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post #331 of 5236
8/29/11 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by Matt in Houston View Post

The true buy in for the HD3300 is actually quite a bit less, call AVS and see.

Im looking forward to mine...and although I can afford to spend more, I figure since this is my first projector I will be blown away regardless and I can just spend the saved money toward a second row of seats.

Thanks Matt and it is true. One of the biggest improvements that I have seen for black levels, for me, was improving my room. Reducing reflections by making all surfaces a dark flat color and the large velvet masking panels that I have, just don't let a lot of light reflect back on to the screen. I still have the bars, but even with a lowly 13,000:1 projector (Viewsonic Pro8100) the bars look black and not gray.
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post #332 of 5236
8/29/11 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

I am disappointed at Art's review.....he talks about cross-talk and i swear i dont see it on my HD66 with DLP-link.....wonder what he used for 3D glasses...RF or DLP-link ?

In his blog he only talks about 2D viewing. Has Art posted his 3D review of this projector yet?
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post #333 of 5236
8/29/11 at 4:36pm
Art's review is up. Scroll down on his homepage.
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post #334 of 5236
8/29/11 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

Black levels are fine and about on par with my mits hc6500 I compared them. Blacks are better on the Sharp Z3000 I have but I wouldn't want to use high contrast iris it's too dark, mediums ok.

It all comes down to how does the picture look. I watched The Wolfman it's dark and it looked great. Dark stuff on the 3D Alice in Wonderland looked even better you'd swear CR is 1000000.1. Blacks in some of Art's pictures look great, so do mine.

Ok, Are you still watching on the 106" 1 gain screen? I've noticed on the ACER 5360 (and others have too), that even 720p looks more like 1080p in 3D and contrast was quite adequate for a 3000:1 projector. How's the resolution impact to you. Is it better than 2D?
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post #335 of 5236
8/29/11 at 5:16pm
So how are the black levels in 2d v Epson 8350? Also what is the offset and does it have lens shift?
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post #336 of 5236
8/29/11 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by evnow View Post

Art's review is less glowing than Guitarman's. Could the difference be 33 vs 3300 ? For eg. 33 doesn't have color/tint adjustments unlike 3300.

I think you guys are being a little critical of Art's review after all he did give it a hot product award.
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post #337 of 5236
8/29/11 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by deez View Post

So how are the black levels in 2d v Epson 8350? Also what is the offset and does it have lens shift?

No it does not have lens shift. A 1.5k 3D DLP projector with lens shift, would fly off the shelves. Per Art the HD33 does not have as good black levels as the 8350. The offset for a 100" image is 7.8"
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post #338 of 5236
8/29/11 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

I think you guys are being a little critical of Art's review after all he did give it a hot product award.

projectorreview for me is by far the best site of projector reviews....like hdtvtest is for tv´s.

the reviews are not superficial like projectorcentral and seem much more realistic in terms of performance in IQ. for some reason projectorreview take much more time to do a review than projector central.

about optoma HD33 is an excelent projector for someone who will want see some/lot of 3D stuff but for people who want especialy view 2D content dont make much sense buying HD33 because exist better for less and much better for same price.

this is based from what i read in projectorreview
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post #339 of 5236
8/29/11 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

I think you guys are being a little critical of Art's review after all he did give it a hot product award.

It's just that Guitarman got the same projector to look so much better than Art did (at least when comparing some of the pictures provided by both Guitarman and Art). Also, there seem to be some (subjective perhaps) discrepancy as to the amount of (or lack therof) crosstalk/ghosting present in 3D viewing.
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post #340 of 5236
8/29/11 at 5:33pm
No surprises with the review, it is what I expected. With no Iris, low contrast is to be expected. I seriously doubt the unit can do 4000:1. It can't even match the Epson 8350 in contrast, that pretty much says it all. It is still the lowest cost 1080P 3D projector on the market with FI to boot! What do you guys think the manufactures are going to give you for $1500? They have to leave out some goodies,in order to sell the higher end units.
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post #341 of 5236
8/29/11 at 6:01pm
Has anyone here ever seen crosstalk on a 3d dlp display before?
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post #342 of 5236
8/29/11 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

Has anyone here ever seen crosstalk on a 3d dlp display before?

i bet not many have seen any 3D DLP at all. xD
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post #343 of 5236
8/29/11 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post


No it does not have lens shift. A 1.5k 3D DLP projector with lens shift, would fly off the shelves. Per Art the HD33 does not have as good black levels as the 8350. The offset for a 100" image is 7.8"

So in an 8fy cieling at 106in screen the offset would be?
Thanks, but there is more to the image than black level. I had tje hd20, are black levels as good?
Im kinda regretting my 8350 purchase. Im hoping bestbuy will get these units so I can yrade in. I thoght ofgetting the mits 4000 but the offset would be too much?
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post #344 of 5236
8/29/11 at 6:27pm
I also have a 106" screen. Offset 8".
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post #345 of 5236
8/29/11 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by atabea View Post

Guitarman, once and for all, just how much ghosting/crosstalk are you seeing???????. I agree with some of posts here----something is curously off with the difference in 3d performance. Could it just be the hd33 is so vastly inferior to the hd3300??


Wing said with this high speed of processing in a DLP machine you won't see ghosting. He can't and has special tests to try to bring out the problem. I haven't seen anything but I'm not a 3D expert, new to it. I just watched Residents Evil off the Comcast HD box and thought it looked good. 3D adds a page of fun to a movie.
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post #346 of 5236
8/29/11 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by p_sousa View Post

i bet not many have seen any 3D DLP at all. xD

I'm talking about both projectors and rear-projection tv's. I just never heard anyone who owned any one of these ever complain about ghosting. I had an Acer dlp and saw no ghosting on it. Hard to believe that all of a sudden ghosting will appear on a dlp.
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post #347 of 5236
8/29/11 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

I'm talking about both projectors and rear-projection tv's. I just never heard anyone who owned any one of these ever complain about ghosting. I had an Acer dlp and saw no ghosting on it. Hard to believe that all of a sudden ghosting will appear on a dlp.

