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post #4201 of 5232
Shappy -

I've never tried PC 3d output, but the fact that you have to toggle to 720p and then back to 1080p in 3d reminds me of an issue i have with puremotion in 3d, where i have to toggle it on and then back off for it be truly disabled in 3d mode on the Optoma. This was not fixed with CO4 firmware for me.

On a side note, I can't get 3d looking anywhere close to how good it looked before i sent my unit in. Default 3d settings as well as CVH's settings (which looked great for me on my old setup) just look totally washed out color-wise, and white detail is totally blown out. Adjusting the whites and blacks to a point where detail isn't crushed makes for an extremely flat picture.

Even in 2d, something looks "different" to me since getting C04 firmware.
post #4202 of 5232
Thread Starter 
3D should be 1080p24ps. Plus you should be using a high speed cable.
post #4203 of 5232
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

3D should be 1080p24ps. Plus you should be using a high speed cable.

3d content from some PS3 games are 720p
post #4204 of 5232
Thread Starter 
Right most of them are but if he's setting his computer to 1080p120hz for 3D the projector won't like it.
post #4205 of 5232
Thread Starter 
Maybe this can help it's from the early days of this thread.

Here's Wings answer re 720p 120hz.

"It can take 720p at 120Hz signal and internally upconvert to 1080p 120hz but it cannot take 1080p at 120Hz signal from external source –not part of HDMI 1,4a 3D format

– current Bu-ray 3D format is frame packing 1080p at 24 Hz – as according to HDMI 1.4a – user has the choice to keep it at 24 Hz or add frame interpolation."
post #4206 of 5232
Oleus
"Even in 2d, something looks "different" to me since getting C04 firmware."

Just an update on my optomas customer service so far. It has been fantastic. I followed the instructions online to receive my RMA and proof of purchase. I downloaded the form and explained the problems of blurriness and image out of focus issues. I sent the email with RMA request form. The very next morning I received a response that the RMA has been processed. The customer service tech named Joshua Bayer attached the RMA service sheet they processed in order for me to print out and place inside the box. He explained to write RMA number on outside of box.

I had several questions after the first email and he responded back within 30 minutes. I sent him a total of 3 emails with questions and each time Joshua Bayer replied within 30min. My final question I asked is that I forgot to include on the RMA request form that I also had focus ring issues where the focus ring seemed loose and shifted the image each time I tried focusing. I also asked that they must not update my firmware from CO3 to CO4. He replied that he had added those concerns on the RMA to let tech take a look at it. All this correspondance took place this morning until noonish. Like Oleaus commented above, I just don't want to chance it in something changing my picture quality, which I just love and very satisfied with.

so far so good. I mentioned to Joshua that his customer service has been excellent. I will mail my HD33 first thing in the morning and keep you all updated. I hope this helps you guys.
post #4207 of 5232
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Originally Posted by rekbones View Post

I just got the HD33 upgrading from an Epson 6100. My setup is a dark theater setup with 110" screen, Denon 1912 receiver, PS3, HTPC with gforce 430.

Where is the projector placed and how far from the screen? Did you have to rely on digital keystone to get a rectangular shot? I'm being brainwashed that Lens Shift is the way to go but there aren't any 'cheap' 3d lens shift projectors
post #4208 of 5232
cvh - that's good to hear. keep us posted.

FWIW, i just got back from seeing my first ever 3d movie in the theater (believe it or not, yes i know i'm late). I know it was a conversion, but Avengers in the theater in 3d didn't look anywhere near as good as the HD33/3300 is capable of doing. Not even close. I saw some ghosting, the depth was just so-so and overall it was actually a little headache inducing. The movie was tons of fun, but the experience was encouraging in terms of how much better I think the Optoma is capable of in 3d that the theater (at least the theater I was at).
post #4209 of 5232
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

cvh - that's good to hear. keep us posted.

FWIW, i just got back from seeing my first ever 3d movie in the theater (believe it or not, yes i know i'm late). I know it was a conversion, but Avengers in the theater in 3d didn't look anywhere near as good as the HD33/3300 is capable of doing. Not even close. I saw some ghosting, the depth was just so-so and overall it was actually a little headache inducing. The movie was tons of fun, but the experience was encouraging in terms of how much better I think the Optoma is capable of in 3d that the theater (at least the theater I was at).

