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post #2461 of 5229
11/4/11 at 2:43am
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I calibrated on a game (witcher 2), since it's easier to test depth and such without having to go backwards through a movie, if I want a pop out, I just stand near something etc.

I changed it a couple of times, the first time I had no more ghosting in The Witcher, but when I put on Toy Story 2 and the pixar logo in the beginning was full of double blue ghosting. The latest setting seems to cover both movies and games, though I suspect resolution is a factor as well.

Games run in 720p-60hz mostly, whilst movies are 1080p 24hz. This difference in resolution changes the ammount of ghosting. I still have to test my PS3 now, because I expect it may yet be different on that platform.

I'm really happy with the optoma, but all this clowning around with the RF glasses is starting to annoy me, with no presets and the cumbersome activity of hooking up your laptop each time to calibrate is a no-go. As I understand the older IR glasses did not have these issues.

You have confirmed my fear that different sources/content are going to require tweaking each time.

All in all pretty poor glasses i think. It just does not seem possible to get the sync 100% right.

Also because the lenses are concave, if you look at text through certain parts of the lens, it appears out of focus, now how are you supposed to get the perfect 3d pop if the lens is focusing like that.


I am going to find a pair of DLP Link and compare.
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post #2462 of 5229
11/4/11 at 5:15am
I also got tired of tuning the RF's and have been testing the True Depth 3d dlp link rechargeable glasses all week. I am wishing I had tried these sooner, cant say enough good things about them they just work great and are very light and comfortable. I much prefer the image quality of these over the RFs in side by side testing so far.
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post #2463 of 5229
11/4/11 at 7:29am
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ekscden,

could you please elaborate on why you chose the HD33 over the Epson 3010? I'm curious of your opinion since you've seen both.

Thanks!

To my eyes, in every aspect...sharpness, perceived contrast, color richness, brightness, the Optoma was clearly better. Over the course of the few days I experimented, I had others compare and the difference between the two was noticeable to them. The Epson just seemed like it had a veil over the image, and parts of the image were either bright or dark with very little of the detail in between that the Optoma showed. No disrespect to those who prefer the Epson, but I think the dlp sharpness and depth really walk all over lcd. Even the Epson I had showed significant panel misalignment, yet the Optoma was dead on from corner to corner. I even saw a Sony HW30 at BB and was not as impressed as I am with the Optoma...that says alot.
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post #2464 of 5229
11/4/11 at 7:47am
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To my eyes, in every aspect...sharpness, perceived contrast, color richness, brightness, the Optoma was clearly better. Over the course of the few days I experimented, I had others compare and the difference between the two was noticeable to them. The Epson just seemed like it had a veil over the image, and parts of the image were either bright or dark with very little of the detail in between that the Optoma showed. No disrespect to those who prefer the Epson, but I think the dlp sharpness and depth really walk all over lcd. Even the Epson I had showed significant panel misalignment, yet the Optoma was dead on from corner to corner. I even saw a Sony HW30 at BB and was not as impressed as I am with the Optoma...that says alot.

I think the Optoma is great as well, but I think it's important to ask whether your decision was made based on out-of-the box performance or after calibration. That could change a lot of things.
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post #2465 of 5229
11/4/11 at 8:59am
Hi guys. Need help here. I fired up my HD33 tonight after getting myself a screen. I couldn't get a focus from corner to corner. I focus top left, bottom right is out of focus and vice versa. The difference is pretty significant. Screen is perfectly flat, torpedo leveled.

Any clues? It was a total anti climax for me. (
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post #2466 of 5229
11/4/11 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by teohwk View Post

Hi guys. Need help here. I fired up my HD33 tonight after getting myself a screen. I couldn't get a focus from corner to corner. I focus top left, bottom right is out of focus and vice versa. The difference is pretty significant. Screen is perfectly flat, torpedo leveled.

Any clues? It was a total anti climax for me. (

My HD3300 is sharp across the whole screen, so sounds like you might need to send that one back. If your grid pattern is perfectly square to your screen, you can probably rule out any beam misalignment and your screen must be flat. Sounds like something is wrong with your optics.

These things happen, switch it out is what I would do.
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post #2467 of 5229
11/4/11 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by ekscden View Post

To my eyes, in every aspect...sharpness, perceived contrast, color richness, brightness, the Optoma was clearly better. Over the course of the few days I experimented, I had others compare and the difference between the two was noticeable to them. The Epson just seemed like it had a veil over the image, and parts of the image were either bright or dark with very little of the detail in between that the Optoma showed. No disrespect to those who prefer the Epson, but I think the dlp sharpness and depth really walk all over lcd. Even the Epson I had showed significant panel misalignment, yet the Optoma was dead on from corner to corner. I even saw a Sony HW30 at BB and was not as impressed as I am with the Optoma...that says alot.

