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post #2461 of 2970
I just purchased this projector at BB and will pick it up on Saturday. I tried reading through the posts for some info on mounting, but there's just too many posts in this thread.

I have a boxed ceiling mount covered with velvet panels which I recently used to support a Dwin CRT projector which is considerably larger and heavier than the Sony. I wanted to keep that set-up intact and mount this pj in a similar manner. The Magnolia guy at BB told me I could use the screws of the projector's "legs" and mount it directly into the 2x4 structure like the Dwin. Does anybody have their pj mounted in this manner? From the photos, it appears as if this puts the pj upside-down.
post #2462 of 2970
The projector can be mounted in several different ways. Depending on the projector orientation, the user goes into the projector menu and selects the proper setting so the image is projected correctly.
post #2463 of 2970
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Originally Posted by Bob Black View Post

I just purchased this projector at BB and will pick it up on Saturday. I tried reading through the posts for some info on mounting, but there's just too many posts in this thread.

I have a boxed ceiling mount covered with velvet panels which I recently used to support a Dwin CRT projector which is considerably larger and heavier than the Sony. I wanted to keep that set-up intact and mount this pj in a similar manner. The Magnolia guy at BB told me I could use the screws of the projector's "legs" and mount it directly into the 2x4 structure like the Dwin. Does anybody have their pj mounted in this manner? From the photos, it appears as if this puts the pj upside-down.

I would not use the legs and I don't think you can. The HW30 has 3 mounting holes to do this with. You could mount it on the board, though you would lose any fine tuning adjustments... Also make sure you are within the abilities of the lens...the Dwin had a very short throw of 1.2. The Sony minimum is 1.4. In other words, you may have to move it.
post #2464 of 2970
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 3 View Post

I would not use the legs and I don't think you can. The HW30 has 3 mounting holes to do this with. You could mount it on the board, though you would lose any fine tuning adjustments... Also make sure you are within the abilities of the lens...the Dwin had a very short throw of 1.2. The Sony minimum is 1.4. In other words, you may have to move it.

The mounting structure is located ten feet from the screen and the height is 7'8".

My screens are motorized and can adjust for differing aspect ratios. Measured horizontally, the white part of the screen is 92" across. When opened in the 16x9 aspect ratio, the diagonal measurement is approximately 105". When opened fully in 4:3 mode, the diagonal measurement is approximately 111".

I checked out the specs on the projector and it seems it should ideally be mounted closer to 12 feet from the screen. I can mount it towards the rear part of the structure and maybe eke out about 11 feet from the lens to the screen, but anything more would be a huge hassle and invole moving the structure, replastering the ceiling, etc.
post #2465 of 2970
The 30 is a great little PJ for the price for anyone on the fence on this guy if it's in your budget range I highly reccomend it (I owned one briefly and I went from an older 720P 3 Chip DLP and the 30ES impressed the heck out of the wife and I). I haven't seen it compared to the 95 but I'd expect it's (the 30 that is) a brighter picture with less detail based on what the 95 is replacing. Is it worth the price increase...that depends on the person and their tastes, budget, room etc...

Cheers
Calvin
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post #2467 of 2970
First off i would like to Thank zombie10k for taking his time in making that shootout..Which ultimately made my decision alot easier in Purchasing this projector. This is my first projector so im sorry if im asking stupid questions im a noob to all this. My projector arrived today so i went ahead and installed it, hook it up to my ps3 and i notice the lettering on the image had some convergence issue, now i dont know if this is normal and acceptable for a Lcos projector or is it fixable or defective...I try to adjust it using the alignment option, but it seems to make it worse...There is also a checkered pattern in the background is this normal?...Is there anyway to know where the center is on the H/V shift wheel?...If i tilt will it compromise image quality?...Is placing the projector in line with the center of your screen the optimal position?....where is the manufacturing date located?.. i look everywhere but couldn' find it.






post #2468 of 2970
Any 3-chip projector is going to have some issue with alignment between the panels. If you use the panel alignment feature, then only set it using multiples of 10, otherwise the alignment is using pixel relationship to make it appear sharper with text but the true resolution of the unit is being impacted.

If you are not satisfied you could return it for a replacement, but you may not be satisfied with the replacement either.

My advice is if you can see the chromatic abberation or pixel misalignment from your viewing position then try a replacement. If you can't see it from your typical viewing distance then don't worry about it since it occurs on most all 3-chip units.
post #2469 of 2970
Hi,

I have a question about this projector (considering replacing 5010 for hw30 because of input lag), I can't find the answer anywhere.

