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post #241 of 3213
At this point I really don't know how to answer requests for additional pairs of 3D glasses for the Sony VPL-HW30ES. I am receiving many pms and emails and I just don't have any recommendations for alternatives to the new Sony glasses which Sony does not yet have available seperately. Hopefully in a few more weeks.
post #242 of 3213
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Originally Posted by ScoHo View Post

I thought I asked this before, but couldn't find my post. Not sure if it got lost in the merge. I've read that the remote that comes with the projector requires you to "cycle" through the inputs. But are there discrete codes for each individual input?

There is nothing in the Harmony database that leads me to believe that there are discrete codes. Of course that's not to say that there isn't one.
post #243 of 3213
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Originally Posted by ScoHo View Post

I was pretty much set to order one of these...then I see this on the last page of the review:

Consider me one of those people that find digital noise extremely distracting. It's probably the main reason I've stuck with my Pioneer Elite RPTV for this long. Is this really something to be concerned about or could it be a calibration issue on their part?

If Kraine, Cine4home and myself aren't complaining, then it doesn't exist.

all kidding aside, I have a tough time giving these PC reviews much credence. They don't even provide basic, objective measurements and much of the other info seems subjective in nature.

This was a hot topic when the 2011 JVC's first came out. I can confirm the digital noise in the RS40 and RS50, but it really wasn't visible from seating distance so I didn't consider it an issue.

I personally haven't seen it on the Sony, even getting close up to the screen. Maybe it was in their source? Who knows.

It's a shame that Cine4home's review is in German and Kraines in French (the google translations are still very much worth reading). This is the only English written review and some folks are hanging their hat on what I would consider a preview at best. They have the calibration equipment and should be publishing the results.
post #244 of 3213
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Originally Posted by jmalto View Post

I will check this afternoon Kut, sorry I just saw your reply.

I've been down to Danley when I picked up my DTS-10's, outside of that I refuse to go there because I know I will leave with my credit card maxed out I am literally 1 exit away from them.

I also am interested in ditching my 2 DTS-10's for 2 DBH218LC's but I have yet to see a price tag on them yet.

I understand that. I demoed the dbh and omg it was awesome. I just took a break from dumping money on my theater. Im saving for a car now.
post #245 of 3213
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Originally Posted by William View Post

No it dosn't.

well that means I cant buy it. I wonder why they would leave this out! I hope the new 95 will have it. Then again im sure the new JVC will have it.
post #246 of 3213
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

well that means I cant buy it. I wonder why they would leave this out! I hope the new 95 will have it. Then again im sure the new JVC will have it.

Maybe you can buy a new blu-ray player ? OPPO does the stretching.
post #247 of 3213
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

Maybe you can buy a new blu-ray player ? OPPO does the stretching.

...or a scaler. Either way (especially the OPPO) you would be saving money over buying a VW95ES.
post #248 of 3213
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

...With the iris on the default setting on the HW30, I can't detect it working and it works quite well. I can't comment on the RS20, but I do have the RS50 sitting right next to the Sony. I would say the overall contrast level is on par with the RS50, Shadow detail meets or exceeds and black floor is closer than most would think. ...

You do realize that those comments are blasphemous and will get you excommunicated from the Church of The JVC.
post #249 of 3213
Zombi sleeps around with a wide variety of hot projectors. And every morning he wakes up with a big fecal eating grin. I doubt he will ever marry one for life. And as he might tell you, the err Church he belongs to has never excomunicated anyone, for sleeping around or otherwise. If it did, it would have very few single female members. Private Joke there Zombie.
post #250 of 3213
Thread Starter 
Emailed Sony about RS232 codes and got the following response.

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Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

The RS232 control codes and protocol information for your unit is only available to our authorized custom installers service network. If you are a member of this network, please contact our Sony custom installer technical support line for assistance at:

Consumers: (877) 619-7669
Installers: (866) 924-7669

Mark,

Is AVS a member authorized customer installer service network? If so it looks like Sony (USA) may have the codes now.
post #251 of 3213
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Originally Posted by HoustonHoyaFan View Post

You do realize that those comments are blasphemous and will get you excommunicated from the Church of The JVC.

