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Originally Posted by perasien View Post


Also, I did notice some FPS issues playing FIFA 2010, but none on other games so far. FPS drop is pretty noticebla when it happens. I don't know maybe I have a defective product...

Another thing I noticed is sometimes the screen will flicker like it's re-adjusting or something. It does this rarely but when it does, it looks like searching for HDMI signal. So I am thinking my HDMI cable may be defective.

Has anyone else noticed any fps or lag issues when gaming? I'm wondering if the 750 "gaming projector" would have any advantages over the HD33 even though it appears to have a much slower color wheel.
post #1202 of 5228
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Originally Posted by Amber Ale View Post


Has anyone else noticed any fps or lag issues when gaming? I'm wondering if the 750 "gaming projector" would have any advantages over the HD33 even though it appears to have a much slower color wheel.

Have seen no lag on HD3300 "essentially same as HD33 in this regard" while playing Halo Reach.

Differences are numerous.
720p vs. 1080p
Much shorter throw on 750
10 Watt speaker on 750 none 33
3000 vs. 4000 ansi rating brightness

I feel this represents core differences related to gaming other than price.
post #1203 of 5228
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Originally Posted by Technosponge View Post

Received HD3300 today. Now trying to figure out after looking at calculator for screen whether or not I can get 100" screen filled out in 12ft from screen to wall. It looks as though I can zoom down to 11' of throw. If projector is 1'deep I'm at exactly 12' with nothing to spare. Any opinion or suggestion would be great. 1.0 gain screen. Is 92" a better option for room constraints? I have total light control.

I'm in the same situation let me know if 100" is ok.
post #1204 of 5228
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Originally Posted by 8000HD View Post


I'm in the same situation let me know if 100" is ok.

May perform a test setup on wall with Projector temp mounted to see exactly what dimensions are. Keeping in mind I forgot to add just a bit for cable protrusion. Approximately 1"?
post #1205 of 5228
I have had issues where my HD33 has frozen up and won't power off. I swapped the HDMI cables for my DirecTV and PS3 and I haven't seen the problem reoccur. This didn't occur when I used the PS3 so that's why I tried switching HDMI ports. My cables are el cheapo from Meritline.
post #1206 of 5228
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Originally Posted by Amber Ale View Post

Has anyone else noticed any fps or lag issues when gaming? I'm wondering if the 750 "gaming projector" would have any advantages over the HD33 even though it appears to have a much slower color wheel.

I just wanted to re-iterate my post a bit more. Only time I saw FPS drop was in Fifa 2010. Now since then I played God of War 3, Crysis 2 (3D mode), Motostorm Apocalpys (3D) and Wipeout HD (3D). Now, I realize the other games are far more advanced graphics wise and also action-wise meaning there are a whole a lot more going on screen then Fifa. So it might just be an issue with the game rather than projector...
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Originally Posted by perasien View Post

I just wanted to re-iterate my post a bit more. Only time I saw FPS drop was in Fifa 2010. Now since then I played God of War 3, Crysis 2 (3D mode), Motostorm Apocalpys (3D) and Wipeout HD (3D). Now, I realize the other games are far more advanced graphics wise and also action-wise meaning there are a whole a lot more going on screen then Fifa. So it might just be an issue with the game rather than projector...

I played the Motorstorm Apocalyps 3D Demo on HD33, its insane fun ! The parallax is not as strenuous as Killzone 3.
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post #1209 of 5228
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Originally Posted by perasien View Post

Hey here is what I am talking about. As you can see, the first picture is from my 58" Plasma and you can see the the guy in the picture as well as the text. The next two are from the projector and no matter how high the brightness is I still can't see the guy and the text.

Brightness issue

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...sc01903ty.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/dsc01906gk.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...sc01907ur.jpg/

Here are some images of a blu-ray. 2D looks much nicer then the pictures and remember I don't have a white screen yet...