Does it support 3D in low lag "game mode"? I really care about gaming but also would like to do it in 3D
post #2470 of 2970
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Originally Posted by aznxtc View Post

There is also a checkered pattern in the background is this normal?

Not sure what you mean by "checkered pattern". If you look closely, you can see the individual pixels. But on an LCOS it should be pretty subtle...

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Originally Posted by aznxtc View Post

Is there anyway to know where the center is on the H/V shift wheel?

Sadly, no. But if you move the image left to right (extremes), you can get a very good idea where the center is on the dial


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Originally Posted by aznxtc View Post

If i tilt will it compromise image quality?

Yes. PJ lens should be perpendicular to the screen (in both X and Y axis).

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Originally Posted by aznxtc View Post

Is placing the projector in line with the center of your screen the optimal position?

Yes, but you can get very good results can be had even if you use the lens shift. Its somewhat unit dependent, IMHO.

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Originally Posted by aznxtc View Post

where is the manufacturing date located?.. i look everywhere but couldn' find it.

Don't recall seeing that... I suspect Sony correlates this info via serial number.

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Is it like that across the entire screen? If so, I've give it a thumbs down. If it's like that for about 15% of the screen, IMHO, that's not uncommon for this model.
post #2471 of 2970
Thanks Toknowshita, and Thanks to MadMyers for answering all my question i really appreciated...by the way thats a very nice cab and pinball collection you got there so envious...I also collect cab as a hobby, but only japanese cabs. The convergence is like that across the entire screen...Do you think its acceptable or defective and i should call Sony to replace it or repair it?...During movies I dont see it at all so its not bothersome.
post #2472 of 2970
Try very small focus adjustments. I've seen the focus being slightly off may cause what appears to be convergence problems.

(oh, thanks for the kind words about my pins...)
post #2473 of 2970
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Originally Posted by atablash View Post

Hi,

I have a question about this projector (considering replacing 5010 for hw30 because of input lag), I can't find the answer anywhere.

Does it support 3D in low lag "game mode"? I really care about gaming but also would like to do it in 3D

AFAIK there is no "3D Gaming Mode" setting.

I have done a little bit of PS3 3D gaming in single player mode, and haven't really noticed any problems (COD Black Ops, Uncharted 3).

If I get time I will try some multiplayer UC3 and/or BO in 3D and let you know if I notice a difference.

For what it's worth, I spend most of my multiplayer on-line gaming time in Battlefield 3 and the PJ seems to be very good lag-wise with the standard "Gaming" mode, especially now that BF3 has added an option in the PS3 software to turn off anti-aliasing.
post #2474 of 2970
If I want to get additional 3D glasses, should I get the original Sony or a different brand?
Are there compatible non-sony glasses?
post #2475 of 2970
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Originally Posted by metropole View Post

If I want to get additional 3D glasses, should I get the original Sony or a different brand?
Are there compatible non-sony glasses?

A good option that I, and seemingly many others, have done is to get the MonsterVision/Optoma RF glasses. There is a combo pack you can buy with the IR to RF unit and one pair of glasses and then you can add all of the RF glasses you want. You can still use the sony glasses as well if you'd like.

I find that they before just as good, if not slightly better after tweaking, as the sonys and are many many times more comfortable and the advantages of RF over IR are huge. If I ever have another active 3d display device, i will only use RF (hopefully by the time i get another one it will be passive or glasses free )
post #2476 of 2970
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Originally Posted by atablash View Post

Hi,

I have a question about this projector (considering replacing 5010 for hw30 because of input lag), I can't find the answer anywhere.

Does it support 3D in low lag "game mode"? I really care about gaming but also would like to do it in 3D

there is a specific gaming mode that lowers the lag time to ~25 MS. Click on the link in my signature - the first page has all the lag times I measured on the JVC, Sony, Epson and BenW7000. the Sony has the best lag time.
post #2477 of 2970
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Originally Posted by GrantMeThePower View Post

A good option that I, and seemingly many others, have done is to get the MonsterVision/Optoma RF glasses. There is a combo pack you can buy with the IR to RF unit and one pair of glasses and then you can add all of the RF glasses you want. You can still use the sony glasses as well if you'd like.

