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post #241 of 5304
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

I just called Mike at AVS. You might be surprised about the good pricing on the Optoma HD3300. They may even do a pre-order.

Same here.

Now I've to decide HD33 or HD3300 & RF or DLP Link ...
post #242 of 5304
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

thanks for this very useful photo. Could you name which is which ?

Xpand 103's (upper left)
Monster Vision 3D (upper right - made by Bit Cauldron, same as the Optoma glasses)
Sony TDG-PJ1 (lower left)
Nvidia 3D vision (lower right)

As far as I can tell, all RF glasses we see come from the same manufacturer (Bit Cauldron). They ship with a 3 pin vesa 3D connector with an RF transmitter and also an IR repeater.

My warning is that they seem fragile compared to the other glasses. I broke a lens just folding the arms and don't give these to visitors or kids. Otherwise, they are my favorites since they are lightweight and fit nice over my prescription glasses. I also like the tint better than the other glasses.

It's good to see Optoma adopt the RF technology. Unfortunately the lack of lens shift is a deal breaker for me, I would have to get the 8300 to use with my 2.8 high power screen. IMO, they really need to price their flagship model similar to the Sony HW30, Mitsubishi HC7800, Panasonic 7000 and the JVC RS40 replacement.

post #243 of 5304
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

Yes 5% of the screen height. Which works out to be 2" on my 106" diagonal screen.

If my screen is 88" diagonal...the height would be about 43".

5% of 43 would give me about 2.15" of vertical shift.

If this is correct and I am fully comprehending this...I should be fine. My current set up has me about an inch off the required offset.

What say you?
post #244 of 5304
How does it do digital vertical shift? Is the panel more pixels than 1080 vertically?
post #245 of 5304
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Xpand 103's (upper left)
Monster Vision 3D (upper right - made by Bit Cauldron, same as the Optoma glasses)
Sony TDG-PJ1 (lower left)
Nvidia 3D vision (lower right)

As far as I can tell, all RF glasses we see come from the same manufacturer (Bit Cauldron). They ship with a 3 pin vesa 3D connector with an RF transmitter and also an IR repeater.

So, do these glasses work with each other i.e. will Optoma glasses work with Nvidia RF emitter and vice versa ?

Also wondering - in that case - will the cheaper 3dtv corp glasses (that are compatible with nvidia glasses) mentioned in this thread work with HD33 ?
post #246 of 5304
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Originally Posted by evnow View Post

So, do these glasses work with each other i.e. will Optoma glasses work with Nvidia RF emitter and vice versa ?

Also wondering - in that case - will the cheaper 3dtv corp glasses mentioned in this thread work with HD33 ?

negative. The Sony's only work with the Sony VW90 and HW30. The Optoma's should work for just about any IR setup since they are universal. They work fine with my JVC RS50, but not with the HW30, so they aren't 100% compatible.

The RF glasses (with the RF transmitter) should work with just about any combo and works with my JVC and Sony, but not my Acer/Nvidia emitter.

The Nvidia is unique to the Nvidia transmitter. How is that for confusing? I have several 3D projectors which explains why I have all these different glasses.
post #247 of 5304
Hey guys,

For those interested in the HD3300 or the HD8300, we are now officially starting a pre-order list.

Feel free to contact us to be placed on it.

Just a side note, if you provide us with CC info, we will not charge your card now. Once we receive the projectors, we will call you to confirm the order and at that point, if you approve, we charge the card.

Thanks everyone.

Benito Joaquin
post #248 of 5304
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

Thanks for clarifying guitarman....so what happens to the unit you reviewed ? do you get to keep it ?

I wish, they give a couple of weeks for the reviewing than it gets returned with their prepaid fedex label.
post #249 of 5304
One thing I didn't see mentioned was if you feed it 1080p24, do you have the option to do 5:5 pulldown and keep the film look, or are the only choices to have it converted to 60p or to use frame interpolation and lose the film look?
post #250 of 5304
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

The Nvidia is unique to the Nvidia transmitter. How is that for confusing? I have several 3D projectors which explains why I have all these different glasses.

Is there even a vesa standard for output to 3D emitter ?
post #251 of 5304
From what I heard, Vesa is pretty universal for 3d. The Optoma 3dxl was very flexible with the Vesa port. Hopefully the same is true with this pj.
post #252 of 5304
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

From what I heard, Vesa is pretty universal for 3d. The Optoma 3dxl was very flexible with the Vesa port. Hopefully the same is true with this pj.

it's odd, since most 3D projectors have the 3 pin VESA port for the 3D emitters, yet Sony chose to use an RJ45 connection instead on the HW30. I am trying to find the pin-outs so I can make a custom 3 Pin DIN -> RJ45 connector.



1 + 5V DC (secured with 750 mA)
2 Ground
3 Stereo Sync
post #253 of 5304
Will this projector work with Nvidia 3d Vision? I'm thinking of upgrading my HD66 with this so I can use both 3D vision with the PC and a dedicated 3d blu-ray player.
post #254 of 5304
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

it's odd, since most 3D projectors have the 3 pin VESA port for the 3D emitters, yet Sony chose to use an RJ45 connection instead on the HW30. I am trying to find the pin-outs so I can make a custom 3 Pin DIN -> RJ45 connector.



