Official Sony VPL-HW30(A)ES Owners Thread - Page 16

There is a place in naperville, il that has the sony in a light controlled room with a direct tv feed and blu ray demos. Dont have the name on top of my head, but the cross streets are 75th and rickett.

Can you take a few photos of the blurred area to see how bad it is? If you look a few pages back, another member had an HW30 which looked like a double image in the corners. I am curious if it's the same thing, or just uneven focus.


I have a 142" 16:9 Cinema Contour and made a cool set up of custom masks using the same velvet material that I bought from Dalite to cover the masks. I rarely use them since the JVC is so dark and the Sony is right there along with it. it's only when I use the Acer for watching TV that the bars bother me since the black floor on that projector is awful.



Tom thank you for taking the time to post the measurements. After fiddling with the RS50 for months, I knew right away that Normal and Gamma=off was about as good as it gets with out of the box settings.

This is remarkable that a relatively low cost projector would have settings this close to accurate out of the box vs. my 2x expensive JVC which needed huge changes in gray scale & gamma settings regardless of what lamp I used. I would recommend the Sony for folks who are looking for great out of the box IQ and Color without being forced to immediately calibrate as was necessary on the JVC.

Regarding DI, I have seen many projectors whose DI make me cringe since I can easily see it. The Sony is possibly the best i've seen (or more important, not seen) to date. For my eyes, it's transparent and might explain why I am not rushing to hook up the JVC again. Mixed contrast scenes are very good and the iris handles dark scenes well.

Thanks Jason. Yeah with a CIW screen (instead of CIH) like you have, you dont have to worry about messing with the lens after you get it set up.

oops, no wonder I threw you off - CIW, not CIH. The 2:35:1 setup is still 133" diagonal, I didn't want to sacrifice 16:9 size by going the other way around.

142" for 16:9 and 133" for 2:35:1 is nice. I'd have gone even bigger if I had the room! long live the 2.8HP material.

I'm in the same boat as you. Maybe if we both bug Suess Electronics in Appleton enough, they'll get one set up so that we stop bugging them. I know I am(bugging them that is)!

Could that be ABT Electronics you're thinking of?

EDIT: It's actually..... http://www.deluxeaudioandvideo.com/

Just came across a new review:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/sony-v...ojector_review

I had a few guys ask for a stock update so i thought i'd just update it here....

We currently have 17 units in stock.

Thanks!

Benito

'The impact of not having your eyes plagued by crosstalk for 99.9% of your viewing time with the HS30ES can't be overstated, making the 3D experience infinitely more relaxing, natural, crisp, detailed and deep than it was on the VW90ES. In short, by avoiding crosstalk the HW30ES shows up all the advantages of active 3D in impressive fashion.'

I am curious how much the new glasses have to do with large reduction in ghosting compared to the VW90.

'Colours in 3D mode look natural too. Also extremely impressive is how stable and fluid 3D pictures look if you engage the projector's motion processing. Normally, of course, we wouldn't advise that you use such motion processing, but the system in the HS30ES is remarkably good and sensitive for such an affordable machine, and we genuinely preferred to have it on (at its lowest setting, mind you) during 3D viewing.'

I agree, I have watched about 10+ different 3D BD's and prefer to leave the Motion Flow on low all the time. it works well without looking overly processed.

Hi,

here are two photos with this issue.

The projector is leveled, lens shift is used only at a minimum. The screen is wall mounted, flat and the image has no keystone.

Thanks for your feedback.

Looks like the issue William was having

Did you try using any test patterns and try to refocus the projector? If you could have someone verify while you tried to focus it that would be best.

this looks very similar to the issue that William had with his first projector.

It looks like a double image upon close inspection but probably looks out of focus from seating distance. Is this similar based on William's photo from the beginning of the thread?

Now that I have a whopping dozen hours on my HW30, I thought I'd post some observations that I don't think I've seen anyone else talk about yet.

1) I have a new Onkyo TX-NR809 receiver. Out of the box, I had problems getting the HW30 to power on when connected to the receiver; it would blink standby/on for 5 seconds or so and then flash the standby/on 12 times red over and over without getting so far as to turn the fan on.