I am just calling it like I see it. Trust me, if I could see see iris pumping for a second, i'd be screaming about it.

I know the JVC RS50 inside and out after the last 8 months and have them sitting side by side. I didn't think the Sony HW30 was going to compete given it's lower native contrast, but overall quite surprised at how well the dynamic iris allows for a competitive IQ.

I honestly don't think current JVC owners would be disappointed with the contrast and black floor of the 'budget' Sony. Of course the Sony is quite a bit brighter (new lamp vs. new lamp) than the RS50, so that alone is a little intoxicating for a brightness fanatic on an HP screen.

Being forced to squint during bright scenes in 3D is what it's all about.

post #252 of 3213
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Originally Posted by ScoHo View Post

I was pretty much set to order one of these...then I see this on the last page of the review:

Consider me one of those people that find digital noise extremely distracting. It's probably the main reason I've stuck with my Pioneer Elite RPTV for this long. Is this really something to be concerned about or could it be a calibration issue on their part?

Kraine mention in is review that if you activate the RCP (Sony version of a CMS) it does something to the image that does show more digital noise. But if you leave it off, the image is near perfect.
post #253 of 3213
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I am just calling it like I see it. Trust me, if I could see see iris pumping for a second, i'd be screaming about it.

Sony iris control has really gotten better, just like Motion Flow. There are still some scene changes that can let you see iris working, but they are so rare.
post #254 of 3213
So I got my HW30 today, and wow I'm impressed in just the little bit I played around with it. Even my wife was impressed by the upgrade (which is saying a lot).

Anyways, is there a reason that the suggested settings in the OP say to use Standard as opposed to one of the Cinema modes? Don't get me wrong, it looks great, but I would like to maximize lamp life as well.
post #255 of 3213
http://www.projectorcentral.com/sony...tor_review.htm

It seems PC likes the new Panny better for 3D than the Sony, but hey what does it know!
There is specific mention of ghosting so for me that's problematic. Less than the VW90, but still there.
post #256 of 3213
Already been posted.
The ghosting you will eventually see on the Panny will be a dust blob........in 2D and 3D!!
post #257 of 3213
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

http://www.projectorcentral.com/sony...tor_review.htm

It seems PC likes the new Panny better for 3D than the Sony, but hey what does it know!
There is specific mention of ghosting so for me that's problematic. Less than the VW90, but still there.

You did not honestly expect NO ghosting from either machine did you? DLP is king here and will be for a while I would bet. How is this for a prediction.........the new JVCs and Epson will still ghost as well! I hope the ghosting has been improved at least, but it will still be there to some degree.

Any news of a 1080p Acer DLP 3d machine coming out for under $1000? Grab a Sony, Panny, JVC, etc......for 2d and one of these for 3d would be great!
post #258 of 3213
William. I will call them in the morning. Thanks for the heads up.
post #259 of 3213
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

You did not honestly expect NO ghosting from either machine did you? DLP is king here and will be for a while I would bet. How is this for a prediction.........the new JVCs and Epson will still ghost as well! I hope the ghosting has been improved at least, but it will still be there to some degree.

Any news of a 1080p Acer DLP 3d machine coming out for under $1000? Grab a Sony, Panny, JVC, etc......for 2d and one of these for 3d would be great!

Deja must be poking fun, the PC review reads like a Fischer Price 'My first projector review'.. they must think people aren't bright enough to read a REC709 chart.

The Sony has ghosting with SBS MKV's and Xbox 360 SBS, but less than the JVC. It can be almost tuned out with the settings. But, we know DLP owns this area for certain.

The 1080P Optoma @ 1.5 looks like a promising upgrade to the Acer, but still no lens shift. Some might spend the $$ for a dedicated 3D gaming machine. or for watching crappy SBS material.
post #260 of 3213
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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

Maybe you can buy a new blu-ray player ? OPPO does the stretching.

I own the oppo93
post #261 of 3213
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Deja must be poking fun, the PC review reads like a Fischer Price 'My first projector review'.. they must think people aren't bright enough to read a REC709 chart.

The Sony has ghosting with SBS MKV's and Xbox 360 SBS, but less than the JVC. It can be almost tuned out with the settings. But, we know DLP owns this area for certain.