I will have to agree. I have not been to an Imax 3D movie for a while. The Imax movie was great, but I was not blown away by the experience because I already experienced it similar to my home theater with HD33. I sat all the way at the back of the theater. Similar screen experience and 3D effect.

Now I will say the Imax 3D Avengers was awesome. Better than My setup, but not by much.
Yes, HD33 with a 125" Screen sitting at 14ft away in 3D with great surround sound really rocks.
post #4210 of 5232
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Originally Posted by cvh View Post

I will have to agree. I have not been to an Imax 3D movie for a while. The Imax movie was great, but I was not blown away by the experience because I already experienced it similar to my home theater with HD33. I sat all the way at the back of the theater. Similar screen experience and 3D effect.

Now I will say the Imax 3D Avengers was awesome. Better than My setup, but not by much.
Yes, HD33 with a 125" Screen sitting at 14ft away in 3D with great surround sound really rocks.

I didn't see it in Imax, just "real-d" which looked like my setup if i put it slightly out of focus and flattened the image a bit. It wasn't terrible, the movie made up for it. I'm really curious to see this disc when it comes out later this year. Everyone complained about how dark Thor and Capt. America were in the theaters and I thought the discs look surprisingly good for conversions.

I felt a LOT more eye strain in the theater. I almost still feel like my eyes are a bit tense. Is this normal? I guess today's experience makes me more inclined to wait for the home release... since it's taken me this long to see a 3d movie in the theater that isn't going to require a big adjustment in my plans :-)
post #4211 of 5232
Quick update... Received my HD3300 today and it's perfect out the box!!! Near perfect light uniformity and sharp as a tack in all 4 corners. Now this proves (at least in my head) that there's a big manufacturing difference between the HD33 and the HD3300. So glad that I upgraded!!
post #4212 of 5232
So sad!! Now im confused as hell.

I want 3d,Gaming, and wanted to stick around 1500.

My first choice was Epson 3010, but heard about the lag, so scratch that.

I got steered to the HD33, and now the whole blurring in the corners that was just reported has me spooked!!!

Now what?
post #4213 of 5232
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

So sad!! Now im confused as hell.

I want 3d,Gaming, and wanted to stick around 1500.

My first choice was Epson 3010, but heard about the lag, so scratch that.

I got steered to the HD33, and now the whole blurring in the corners that was just reported has me spooked!!!

Now what?

No corner blurring on mine. I love my HD33!
post #4214 of 5232
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

3D should be 1080p24ps. Plus you should be using a high speed cable.

24ps 3D is to slow for games. 720p 60p 3D is the standard for HDMI 1.4 for all games (in 3D it's actually 120hz packed). I do have a high speed cable, but there is a converter between the DVI port on my PC and the HDMI cable which may cause the problem, as my PS3 does not have this issue (connects straight to HDMI) it's weird though that the problem 'goes away' if I mess around with the resolution though.

@Urza
(PC) Games and the HD33 is awesome. Playing The Witcher 2 at the moment, and I am completely under it's spell, it's like you are actually there in the world of The Witcher, it's the closest thing to VR yet. - no blurry corners here.
post #4215 of 5232
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Originally Posted by stevedawg85 View Post

Where is the projector placed and how far from the screen? Did you have to rely on digital keystone to get a rectangular shot? I'm being brainwashed that Lens Shift is the way to go but there aren't any 'cheap' 3d lens shift projectors

I have it ceiling mounted about 12.5 feet back (made my own ceiling mount to get it as close to the ceiling as possible) almost maxed out the zoom to fill the screen. top of picture is about 10" from 8' ceiling. no keystone needed. there s the acer h9500 has some lense shift but its $500 more (would have been my choice if they were closer in price)
post #4216 of 5232
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

Shappy -

I've never tried PC 3d output, but the fact that you have to toggle to 720p and then back to 1080p in 3d reminds me of an issue i have with puremotion in 3d, where i have to toggle it on and then back off for it be truly disabled in 3d mode on the Optoma. This was not fixed with CO4 firmware for me.