This is what I've been stating all along. If the two projectors were throwing up the same image next to each other people 90% of the time would prefer the Optoma. It's the higher native contrast and higher ansi contrast that make the image look deeper more solid. A flat image doesn't stand a chance.
Welcome back.
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post #2468 of 5229
11/4/11 at 12:07pm
Hey guys check out Megamind, the best 3D I've seen in an animated film so far!
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post #2469 of 5229
11/4/11 at 12:14pm
after searching and searching....i havent seen anyone really talk about the true difference between the hd33 and hd3300 ( aside from the warranty). Ive decided to go with the optoma and was about to pull the trigger. I was just curious as to which should I buY. I read 3300 has more lumens? In anycase any advice so I can purchase today .
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post #2470 of 5229
11/4/11 at 12:25pm
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Choose by the price difference for your area, if it's just a hundred bucks pick the HD3300, $500 bucks pick the HD33.
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post #2471 of 5229
11/4/11 at 12:44pm
Mine locked up for the 2nd time today. Was watching step up 3d and the 3d just stopped. pic without glasses had that red tinge so it was still in that mode but displaying same image to both eyes apparently. weird. wouldn't respond to remote. had to pull pwr plug. tried to restart immediately to cool bulb but it would try, then give up, then try again so i pulled plug again. This happened once before when i was switching back and forth from 2d ps3 screen to 3d movie a lot. Any suggestion to keep from ruining lamp when this happens?
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post #2472 of 5229
11/4/11 at 1:12pm
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Do you have a high speed 3D ready hdmi cable set up?
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post #2473 of 5229
11/4/11 at 1:49pm
Excellent point. First time yes, second time, no. I'll try the high speed again...
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post #2474 of 5229
11/4/11 at 3:40pm
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High speed all the way, I run high speeds to the switching receiver and high speed from the amp to the PJ.
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post #2475 of 5229
11/4/11 at 4:09pm
Gotta love power outages. Power just went out and of course my HD3300 was on. Had one solid light on and one blinking on the back. I read in the manual to hold the up arrow on the remote for 10 seconds, this would exit the error mode. The light stopped blinking. Now, I just need to wait a while for the lamp to cool down, before restarting. Must be my day for bad luck. One pair of the RF glasses I have, stopped working. Red LED will not turn on. Tried everything, so just got off the phone with visual apex for a replacement pair, they were awesome btw. Sending a new pair out Monday.
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post #2476 of 5229
11/4/11 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

Choose by the price difference for your area, if it's just a hundred bucks pick the HD3300, $500 bucks pick the HD33.

well its literally 200 buck difference from what im seeing... so its not performance rather the warranty?
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post #2477 of 5229
11/4/11 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by hawaiitaco View Post

well its literally 200 buck difference from what im seeing... so its not performance rather the warranty?

Per the Optoma website it has a little more performance, but no one that I know of has tested them both side by side. It is also supposed to have better inspected parts from what Guitarman's friend told him who works at Optoma. It also has a black case instead of white, and has ISF settings if you want to hire a pro to set it up for you. Then you add in a 3 year replacement warranty and I believe a 2 year bulb warranty. Its worth the extra $200 to me so I bought one. Been very happy so far, no issues and throws a great image.


Good luck!
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post #2478 of 5229
11/4/11 at 8:32pm
Well in 2 minutes I am buying an HD33 while it's 10% off. Upgrading from a Sanyo Z4 and using a Dalite High Contrast Damat gray screen. Screen has a lower .8 gain but the added light output from this projector should make up for it. Wish me luck. Research is over and it's all your fault guitarman!

I want very good 2d and 3d performance, the HD33 seems to fit the bill according to finally long awaited publicized reviews.

No wifey to nag me with the purchase so i am taking the plunge
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post #2479 of 5229
11/4/11 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by blastermaster View Post

I think the Optoma is great as well, but I think it's important to ask whether your decision was made based on out-of-the box performance or after calibration. That could change a lot of things.

Since we're on the 33 page, I feel safe to just say that there ain't no tweaking or calibrating that was going to make the 3010 look as good to me. Just watched the Shining on Blu Ray and was loving it!
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post #2480 of 5229
11/4/11 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by hawaiitaco View Post

after searching and searching....i havent seen anyone really talk about the true difference between the hd33 and hd3300 ( aside from the warranty). Ive decided to go with the optoma and was about to pull the trigger. I was just curious as to which should I buY. I read 3300 has more lumens? In anycase any advice so I can purchase today .

