion and those with low/no polarization retention showing less of an effect.

Two samples that didn't show any red/green coloration in 3D for me were the SI Solar HD and the Da-lite High Power 2.4, but I have a ceiling-mounted projector and as a result went for the Solar HD. I'm no expert on this stuff and I still don't understand the optics behind what is happening or whether there's something peculiar about my particular setup. I am using some horizontal lens shift and wonder if that has anything to do with it.

I don't know. The new card is not working near as good as my old 8600GTS. I takes longer to open up video files and dropped from 6.5 to 2.9 on the Experience subscore for the video card.

Something is still not right.

Edit: Could it be slower due to the HDMI running through my Onkyo AVR? The old card was directly hooked up to the projector. I plan on checking this evening.

zombie10k


The start at chapter 3 and the snake scene ( between chapter 6 and 7 ) is very good for demo some impressive 3D effects.

BTW I need to get my hands on some monster vision 3D glasses - but hard to get here


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The display path shouldn't affect the performance rating in windows 7, I think my ASUS GT430 is over a 6 if I recall. What drivers are you running, the latest from their site, or the out of the box disk?

if you continue to have issues, perhaps consider returning it and pick up the ASUS. The fans are relatively quiet. I wonder if yours is heating up too much causing the GPU to throttle down.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121397

I have the latest 8/2011 drivers installed from Nvidia's website.

There is an Asus utility that show the temps so may try using it. I would not think it would be a temp issue, being it starts this way. I have 3 fans in a huge (very empty) tower cabinet.

Does anyone else notice focus changes depending on either how long the projector has been on or the temperature? I've just noticed that I've had to change te focus a couple times already when first turning the projector on. Is this normal? Should I just be waiting a few minutes before focussing?

I decided to send the card back to Amazon. The card above is out of stock. How can I tell how noisy a fan will be on a video card?

amazon has them in stock as well. Hurry, you have 1 hr 37 mins to have it sent overnight.

http://www.amazon.com/GeForce-128-bi...9061118&sr=8-1

I am picky about fan noise and imo, the ASUS fan is quiet for an HTPC. It's not a screamer like my 8800GT.

What are some good choices for ceiling mounts for this projector?

That's good to know. I have a Dalite 2.8 now and when I upgrade to a larger screen soon I'll be getting a Dalite 2.4 HP screen.

It is ordered - thanks for the heads up!!!

Hello zombie10k,

As I said in my last PM, I saw that you was requesting HW30ES 3D sync plug pinout to link this output to your MonsterVision 3D glasses RF dongle.

I've been studying the VW90ES Service Manual in here : http://www.blanca.com/HT/VW90service.pdf an finally found the information.
In the schematics diagram of the main board of the PJ named QA(2/3) in top of the page #107), I've been able to catch the required informations.

There is three main 3D signals that are been used by Sony to drive the external TMR-PJ1 IR 3D glasses emitter :

• "EMIT_DET" input is pulled-up internally to +3.3V by R1155. It is used to tell the projector if the TMR-PJ1 is connected to the RJ45 plug. This signal is connected at RJ 45 pin#3.

• "EMIT_SYNC" is the well known L/R 3D Sync signal (the one used in the 3D Stereo VESA connector). This signal is connected at RJ 45 pin#4.

• "EMIT_STR" (for "Emiter Signal Strenght") is a Sony specific signal to be able to change the brightness of the internal or external 3D sync IR LEDs (to increase the range of 3D IR signal). This signal is connected at RJ 45 pin#6

• In this RJ45 socket plug there is also two pins (#1 and #2) that are providing +12VDC power to the external IR blaster (TMR-PJ1). The Ground return are on pin#7/8

You can have a look on the complete pinout of this RJ45 socket in the middle of page #149 (connector reference CN1101).