1 + 5V DC (secured with 750 mA)
2 Ground
3 Stereo Sync

Manufacturers doing their proprietary business?
post #255 of 5304
So the HD3300 is rated at 2000 lumens and 5000:1 contrast ratio versus 1800 lumens and 4000:1 contrast ratio. I wonder how they came up with those numbers if the components seem to be identical.
post #256 of 5304
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

it's odd, since most 3D projectors have the 3 pin VESA port for the 3D emitters, yet Sony chose to use an RJ45 connection instead on the HW30. I am trying to find the pin-outs so I can make a custom 3 Pin DIN -> RJ45 connector.

Even if HW is same - would there be any differences in the sw implementation or how exactly the sync trigger itself is changed (timings of the signal) ? I guess the only way to figure out the compatibility is to actually try it out. Atleast things won't blow up ...
post #257 of 5304
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

So the HD3300 is rated at 2000 lumens and 5000:1 contrast ratio versus 1800 lumens and 4000:1 contrast ratio. I wonder how they came up with those numbers if the components seem to be identical.

They have a room for testing these. I was told Ansi Cr is 500.1 a pretty good number which adds to the pop of about 85% of low mid to high brightness scenes.
post #258 of 5304
What I was trying to say was I wonder what is physically different about the hd3300 so that it has increased contrast and brightness.
post #259 of 5304
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

What I was trying to say was I wonder what is physically different about the hd3300 so that it has increased contrast and brightness.

I was wondering the same thing. Cause if there is no real differences other than the black casing and the extended warranty, I would opt for the HD33.
post #260 of 5304
Thread Starter 
There's better parts in the HD3300. I know it sounds funny buts that's how they do it, make a better machine. Best lens, best boards, best lamps, best light engine etc.
post #261 of 5304
Do you know this for a fact, or is it just conjecture? Most often manufacturers just change the specs a little just to differentiate the more expensive CEDIA version. However, the CEDIA versions sometimes do include better access to "controls", and often better warranties.

PS It is highly unlikely that either of these units will perform up to spec (i.e. the lower spec) once calibrated.
post #262 of 5304
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Originally Posted by Raul GS View Post
Do you know this for a fact, or is it just conjecture? Most often manufacturers just change the specs a little just to differentiate the more expensive CEDIA version. However, the CEDIA versions sometimes do include better access to "controls", and often better warranties.
Usually higher warranties mean better parts selection (otherwise they will spend more on warranty repairs than the extra money they get).
post #263 of 5304
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Originally Posted by Smackrabbit View Post
One thing I didn't see mentioned was if you feed it 1080p24, do you have the option to do 5:5 pulldown and keep the film look, or are the only choices to have it converted to 60p or to use frame interpolation and lose the film look?
Page 50 of the HD3300 owner's manual has a chart with the various resolutions for 2D and 1080p24 is indeed mentioned. It's also referenced for 3D on page 51.
post #264 of 5304
Thread Starter 
Do you know this for a fact, or is it just conjecture?

That's what the engineer told me when I asked today. If money's a problem go for the HD33. If the deal on the HD3300 is great better snag that first.

Talk to AVS first.
post #265 of 5304
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post
Do you know this for a fact, or is it just conjecture?

That's what the engineer told me when I asked today. I money's a problem go for the HD33. If the deal on the HD3300 is great better snag that first.

Talk to AVS first.
Other than better contrast and lumens, is there any advantage to get the ISF calibration controls on HD3300 ? Guitarman, did you have to play with those ?

Also i talked to AVS and was pleasantly surprised at the price for both 3300 and 8300....however sales tax waters down these great deals for me

Given that 8300 is not as expensive as the news says, just curious if it gives best bang for the extra buck ? It has impressive 50000:1 contrast ratio but puny 1500 lumens...wondering how bad the 3D would be at such low lumens.

Guitarman do you plan to review 8300 also ?
post #266 of 5304
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post
Xpand 103's (upper left)
Monster Vision 3D (upper right - made by Bit Cauldron, same as the Optoma glasses)
Sony TDG-PJ1 (lower left)
Nvidia 3D vision (lower right)
where can we buy only the Optoma RF glasses without the emitter ?
post #267 of 5304
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post
where can we buy only the Optoma RF glasses without the emitter ?
Best buy would have them.
post #268 of 5304
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post
Other than better contrast and lumens, is there any advantage to get the ISF calibration controls on HD3300 ? Guitarman, did you have to play with those ?

Also i talked to AVS and was pleasantly surprised at the price for both 3300 and 8300....however sales tax waters down these great deals for me

Given that 8300 is not as expensive as the news says, just curious if it gives best bang for the extra buck ? It has impressive 50000:1 contrast ratio but puny 1500 lumens...wondering how bad the 3D would be at such low lumens.

Guitarman do you plan to review 8300 also ?
I haven't asked for the code for those controls yet, when I get I can help out. This machine looks very good, great for 3D. I plan to buy this one. They may send me the HD8300, they would if I asked. The platform it's based off of had a very high ansi contrast up near 800.1, it's iris was a little more noticable at times. The HD8600 was at a different level, maybe they'll add 3D to that platform. I'll ask about it.

By the way the HD3300 HD33 is brand new platform, not based off any of the previous models like the HD72 or others of similar look or style they made.
post #269 of 5304
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

where can we buy only the Optoma RF glasses without the emitter ?

When the HD3300 and the HD8300 land (approx. 2 weeks). The glasses and emitters will be available in separates. We do have a pre-order list. Many looking forward to review. Me too!!
post #270 of 5304
DLPlink requires a white/clear segment flash. Slower wheels have a clear segment for this. For this to happen with RGB/RGB, I'm assuming it's done through combined color flash--which would require a faster wheel, so another reason for 6x wheel--my opinion.
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