Babylon HD Blu-Ray

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/dsc01910xq.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/87/dsc01911rb.jpg/

If you can plug in a laptop or computer, go to http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

First use http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/contrast.php , the Contrast page.
To make sure you can see all the high bars and most of the dark bars. Even if you can't see all the dark bars, most games and video are not often encoded below 5-6 anyway.

With any projector, I often leave the brightness in the middle or just below mid. And contrast also at middle. Then go through the other pages and test.

Reviews claim the HD33 are pretty darn great right out of the box in Cinema mode. So you might want to reset to defaults and start from there again.

And as others have said, if your darks are getting crushed, then the projector is literally not projecting the low brightness gradients.
post #1210 of 5228
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Originally Posted by 8000HD View Post

I'm in the same situation let me know if 100" is ok.

Both you and technosponge should be fine with the 100" as long as the room is light controlled. If you have some light issues, it would help to go with a 92" diagonal but I would focus more on getting the ambient light issue taken care of.

Benito
post #1211 of 5228
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Originally Posted by Amber Ale View Post


Has anyone else noticed any fps or lag issues when gaming? I'm wondering if the 750 "gaming projector" would have any advantages over the HD33 even though it appears to have a much slower color wheel.


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Originally Posted by perasien View Post


I just wanted to re-iterate my post a bit more. Only time I saw FPS drop was in Fifa 2010. Now since then I played God of War 3, Crysis 2 (3D mode), Motostorm Apocalpys (3D) and Wipeout HD (3D). Now, I realize the other games are far more advanced graphics wise and also action-wise meaning there are a whole a lot more going on screen then Fifa. So it might just be an issue with the game rather than projector...

I did notice lag from time to time, mostly on "MLB the show" (a precise timing game). Couldn't figure out why, sometimes it was there sometimes it wasn't. Then I realized what it was, Puremotion. I'm constantly messing with the settings to see if I can dial my HD33 in a bit more so I'm always turning and tweaking. Since puremotion smooths the image it's either duplicating/mixing frames, turning that off for gaming seemed to alleviate the lag.
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Possibly stupid question here. Is there a "save" button or something for the settings section of the HD33? For example, I usually have three different setting for games, video, and websurfing so i have tweaked cinema, reference, and user to look the best for each of these three. But, I can't get the setting to say. If I set it all up, turn of the projector, and comes back an hour or two later, everything is still there, but if I turn off the projector for an extended period of time, say overnight, everything gets set back to default. Am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

Crap. Ghosting on a DLP!?? I hope it was just a setting issue. Have you been able to replicate the problem?

I'm quite tempted to get a DLP to augment my JVC and run it mainly for 3D and maybe for TV during the day.

Remember that when people say ghosting when viewing 3D, they are talking about "crosstalk" and not ghosting that is the lag of pixel refresh on an LCD. DLP DMD chips do not have LCD ghosting as the mirrors do not "fade".

Crosstalk is the bleed of the opposite eye's image, such as the left image is partly getting through the right lens. This is mostly the glasses inability to block out 100% of the light from the lens that is darkened. But other things can affect or add to this issue. Such as refresh rate, sharpness being too high which causes edge contrast that is not actually part of the source image and can create unusual lines, etc

Anyway. If you are thinking of traditional LCD ghosting. DLP does not have that at all with 2D and it's actually Crosstalk when in 3D, though looks very similar to 2D ghosting of some LCDs.
post #1214 of 5228
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Originally Posted by perasien View Post

I just wanted to re-iterate my post a bit more. Only time I saw FPS drop was in Fifa 2010. Now since then I played God of War 3, Crysis 2 (3D mode), Motostorm Apocalpys (3D) and Wipeout HD (3D). Now, I realize the other games are far more advanced graphics wise and also action-wise meaning there are a whole a lot more going on screen then Fifa. So it might just be an issue with the game rather than projector...