The 1080P Optoma @ 1.5 looks like a promising upgrade to the Acer, but still no lens shift. Some might spend the $$ for a dedicated 3D gaming machine. or for watching crappy SBS material.

I would be all over that Optoma IF it had some vertical lens shift. What is it with some of these DLPs and NO lens shift? Is it just to reduce cost, or is it harder to incorporate lens shift in DLP machines for some reason?

If the RS40 replacement makes similar strides in ghosting reduction compared to the Sony, that would be enough for me to sell and upgrade to the new JVC. Fingers crossed!
post #262 of 3213
Toe:

I wish that BenQ would add 3D to their W6000 due to its lens shift (no offset).

They would/could sell a ton of them (a 1080p 3D DLP with lens shift for an HP, no ghosting in 3D, and a low price).

Why in the world haven't they, won't they???
post #263 of 3213
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Originally Posted by Elkhunter View Post

Toe:

I wish that BenQ would add 3D to their W6000 due to its lens shift (no offset).

They would/could sell a ton of them (a 1080p 3D DLP with lens shift for an HP, no ghosting in 3D, and a low price).

Why in the world haven't they, won't they???

I hear ya! I just dont understand the no lens shift issue with these DLPs......
post #264 of 3213
Well Kiddies. After a night or running test patterns, playing with settings, watching Tom take a boat load of measuremenyts, I actually started watching the thing.

Now What did I watch first. 3D of course. Turned the machine on and then remembered you must turn the machine off before plugging in the emitter. OK Power down. WTF The emitter comes with a female RJ45 socket and the projector has a female RJ45 socket on it for the emitter. A quick look at the manual and duy. You need a male male RJ45 cable to connect the two together and the joiniong cable is not included in the box. Fortunately I have a lot of those lying around (most with phone stuff). Only took me 15 minutes to find one. Make sure you have one handy when you unpack your unit and want to watch 3D.


Watched ESPN 3D. Worked flawlessly. No ghosting on the fight I watched. BUT There was considerable ringing. You know a white halo around edges (not ghosting). I quickly went into the menu and the sharpness was cranked way up (with the 3D default?). Anyway cranked it down, and no more ringing.
post #265 of 3213
hmmm 3d didn't fire up until you plugged in emmitter first...maybe should have read the manual
post #266 of 3213
ghosting really only shows up on 2d-3d conversion and depth settings at 2. if you scale it back to depth setting of 0 it is slight. in straight 3d blue rays, i haven't really noticed ghosting much at all. pc should have probably mentioned that part.
if you have depth at 2 that's really where you will see it, but there really isn't any need to have depth set there as you get the full 3d effect at a depth of 0 from what i have seen so far.
post #267 of 3213
Put up the Projector and have to say , so far I am impressed. I did not get to try out the 3D on it yet, as I just finished running a 45 foot CAT5 cable though my attic for the emitter.

Much better experience then the 2 defective JVC RS40s I had.
post #268 of 3213
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Originally Posted by 22emmittfan View Post

ghosting really only shows up on 2d-3d conversion and depth settings at 2. if you scale it back to depth setting of 0 it is slight. in straight 3d blue rays, i haven't really noticed ghosting much at all. pc should have probably mentioned that part.
if you have depth at 2 that's really where you will see it, but there really isn't any need to have depth set there as you get the full 3d effect at a depth of 0 from what i have seen so far.

your comments are falling on deaf ears.. Deja will own the Acer 5360 until the end of time.

so will I, it's too cool to get rid of and the lamps are dirt cheap.
post #269 of 3213
22. I read the manual 2 weeks ago. I know you have to plug the emitter in with the machine off. I turned it on for a little 2D while I took the emitter out of the box. I remembered you have to turn it off. Then I realized the cable on the emitter won't plug into the machine. You have to use a male to male RJ45 connector cable and one doesn't come with the set. This could be aggrevating to some. So for those gettting a machine, you may want to have a short cable lying around. From playing with the emittter, I found the best position in my theater to mount it at the top of the screen just like the other emitters I have used.
post #270 of 3213
Hmm just read manual. On page 28 it says to only use Cat-7 cable for 3D emitter.

I ran Cat5e since I have a box of it.

Any problems reported when using Cat5?

Thanks
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