I dont see crosstalk in HD66 even in the most stringent scenes with bright objects against dark backgrounds (this is with DLP-link....never tried RF glasses). On 3D-TV's I almost always saw the crosstalk and thats the reason i went with DLP projector.

The reason I was disappointed with Art's review is that he talks about cross-talk and I cannot comprehend why a newer model will be worse and also its not clear if he sees it obviously or is he running some stringent tests to bring it out.

Also I am now getting suspicious if HD33 is same as HD3300 as everyone thought ?
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post #348 of 5236
8/29/11 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

Wing said with this high speed of processing in a DLP machine you won't see ghosting. He can't and has special tests to try to bring out the problem. I haven't seen anything but I'm not a 3D expert, new to it. I just watched Residents Evil off the Comcast HD box and thought it looked good. 3D adds a page of fun to a movie.

Thanks Guitarman, just wanted to confirm that you, an actual owner, have not experienced ghosting. Projector central and projector reviews claim to have experienced it with the HD 33. Perhaps the HD3300 really is a completely different animal. However, I just can't imagine that the two would be so drastically different insofar as 3D is concerned. I can understand the difference in 2D performance since (as I understand it) there are more tweaking options in the HD3300. With 3D---not so much.

appreciate you keeping us informed.

atabea
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post #349 of 5236
8/29/11 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

I dont see crosstalk in HD66 even in the most stringent scenes with bright objects against dark backgrounds (this is with DLP-link....never tried RF glasses). On 3D-TV's I almost always saw the crosstalk and thats the reason i went with DLP projector.

The reason I was disappointed with Art's review is that he talks about cross-talk and I cannot comprehend why a newer model will be worse and also its not clear if he sees it obviously or is he running some stringent tests to bring it out.

Also I am now getting suspicious if HD33 is same as HD3300 as everyone thought ?

Naah they're both the same, Art must be seeing things. Wing said his test video's could not bring out and video problems. The guys in China said the HD33 compared to the Sharp Z17000 and in some ways better. If you have to wait till a few more members get their machines delivered.
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post #350 of 5236
8/29/11 at 7:36pm
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"On 3D-TV's I almost always saw the crosstalk and thats the reason i went with DLP projector."

I did see that on a Panasonic panel TV 3D setup at best buys so I know what you're talking about. It was really unwatchable. I see nothing like that on this DLP projector.
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post #351 of 5236
8/29/11 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

"I see nothing like that on this DLP projector.

That's exactly what I find interesting. You see no Crosstalk, yet two professional reviewers claim to have seen it to some degree. Makes one wonder what those other guys are seeing.
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post #352 of 5236
8/29/11 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

Naah they're both the same, Art must be seeing things. Wing said his test video's could not bring out and video problems. The guys in China said the HD33 compared to the Sharp Z17000 and in some ways better. If you have to wait till a few more members get their machines delivered.

Thanks Guitarman for reaffirming this. However, my concern is that your screen shots from HD3300 are fabulous while Art's HD33 are not. So wondering if you have used any ISF controls not available on HD33 ?
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post #353 of 5236
8/29/11 at 8:59pm
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Maybe Colorfacts is better than Cal man.
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post #354 of 5236
8/29/11 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by evnow View Post

I think that is because in HD33 you can't adjust tint or hue or advanced gamma std. If you see the first post of this thread, guitarman has adjusted the color and gamma during calibration.

Looking at Art's menu images, Gamma and Color controls that guitarman showed here are available on HD33. This confirms what he told earlier that he "has not accessed the ISF controls on HD3300 as he doesnt have the codes"
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post #355 of 5236
8/29/11 at 9:11pm
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No that's not it. I noticed tonight when sending 1080i 60hz from comcast I didn't have color or tint control. When I first setup the projector I used the Sony 3D player I bought in 1080p 24hz and did have color and tint control which was useful because I increased the color but nothing needed on tint.
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post #356 of 5236
8/29/11 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

No that's not it. I noticed tonight when sending 1080i 60hz from comcast I didn't have color or tint control.

I am confused...are you saying you have used special controls not available on HD33 ?
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post #357 of 5236
8/29/11 at 9:22pm
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No I didn't open the ISF area it's locked. I could if I wanted but you can tune the projector fine from the user area. You can adjust 2D, you can even adjust 3D but again we have no 3D DVE yet. I think Joe Kane is working on it, come one Joe we need it.

The only thing I can think of is Art must have been sending a 1080i 60hz signal. A signal very much like the Cable TV I'm watching which deletes out the color and tint control.
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post #358 of 5236
8/30/11 at 3:37am
Previous Optoma DLP projectors seem to only use DLP-link. Is DLP-link less susceptible to crosstalk than the RF method of syncing, since it outputs a flash that separates successive frames? Is it possible to see a difference with the different types of glasses?
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post #359 of 5236
8/30/11 at 3:52am
I doubt it. I used both ir and dlp link on my Acer with 3dxl. Both had no ghosting.
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post #360 of 5236
8/30/11 at 5:26am
I have the ACER and no ghosting ever (have used mostly dlplink, but also IR), and most 720p 3D projectors do not have this issue, however, others have complained of ghosting on early 1080p 3D projectors, though. It might have to do with how much time it takes to present a full left or right eye image of 1080p data as compared with 720p, that leaves some residual effect for each eye.
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