I find that they before just as good, if not slightly better after tweaking, as the sonys and are many many times more comfortable and the advantages of RF over IR are huge. If I ever have another active 3d display device, i will only use RF (hopefully by the time i get another one it will be passive or glasses free )

That's great to know. This would also solve my IR transmitter placement issue. Maybe I sell my Sony's. Is Monster = Optoma for his product?
post #2478 of 2970
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Originally Posted by metropole View Post

That's great to know. This would also solve my IR transmitter placement issue. Maybe I sell my Sony's. Is Monster = Optoma for his product?

Both Monster and Optoma are made by a another company. I forget exactly the name of it, but they are all the same and all interchangeable. The MonsterVision package is where you can get the IR->RF adaptor and then you can use either the monster vision or optoma glasses. They are identical. I have both.

If you do sell your Sony glasses, don't sell the IR blaster! haha. You will still need that part.
post #2479 of 2970
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Originally Posted by StarmanTHX View Post

The problem I have with this projector is that when I want to see it at my local Best Buy, there were some VERY bad color problems when viewing through the glasses. you did not see this problem in 2D without the glasses, which makes me think there's some misalignment somewhere. Attached are some images that I took through the glasses with my iPhone.


I see the exact same thing when using the glasses - severe green and pink patches on the lower left and right of the screen.

I can't be the only owner here with this problem can I?
post #2480 of 2970
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Originally Posted by bryan_chow View Post

I see the exact same thing when using the glasses - severe green and pink patches on the lower left and right of the screen.

I can't be the only owner here with this problem can I?

what kind of screen do you have? this was reported from some members early on that had the same issue and it was the screen material. (not just on the HW30, but it affected some other 3D projectors as well)
post #2481 of 2970
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Originally Posted by bryan_chow View Post

I see the exact same thing when using the glasses - severe green and pink patches on the lower left and right of the screen.

I can't be the only owner here with this problem can I?

i had this with my black diamond 3 1.4 screen. I ended up ordering a bunch of samples from Da-lite. The High Power 2.4 screen shows barely ANY of that, it's unnoticeble unless you have a 100% white screen, and then it's minor. This is because the screen doesnt' retain polarization.

I'm very happy with my 133" 16x9 high power. It's a great match for the projector IMO
post #2482 of 2970
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

i had this with my black diamond 3 1.4 screen. I ended up ordering a bunch of samples from Da-lite. The High Power 2.4 screen shows barely ANY of that, it's unnoticeble unless you have a 100% white screen, and then it's minor. This is because the screen doesnt' retain polarization.

Strange my screen is matte white with no gain (it's a pretty crappy locally made screen; from Singapore). Looks like I may have to change it or the material.

Regarding the cause, that can't be correct right? Where does polarization come in on an active 3D system.
post #2483 of 2970
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Originally Posted by bryan_chow View Post

Strange my screen is matte white with no gain (it's a pretty crappy locally made screen; from Singapore). Looks like I may have to change it or the material.

Regarding the cause, that can't be correct right? Where does polarization come in on an active 3D system.

With 3 chip projection, polarisation is used internally, whether it's 2D or 3D.
post #2484 of 2970
Is the Sony BR250 3D glasses compatible with the HW30ES?
post #2485 of 2970
I just decided to buy 2 more of the Sony glasses rather than use any of the other 'retrofit' options. I picked up two more pair for $100 each so now I have four pairs.
post #2486 of 2970
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Originally Posted by atablash View Post

Hi,

I have a question about this projector (considering replacing 5010 for hw30 because of input lag), I can't find the answer anywhere.

Does it support 3D in low lag "game mode"? I really care about gaming but also would like to do it in 3D

Thanks for your replies to my post quoted above.

I just replaced 5010 for hw30 and checked myself. It does allow "game" picture mode while in 3D mode. Thus games can be played in stereoscopic 3D with a low lag. I already tried Trine 2 and The Witcher 2.

That 30ms lag in game mode is barely noticeable but I feel it very slightly when moving the mouse.
post #2487 of 2970
Anybody contemplating this projector, this month would be a good time to buy, much better than next month.
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post #2488 of 2970
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Anybody contemplating this projector, this month would be a good time to buy, much better than next month.

What makes this month so special? And do we have until 5/31 or is there an earlier cutoff?
post #2489 of 2970
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Anybody contemplating this projector, this month would be a good time to buy, much better than next month.

Why is that?
post #2490 of 2970
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What makes this month so special? And do we have until 5/31 or is there an earlier cutoff?

Before 5-31.
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