On a side note, I can't get 3d looking anywhere close to how good it looked before i sent my unit in. Default 3d settings as well as CVH's settings (which looked great for me on my old setup) just look totally washed out color-wise, and white detail is totally blown out. Adjusting the whites and blacks to a point where detail isn't crushed makes for an extremely flat picture.

Even in 2d, something looks "different" to me since getting C04 firmware.

my refurbed hd33 came with c04 do you think thats wy 3d looks so washed out. Does anyone know wy the color and tint disapear on ps3
post #4217 of 5232
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

So sad!! Now im confused as hell.

I want 3d,Gaming, and wanted to stick around 1500.

My first choice was Epson 3010, but heard about the lag, so scratch that.

I got steered to the HD33, and now the whole blurring in the corners that was just reported has me spooked!!!

Now what?

don't be worried. It is only a few with this issue. The majority have no issues.
post #4218 of 5232
Thanks!

I was thinking "Uh oh". Pouring through older posts, seems folks are happy with this projector in general.

Now to buy it, and steal all of CVH's settings
post #4219 of 5232
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Originally Posted by cvh View Post

don't be worried. It is only a few with this issue. The majority have no issues.

Agreed!! My experience with the HD33 must have been purely coincidental but still left me a bit sour.

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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

Thanks!

I was thinking "Uh oh". Pouring through older posts, seems folks are happy with this projector in general.

Now to buy it, and steal all of CVH's settings

So far Amazon does have the best price on the HD33 BUT being that you want to stay around $1500, give AVScience a call and inquire about the HD3300. You won't be dissapointed at the price!!!
post #4220 of 5232
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Originally Posted by chucky08016 View Post

Agreed!! My experience with the HD33 must have been purely coincidental but still left me a bit sour.



So far Amazon does have the best price on the HD33 BUT being that you want to stay around $1500, give AVScience a call and inquire about the HD3300. You won't be dissapointed at the price!!!

Thanks

1500 is not super strict, if I have to go a little more I can.

I have heard of the HD3300, and am trying to find out the difference. Will look thru this thread, everyone seems to push the HD33.
post #4221 of 5232
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Originally Posted by cvh View Post

don't be worried. It is only a few with this issue. The majority have no issues.

Well, i always thought it was an issue with the projector not being 100% parallel to my screen because of a slight offset - i can get great focus on a vast majority of the screen but if the center is in focus, something like the netflix info window in the upper left of the screen isn't 100% infocus if the center is.

If this this something people are actually getting RMA's for and they are indeed willing to fix it, i'm curious to hear the final results.

I had much worse corner blurring on my old infocus 7200 so i always figured it was a byproduct of my screen placement.
post #4222 of 5232
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

Thanks

1500 is not super strict, if I have to go a little more I can.

I have heard of the HD3300, and am trying to find out the difference. Will look thru this thread, everyone seems to push the HD33.

No need to dig through the thread.

Biggest differences besides having all of the best hand picked parts is as follows:

HD33
Case Color: White
Brightness: 1800 ANSI lumens
Contrast Ratio ( Typical ): 4000:1 (full on/full off)
Warranty: One-Year Limited Parts and Labor, 90-Days Lamp

HD3300
Case Color: Black
Brightness: 2000 ANSI lumens
Contrast Ratio ( Typical ): 5000:1 (full on/full off)
Warranty: 3-Year Optoma Express Replacement Service, 2-Year Lamp
post #4223 of 5232
Hey Guys,

Thanks so much (especially Guitarman) for keeping this thread going strong for so long. It's great to share the joy of making the jump to some respectable screen sizes!
I asked earlier if anyone had the link to the Monster software for adjusting the Optoma RF glasses with my PC but I guess I will have to go scan through the thread and find it for myself.
Also, I just ordered the Monoprice 2D-3D converter box and was wondering if anyone had any experience with using it with our projector? I have read reviews and one guy with a 3010 said it was not perfect but was definitely a nice option.