Hi perasien. Are you playing these games off a PC? If so, which 3D drivers are u using? nvidia 3DTVPlap, trudef or iz3d? I am thinking of getting a HD33 which will partly be used for 3D gaming. Need to know if any of these drivers will work on the HD33. Thx.
post #1215 of 5228
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Originally Posted by LarryB1138 View Post

I currently use an inverted, dropped Panny and have a 106" screen with (I think) 1.0 gain, about 13.5 to 14 feet from lens to screen, and pointing at about 3 to 4 inches above the top of screen.

HD33 offset is higher. So either you have to move the screen down or use keystone correction.

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I'll need to replace a 5-year-old Yamaha AV receiver to get 3D. I'd like the latest tech (released within last 6 months), but prefer to keep the price at or below about $800. Two HDMI outs, Zone 2 audio, and iPhone/iPod compatibility (with adapter okay) are required. I've been happy with my Yamaha. Any suggestions?

Checkout the Receiver sub-forum. They should be able to help you.


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Finally, I'm crossing my fingers that my 5-year-old, 30' HDMI cable will be able to pass-through the 3D signal, because I don't want to fish cable again.

Unless it was a high speed cable, most probably you will have to fish a new one.
post #1216 of 5228
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Originally Posted by teohwk View Post

Hi perasien. Are you playing these games off a PC? If so, which 3D drivers are u using? nvidia 3DTVPlap, trudef or iz3d? I am thinking of getting a HD33 which will partly be used for 3D gaming. Need to know if any of these drivers will work on the HD33. Thx.

hi,

I am using a PS3 to play games so not much help there.
post #1217 of 5228
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Originally Posted by LarryB1138 View Post

...I'll need to replace a 5-year-old Yamaha AV receiver to get 3D. I'd like the latest tech (released within last 6 months), but prefer to keep the price at or below about $800. Two HDMI outs, Zone 2 audio, and iPhone/iPod compatibility (with adapter okay) are required. I've been happy with my Yamaha. Any suggestions?

My price range was under $500, and I went with an Onkyo TX-NR609 (from Amazon). It seems to meet your specs, and works fine for my requirements.
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Originally Posted by xenon2000 View Post

If you can plug in a laptop or computer, go to http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

First use http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/contrast.php , the Contrast page.
To make sure you can see all the high bars and most of the dark bars. Even if you can't see all the dark bars, most games and video are not often encoded below 5-6 anyway.

With any projector, I often leave the brightness in the middle or just below mid. And contrast also at middle. Then go through the other pages and test.

Reviews claim the HD33 are pretty darn great right out of the box in Cinema mode. So you might want to reset to defaults and start from there again.

And as others have said, if your darks are getting crushed, then the projector is literally not projecting the low brightness gradients.

Thanks for this info and I will definitely check it out.

Since guitarman mentioned that my PS3 was crushing darks with the current settings, I changed all my ps3 settings to factory and went from there. Everything seems to be fine now, the darks are not getting crushed anymore. I believe the problem was RGB output was set to Full and changing it to Limited actually eased up the darks so it looks much more natural now.

Now I have a problem with colors not looking very bright/natural. But this might be due to the fact that I don't have a projector screen yet (will arrive next week) and I am projecting it to dark gray concrete wall with some stain patterns on it. Far from ideal but I didn't want to wait until my projector screen arrived. I will upload some screenshots when my screen finally arrives
post #1219 of 5228
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Never tried it with that particular projector, but if it's not designed for upside down mounting then just get some rubber feet or anything to make it level, it shouldn't hurt it as long as you do not block the vents. You can also build a square wood container for it if you want to get it fancy, but it is easier just to use a hack.

I've even used DVD cases underneath a projector not designed for shelf mounting before as a temporary solution.

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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

They are plate type wall mounts that hold the projector upside down. Look for universal wall mounts you'll find one.

Here's mine.
http:www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33mount1.jpg
http:www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33mount2.jpg

You see is has dials on the top to move the PJ around.

Very interesting. Thanks for the replies!
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guitarman, where do u buy ur mount? i want to buy one so i can mount it.

thank you
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LarryB1138 View Post

After reading this thread for the last couple weeks, I think the HD33 is for me, but will it work for my situation?