So here is the cable diagram to convert Sony RJ45 3D port to the MonsterVision MAX 3D glasses RF dongle



SONY (RJ45) to MonsterVision MAX 3D jack 3.5mm TRRS :
Here is the RJ45 pining :

- Pin#3 of the RJ45 must be connected to the Ground (Pin#7/8 of the RJ45)

- Pin#7/8 of the RJ45 to the Pin A of the TRRS jack (Sleeve)

- "EMIT_SYNC" signal (pin#4 of the RJ45) must be linked to the signal "STEREO SYNC (L/R)" Pin C of TRRS jack (first ring)



It is also mandatory that you may be able to power the MV dongle using Sony's projector +12VDC power output (Pin#1/2 of the RJ45) to the pin B of the TRRS jack (second ring) HOWEVER, you have to add a linear regulator (i.e. LM7805) in serial to convert the 12VDC voltage to 5VDC power accepted by MV dongle

That's it, it should work nice for VW30ES, for VW90ES and for VW95ES

Let me know if this help you a bit

John

[EDIT]
This adaptor cable for MV (and maybe Optoma) RF emitter dongle is interresting for four main reasons :

- Removing the remaining L/R ghosting that is to be seen through original Sony glasses

- A better reliability of the RF link with the glasses than using IR (no more loss of sync to be seen).

- The complete 3D sync signal IR removal for glasses that is often generating issues with others IR commands from remotes that drives HT gears (i.e Oppo with Samsung gglasses IR signal)

- The ability to use the cheaper-than-MV solution : Optoma RF glasses (that lack of IR spy receiver). To be confirmed.

It is mandatory that on the VW90/95ES projectors (it's due to their HW) : plugin in this adaptor cable to PJ will stops the projector embedded IR sync. signal so you can't use both Sony and MV/optoma glasses in the same time but who wants to keep those "ghosty" Sony glasses after seeing the MV/optoma glasses benefit ? For those who still wanna do so, they still allowed to use the TMR-PJ1 external IR emitter with this adaptor cable in parallel (over the TMR-PJ1 RJ45 cable).

For the VW30ES, it's a slight different story : if this adaptor cable is uses in parallel (over the RJ45 cable) of the TMR-PJ1 external IR emitter, then you can still use both Sony and MV/optoma glasses together.

Hope this helps understanding this mod. cable

John

Hi JohnHWman, thanks a lot for sharing your findings!

It may be very useful for me, as I would like to use the MV glasses (less ghosting), but here in Switzerland it is very hard to get the Monster-Kit. However, the new Optoma RF Kit is available her. It is identical to the Monster-Kit, but it lacks the IR-Receiver, so the signal must be transmitted through the cable.

Can you or someone else already confirm that this method actually works?

Thanks!

john - thank you for taking the time to post this information. When I have some time, I'll make a connector and give it a shot.

in the meantime, I am looking forward to playing with this new toy once it arrives late next week from the UK -> US.

early reports are stating that folks are able to play 3D bluray ISO's via HDMI 1.4 with this media tank. Can't wait to try it out to see if I can restrict my Win 7 HTPC to strictly MCE duties with the Ceton Quad tuner.

I want the jukebox style for 2D/3D bluray like I use with the popcorn hour, althought the PCH-C200 is seriously outdated compared to the Himedia 900b.

Hello Mustang,
Beware that Optoma RF glasses kit MAY have a restriction versus MonsterVision MAX 3D glasses RF kit : it may lack of the timing adjustment through the dongle Joystick or through the PC Without these timings adjustments allowed, you can't use the glasses with the Sony PJ

It should work nice. If I only had my VW95ES available here, it already been done on my side
There is also one thing important for us European customers : as Mustang stated,the MV kit is not available (yet ?) I tried to order it from Amazon.com but they seems to refuse to send them to European people, only to US customers, it's a real shame ...

John

Hi JohnHWman,
thanks for the information. Indeed, it's really annoying that MV kit is not available here. It would be a nice improvement for the HW30.

So far, I'm happy with the HW30 especially in 2D (not hard as I have had H5360 before). In 3D, colors, brightnesss, sharpness and contrast is also excellent compared to the H5360 in my opinion. However, ghosting can be quite visible in some scenes. It may be less for people, who don't know about it. But as soon as you give attention to this topic, you know where to look at, and then you are extremely sensitive to it (at least in my case). My eyes almost search automatically for high contrast borders in every scene.

HD33 would be a nice alternative because it is DLP and FullHD. But there the 60 Hz 3:2 Pulldown is a no-go for me. A 48 Hz (like HW30), FullHD, DLP projector with at least average contrast and high brightness would be my dream....

You're welcome

Exactly what I feel about 3D ghosting effects FYI, I'm curently using a Sony VPH-G90 CRT projector that has been tweaked to play 3D material (720p96 only). At the beginning, I was really enjoying it in 3D but after a while I always see some ghosting (green tube) in the picture and this makes me forget about the movie as this was really distracting to myself

I'm waiting to test the VPL-VW95ES in a month (inside my HT room) and hope this will deliver a good 3D

John

you guys should call www.bhvideo.com, they are one of the largest electronics companies in the US, located in New York City. it appears they ship internationally and carry the MV3D's.