Long story short, I had to change the standby mode from 'low' to 'standard' to get the projector to reliably turn on when connected to the TX-NR809, and even now have to unplug the HDMI to get the projector to turn on when it is first plugged in. I attribute this to most likely HDMI handshaking. Both products have RIHD (HDMI control), but both have this feature turned off.

2) My HW30 only seems to vent hot air out of one side - can someone verify that theirs does the same?

3) I have a Da-lite grey screen with a gain of 1.3 that's many years old (back from when home projectors had very poor contrast). Last night I was watching a 3D show with people skiing and noticed the snow was green on the lower left corner of the screen and red in the lower right corner. On further experimentation, if I look at a projected white background wearing the 3D glasses but with the glasses OFF, the lower left corner of the screen is definitely tinted green and the lower right is tinted red. I can only see this wearing the 3D glasses- there is no perceptible color shift without the glasses. If the glasses are on watching a 3D show, the color shift is still there but not as strong as with the glasses off.

I used all my vast technical experience and came up with the high-tech experiment of putting a sheet of white paper in each lower corner of the screen and then checking the result. Now wearing the 3D glasses, I don't see the green/red color shift in the corners with the paper. So clearly this is due to my screen - can anyone explain why (I see light polarization discussed often)?

Last guy I spoke to at Suess told me the projector hadn't been released yet (after forum members had them in hand and BB had theirs hanging).
They do have decent demo rooms, and don't fuss about bringing in your own source material.
Still, sounded to me like they weren't planning on getting any in until Sept.
Would be nice, it's about a 15-20 min drive from my place and quieter than BB.

Hi,

I also found his photo. My issue seems to be not that worse and I can focus the double image but than the other corner is way out of focus.

Thanks for your feedback.
I think it should be possible to get a good focus over the whole screen with a 3k+ projector

Ah and in addition I noticed a strange behaviour when connected to my Yamaha RX-V2700. The PS3 has some horizontal lines in some menus, e.g. when watching trophies or chat messages.
The upper line was only visible on the left side of the screen and on the right side the line was gone but I got to see parts of the line flickering. Using the PS3 attached directly to the projector did solve this issue.

Cheers,
HeckMc

if it bothers you, ask the dealer to exchange it. You should be able to expect a projector for 3k+ that focuses evenly within some reason over the entire screen. My guess is that Sony has some lens elements that are shifting during production or shipment from Japan. My first JVC RS40 was REALLY bad. Sharp in the center, soft on the left, very soft on the right. The 2nd projector had dead on focus from edge to edge.

By some luck, my HW30 is quite even from edge to edge and do not see the double focus in any of the corners. I run an HTPC so my first screen I see is a windows desktop where i'll focus to make sure the 'my computer' icon, start menu and time are all as sharp as possible. Then I know i'm good for movies.


Ron Jones could answer this one with ease. Send him a PM if he doesn't respond to this thread.

Anyone know if Sony's going to have kids glasses come out for this projector? Or am i just best to pick up some of the current glasses and request poloarizing filters?

Gamma 3 averaged 2.27. Gamma Off averaged 2.15.

Hey guys,
I am looking at getting a 113 inch black diamond screen for this projector. Should I get the 1.4 gain version, or the .8? How are you guys finding your brightness on your screen sizes in 3d and 2d?

I wonder how many units have this focus problem. I hope when my replacement comes for my fan issue, that it doesn't have the focus problem

google search joe rod on highdefjunkie(s).

He and some other members used the kids glasses from before and picked up the required polarizers direct from Sony. They list all the parts in the HW30 discussion on that site.

If it works out well, please post your results as I would be interested in doing the same. With my poor experience with the Xpand 103's and Monster Vision 3D's, I am not hopeful there are too many glasses that are going to work as well as the model that shipped with the HW30.

Yea, I've seen that post, however I was hoping for native kids glasses that would work for the projector. I'm also in no hurry.

Agreed - I needed an excuse to go from 92" to 110" anyway

I'm working with a guy at Suess for my basement theater project(only dealer close to me that had GoldenEar). He said he'll notify me the second they get one in. When he does I'll shoot you a note.

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

Your screen sounds fantastic! Makes me wish I could go bigger which I cant. I am maxed out both height and width in my setup.

Not a projector issue if removing the AVR from the equation removed the problem. You might check in the Onkyo thread for your AVR and see if anybody else has had this problem.