I currently use an inverted, dropped Panny and have a 106" screen with (I think) 1.0 gain, about 13.5 to 14 feet from lens to screen, and pointing at about 3 to 4 inches above the top of screen.

I'll need to replace a 5-year-old Yamaha AV receiver to get 3D. I'd like the latest tech (released within last 6 months), but prefer to keep the price at or below about $800. Two HDMI outs, Zone 2 audio, and iPhone/iPod compatibility (with adapter okay) are required. I've been happy with my Yamaha. Any suggestions?

Finally, I'm crossing my fingers that my 5-year-old, 30' HDMI cable will be able to pass-through the 3D signal, because I don't want to fish cable again.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Plenty of room to install the projector it will have to be more like 7.7" above the top of the screen. See the calculator for exact numbers.

Receiver with 2 HDMI outs look at the Marantz models.

The cable is a 50/50 chance. Mine didn't work for me and I route it under the house. What I did was tape the ends together and pulled the High Speed cable through. It was easy just use sticky packaging tape.
post #1222 of 5228
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Originally Posted by kdogg View Post

I have had issues where my HD33 has frozen up and won't power off. I swapped the HDMI cables for my DirecTV and PS3 and I haven't seen the problem reoccur. This didn't occur when I used the PS3 so that's why I tried switching HDMI ports. My cables are el cheapo from Meritline.

I had this issue with my HD33 and it was replaced, the new unit has not displayed this behavior at all. Another member had the issue but indicated it cleared up after a reboot of the HD3300, unplug for 20secs.

If it continues contact Optoma, they replaced my unit without issue.
post #1223 of 5228
Looks like my PJ may ship today, so I am going to need a 3D BD Player very soon. I'd like some input on 2D to 3D conversion from you using this PJ (I know the PJ doesn't do it natively) and maybe suggestions on the player that works well with this unit and why. I saw the Samsung listed in the thread a couple of time as very good at 2D to 3D, is it better than a Panny or Sony? Which other cust
post #1224 of 5228
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Originally Posted by audionewer View Post

guitarman, where do u buy ur mount? i want to buy one so i can mount it.

thank you

If in need of a mount, we have the mount for this projector in stock.

Benito
post #1225 of 5228
how much is it? it only support hd33 pj. it doesnot support all other projector except hd33.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

Harry Potter DH2 3D

Now we're talkin, they start doing more high quality movies like these and everybody will have a 3D projector. It's just like when HD-DVD /Blu Rays took hold. You'd be a fool to walk into Block Buster and buy the Standard DVD when you cound have the HD one.

3D vs non 3D same deal but with a much larger spread.
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post #1228 of 5228
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Originally Posted by futurecode View Post

Possibly stupid question here. Is there a "save" button or something for the settings section of the HD33? For example, I usually have three different setting for games, video, and websurfing so i have tweaked cinema, reference, and user to look the best for each of these three. But, I can't get the setting to say. If I set it all up, turn of the projector, and comes back an hour or two later, everything is still there, but if I turn off the projector for an extended period of time, say overnight, everything gets set back to default. Am I missing something?

Me too! Me too! Sometimes I will turn on the projector the next day and all the custom settings are gone. Really annoying.
post #1229 of 5228
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Originally Posted by Chris Blount View Post

Me too! Me too! Sometimes I will turn on the projector the next day and all the custom settings are gone. Really annoying.

there's no way to save settings on these new optomas?
post #1230 of 5228
I am curious what the folks from Canada (particulalrly the GTA) are doing to get this projector. As you know, any warranty would be void if it was not bought in canada, which sucks. However, there are a couple of places in Canada where you can pre-order it as it is not yet available (I hear two weeks). Not sure if I can discuss price even though it is in Canada. Let's just say the HD33 goes for less that what Amazon is asking for (at least at one on-line store in Mississauga, Ontario). Any other Canuck interested in this, could pm me for a link.
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