Cheers
post #4224 of 5232
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Originally Posted by chucky08016 View Post

No need to dig through the thread.

Biggest differences besides having all of the best hand picked parts is as follows:

HD33
Case Color: White
Brightness: 1800 ANSI lumens
Contrast Ratio ( Typical ): 4000:1 (full on/full off)
Warranty: One-Year Limited Parts and Labor, 90-Days Lamp

HD3300
Case Color: Black
Brightness: 2000 ANSI lumens
Contrast Ratio ( Typical ): 5000:1 (full on/full off)
Warranty: 3-Year Optoma Express Replacement Service, 2-Year Lamp

Does the HD3300 200 jump in brightness make a big difference for 3D that is easy to see over the HD33 ?
post #4225 of 5232
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Originally Posted by reechings View Post

Hey Guys,


I asked earlier if anyone had the link to the Monster software for adjusting the Optoma RF glasses with my PC but I guess I will have to go scan through the thread and find it for myself.

Cheers

Here you go:

www.monstercable.com/products/max3dutility


And the manual:

http://www.monsterproducts.com/lit/L...anual_A1Ln.pdf
post #4226 of 5232
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Originally Posted by reechings View Post

Hey Guys,


I asked earlier if anyone had the link to the Monster software for adjusting the Optoma RF glasses with my PC but I guess I will have to go scan through the thread and find it for myself.

Cheers

Here you go:

http://www.monsterproducts.com/lit/M...20Max%203D.zip


And the manual:

http://www.monsterproducts.com/lit/L...anual_A1Ln.pdf
post #4227 of 5232
If I had the extra cash, I may have gotten the hd3300. But I needed a white projector to blend into my white ceiling for a clean look. Guitarman will tell u the differences. Once my focus issue is fixed I will be very satisfied. Heck I was satisfied to begin with but I am anal about the slightest flaw. Once I noticed the blur in the left, it bugs me now.
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post #4228 of 5232
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Originally Posted by chucky08016 View Post

No need to dig through the thread.

Biggest differences besides having all of the best hand picked parts is as follows:

HD33
Case Color: White
Brightness: 1800 ANSI lumens
Contrast Ratio ( Typical ): 4000:1 (full on/full off)
Warranty: One-Year Limited Parts and Labor, 90-Days Lamp

HD3300
Case Color: Black
Brightness: 2000 ANSI lumens
Contrast Ratio ( Typical ): 5000:1 (full on/full off)
Warranty: 3-Year Optoma Express Replacement Service, 2-Year Lamp


Ahh thanks, your a great help as always.

I think the 3300 has lens shift as well correct?

Not sure if the differences are enough for me to plop an extra +500 bucks.

Decision's Decision's!
post #4229 of 5232
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

Not sure if the differences are enough for me to plop an extra +500 bucks.

Considering that out of warranty repair/lamp costs on projectors can easily surpass that at times, personally I feel the difference is well worth it on that fact alone, even ignoring the slightly beefed up specs.
post #4230 of 5232
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

Well, i always thought it was an issue with the projector not being 100% parallel to my screen because of a slight offset - i can get great focus on a vast majority of the screen but if the center is in focus, something like the netflix info window in the upper left of the screen isn't 100% infocus if the center is.

If this this something people are actually getting RMA's for and they are indeed willing to fix it, i'm curious to hear the final results.

I had much worse corner blurring on my old infocus 7200 so i always figured it was a byproduct of my screen placement.

I had an optoma tw610st 3d ready widescreen pj with 3100 lumens and had sharp focus all around. Loved the pj but hated the hassle of using pc for 3d. With the hd33, I levelled the pj and the screen both vertically and horizontally to chk for offset and still same problem.I used the test grid on the hd33 and can clearly see the lines that are focus and lines that have rgb convergence issues. That I decided it was pj.

I will keep you all posted on the results. Btw, shipped my pj to optoma at a cost of $40 from NC to CA with $1600 insured. Arrival date there is Wed. The 16th. I am in no hurry. Although I just purchased 4 3D movies the night before. Can't wait to see them. (imax Hubble 3d, Journey to center of earth, kungfu panda the first movie and megamind).
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