The HW30 is my fourth 3D projector, I am especially picky when it comes to ghosting. If it's there, I can see it clear as day with my 142" 2.8 high power screen. the MV3D's definitely went a long way to tuning out the final bit of ghosting I was seeing.

Also important to note, it appears that after a slight warm up time (about 10 mins), ghosting reduces on my HW30 if I am looking closely. It's nowhere near the magnitude of the JVC's which took me a good 30 minutes of 'warm up' before I could watch 3D. I am going to pay more attention the next time I watch a 3D movie.

Thanks for your suggestion, that's kind

Panel Alignment
Been playing with my new HW30 and have a few question. I put in the AVS calibration disk to check the color alignment. I had a red shadow on the right side of the lines. (what is up with red ? My RS1 had the same issue when I got that). Anyway I did the panel adjustment for the Red (H -6, V 1) and Blue (H-2 V0). The alignment looked pretty good and my red shadow was gone. I then brought up the overscan panel on the AVS disk and the checkerboard pattern part (?) on that was messed up. Instead of gray on a black background, it was gray on a red background. I turned the panel alignment off and the red background problem went away but my red shadows were back. I noticed in the Sony manual it says...
Depending on the adjustments made above, the number of display pixel may decrease. Also, colors may become uneven or the resolution may change.
So what are you HW30 users doing ? Are your panels aligned good enough from the factory so that you don't need to adjust them or are you living with the shadows or are you aligning them and then living with the consequences ? I'm not sure what the other consequences would be. Adjusting the alignment in my RS1 didn't cause this problem, so I'm wondering what Sony does different. Thanks for the input and any help.

You can use my alignment pattern as well.
It is much more accurate as it shows the three panels separately.

That is.. if you can play jpg files.

jack-bauer,
My setup is still in the construction stage and I don't know if my dvd player can do jpg files. I'll have to try them.
zombie,
You seem pretty happy with your system. Were your panels aligned right from the box or did you do the panel alignment function ?

Thanks! I just ordered the Kit for my HW30.

Another question. Looking through the reviews, they say you can adjust pixel in different zones vs the entire screen. How do you adjust/select zones ? The panel adjustment that I see does the entire screen, not a specific area of the screen. Is this a feature that has been removed from the 30 ? Thanks

yesterday I watched 3 movies on the HW30 after a quick calibration @ 50 hours with chromapure and the chroma 5 pro meter. Grey scale needed minor tweaking and color space was very close to R709, I am leaving it alone for now.

Captain American 3D - I had to force myself through this movie in preparation for the Avengers next year. The 3D was better than Thor, but liked Thor better as a movie. There was a ton of places for ghosting to stand out in this movie (blue backgrounds, high contrast scenes) but the MV3D's keep the ghosts away, this looked very good in 3D.

Beauty and the Beast 3D - This is absolutely remarkable how Disney converted this to 3D. The depth is enormous and you never forget the placement of the characters in the landscape -no cardboard cut-outs like I would have expected (clash of the titans).. just great color and depth in this classic movie. I don't know how they did it, the flat drawn characters appear to also have dimension. Not an ounce of ghosting to be seen in this movie with the MV3D's.

Blade - One of my cult classic favorites. This has tons of dark scenes. After the calibration, I settled on Gamma 7 with a black setting of +1 and a white setting of +1. This movie looked great, I haven't seen this since the various 'Over the air' HD broadcasts via DVR which looked better than DVD, but not like this. For anyone addicted to JVC blacks, if you properly calibrate the HW30, imo you wouldn't be disappointed. The dark scenes looked excellent. Sony's DI must be tuned to near perfection for it to work this well.

I leave the FI on low in 2D and 3D, Captain America took full advantage of the FI during the high paced action scenes, everything looks crisp and clear during pans and camera movement.

Got my 100" SI Solar HD mounted tonight with the help of my neighbor. Finally nice to be able to watch 3D without any red/green tinting.

Completely agree on Beauty and the Beast. Not an ounce of ghosting. Guests were very happy. Plus they all raved about the Monster glasses!

I wish I could bring myself to shell out the extra $$$ to grab a couple pair of these glasses. Being able to purchase the Sony 250s for less than $50, makes it so hard to pull the trigger.