I had spoken with AVAD which is Optoma's distributor and was told that mechanically, the 33 and 3300 are identical. The only difference he noted was the case color and warranty, but as to whether the internals are hand picked or better it was a big no.
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post #2481 of 5229
11/4/11 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by teohwk View Post

Hi guys. Need help here. I fired up my HD33 tonight after getting myself a screen. I couldn't get a focus from corner to corner. I focus top left, bottom right is out of focus and vice versa. The difference is pretty significant. Screen is perfectly flat, torpedo leveled.

Any clues? It was a total anti climax for me. (

Confirm the PJ is level in all directions and square to the screen surface.
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post #2482 of 5229
11/4/11 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by ekscden View Post

I had spoken with AVAD which is Optoma's distributor and was told that mechanically, the 33 and 3300 are identical. The only difference he noted was the case color and warranty, but as to whether the internals are hand picked or better it was a big no.

You should have asked why Optoma has different performance specs between the two on their website and see what he would have said to that question.

Im curious myself...lol maybe the slick black case is giving it an extra 100 lumens and 1000 extra contrast?
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post #2483 of 5229
11/4/11 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by Matt in Houston View Post

You should have asked why Optoma has different performance specs between the two on their website and see what he would have said to that question.

Im curious myself...lol maybe the slick black case is giving it an extra 100 lumens and 1000 extra contrast?

lol....in any case...i decided to go with the hd33.....after the debate between the epson and optoma....i just gave in...got sick of waiting....i need more lumens but thats only during the day....most of my tv watching is at night...so my most important thing would be the input lag...and DONE.....hope it works out for me.....now on to the next purchase....glasses
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post #2484 of 5229
11/4/11 at 9:59pm
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Originally Posted by Matt in Houston View Post

You should have asked why Optoma has different performance specs between the two on their website and see what he would have said to that question.

Im curious myself...lol maybe the slick black case is giving it an extra 100 lumens and 1000 extra contrast?

I did and he paused for a noticeable moment and then said that the 3300 had additional calibration parameters that would make it look better. He referred to the ISF calibration certification or something. Since I just adjust it to look good to me, I took that as a sign to just get a 33 and just start enjoying watching movies instead of analysis paralysis.
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post #2485 of 5229
11/4/11 at 10:07pm
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Try some of the colorfacts numbers in the first post of this thread. I put two gamma styles, Cinema film gamma is 2.2gamma for digital projectors. Cinema Standard gamma is a darker CRT type 2.5 gamma. Take your pick
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post #2486 of 5229
11/4/11 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by power View Post

Well in 2 minutes I am buying an HD33 while it's 10% off. Upgrading from a Sanyo Z4 and using a Dalite High Contrast Damat gray screen. Screen has a lower .8 gain but the added light output from this projector should make up for it. Wish me luck. Research is over and it's all your fault guitarman!

I want very good 2d and 3d performance, the HD33 seems to fit the bill according to finally long awaited publicized reviews.

No wifey to nag me with the purchase so i am taking the plunge

Your screen will help 2D look better. The projector still has brightness to spare for 3D, i'll bet 3D will look rich on that screen, let us know how good.
Welcome to DLP type contrast, see what you think.
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post #2487 of 5229
11/5/11 at 1:16am
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Originally Posted by dyerboy View Post

You have confirmed my fear that different sources/content are going to require tweaking each time.

All in all pretty poor glasses i think. It just does not seem possible to get the sync 100% right.

Also because the lenses are concave, if you look at text through certain parts of the lens, it appears out of focus, now how are you supposed to get the perfect 3d pop if the lens is focusing like that.


I am going to find a pair of DLP Link and compare.

Let me know how you find them. It sucks because I don't think you can use 'm both right? Otherwise I'd just buy an extra set for myself.
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post #2488 of 5229
11/5/11 at 3:28am
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Originally Posted by shappy1010 View Post

Let me know how you find them. It sucks because I don't think you can use 'm both right? Otherwise I'd just buy an extra set for myself.

You can use both at the same time. Try switching to DLP link in the 3d settings then inverting the sync.

RF still works, apparently this adds a red tint to the picture but i saw no difference really.

Ordering ZD201 on Monday. Unfortunately the highly recommended True depth are not available over here (UK).
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post #2489 of 5229
11/5/11 at 5:53am
I just hope I see no ghosting with 3d on my lower gain gray screen. It is well tensioned since i have the dasnap model. We shall see...
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post #2490 of 5229
11/5/11 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by hawaiitaco View Post

lol....in any case...i decided to go with the hd33.....after the debate between the epson and optoma....i just gave in...got sick of waiting....i need more lumens but thats only during the day....most of my tv watching is at night...so my most important thing would be the input lag...and DONE.....hope it works out for me.....now on to the next purchase....glasses

Do yourself another favor and look at the True Depth 3D rechargeable DLP-Link glasses. I have them and they look and work better than the Optoma RF's that I also have. My wife thinks they are more comfortable too.
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