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post #4621 of 5304
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Originally Posted by STP88 View Post

Just purchased the HD33 last week. I could not plug in the color or tint numbers recommended by guitarman or CVH because there was no color or tint. They only show up only when I play a bluray disc. Is this a firmware issue? I've tried CVH's calibrated numbers because it's the closest to my setup (124" Seymour DIY screen, 1.2 gain, 14-15' projector, viewing about 12' away) but I have to say the picture isn't working out for me. The Cinema mode seems to give skin tone a very orangy look. It is still so bright! I have a headache! Any suggestions? How do I find which firmware I have?

Firmware can be found in HD33 main menu. Look in the top right hand corner. Should say CO2, or CO3 or CO4.
I re-calibrated my original settings and adjusted the color for a more natural look after using a calibration disk. If still too bright just lower the brightness. Link below.
____________________________________________________________________________________

This is for BLURAY 2D only.
My setup: 125" Elite 1.1 Gain Screen, projector ceiling mounted at 14ft from screen in a darkened room no ambient light

LAMP MODE: STD
DISPLAY MODE: User

CONTRAST: +5
BRIGHTNESS: -4 (lower if too bright)
SHARPNESS: 11
COLOR: 16
TINT: 0

ADVANCED:
GAMMA: film
Gamma Film Curve type: +2
Offset: +3

PURE ENGINE:
Pure Motion: off
Pure Detail: off
Pure Color: 0

COLOR SETTINGS:
Color Temp: Medium

RGB BIAS/GAIN:
Red Gain: 0
Green Gain: -2
Blue Gain: 0
Red Bias: +2
Green Bias: 0
Blue Bias: +2
post #4622 of 5304
how to get this 3d mode, if you mean by pressing 3d bottom this what i did but the sbs option was now avilable to activate it if there isanother way, kindly help me with it.
Thanks
post #4623 of 5304
Just bought a HD33. One thing I noticed is noticeable lag when playing movies from PC. I played Avatar ISO in powerdvd and the picture was lagging behind sound quite noticeably (like 1/2 sec). Also when using it as a computer monitor (desktop browsing), the mouse inputs are lagging good half a second too. I played a 2D game too briefly, same thing. Input lag is quiet annoying. Nothing like 40ms but rather 0.4sec. My PC is i7-950 @3.50Ghz, 6Gb RAM, 580GTX connected to Denon 1612.

From what I read this was supposed to be pretty lag-free PJ, so what gives?
post #4624 of 5304
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Originally Posted by Nuieve View Post

Just bought a HD33. One thing I noticed is noticeable lag when playing movies from PC. I played Avatar ISO in powerdvd and the picture was lagging behind sound quite noticeably (like 1/2 sec). Also when using it as a computer monitor (desktop browsing), the mouse inputs are lagging good half a second too. I played a 2D game too briefly, same thing. Input lag is quiet annoying. Nothing like 40ms but rather 0.4sec. My PC is i7-950 @3.50Ghz, 6Gb RAM, 580GTX connected to Denon 1612.
From what I read this was supposed to be pretty lag-free PJ, so what gives?

I have almost the same setup as you and see no out of ordinary lag.

Sounds like you have some kind of processing or lag audio correction enabled in your Denon. Try disabling that if it is.
post #4625 of 5304
i am wondering what is a good gain for 100inches screen?
post #4626 of 5304
Does anyone have any experience in splitting audio from video? My Onkyo amp doesn't have HDMI 1,4 so my PJ runs straight to my PC / PS3. On my PC I have enabled both DVI->HDMI ports so one is for audio, one is for 3D Video. This way I get highest quality audio (Dolby HD, DTS-HD) streaming to my Onkyo, and 3D to my PJ. For the PS3 I'm stuck with optical which is less quality.

My PC however is not meant for the living room, so I'm looking to buy a media player which supports frame packed 3D. Most of these come with one HDMI port, so I need a way to split the audio so I maintain HD sound to my amp. Any suggestions?
post #4627 of 5304
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Originally Posted by shappy1010 View Post

Does anyone have any experience in splitting audio from video? My Onkyo amp doesn't have HDMI 1,4 so my PJ runs straight to my PC / PS3. On my PC I have enabled both DVI->HDMI ports so one is for audio, one is for 3D Video. This way I get highest quality audio (Dolby HD, DTS-HD) streaming to my Onkyo, and 3D to my PJ. For the PS3 I'm stuck with optical which is less quality.
My PC however is not meant for the living room, so I'm looking to buy a media player which supports frame packed 3D. Most of these come with one HDMI port, so I need a way to split the audio so I maintain HD sound to my amp. Any suggestions?

The best solution is to replace the Onkyo with n HDMI 1.4 (I am handy with electronics and buy them cheap on ebay and repair them) You can buy an HDMI splitter for about $25 and send one to amp and one to projector (i have not tried it there might be HDCP hand shaking problems) I have a few splitting Dish receiver and PS3 to two different receivers (but both are 1,4) for my HD33 and Mitts Tv in two different rooms. the panny bd320 has two HDMI outs and can do Netflix and VUDU 3d 1080p streaming and I believe play from a usb stick.
post #4628 of 5304
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Originally Posted by rekbones View Post

The best solution is to replace the Onkyo with n HDMI 1.4 (I am handy with electronics and buy them cheap on ebay and repair them) You can buy an HDMI splitter for about $25 and send one to amp and one to projector (i have not tried it there might be HDCP hand shaking problems) I have a few splitting Dish receiver and PS3 to two different receivers (but both are 1,4) for my HD33 and Mitts Tv in two different rooms. the panny bd320 has two HDMI outs and can do Netflix and VUDU 3d 1080p streaming and I believe play from a usb stick.

Well this is one of those sad cases where about a year ago I bought the onkyo tx-nr607 one month prior to the 707 (with HDMI 1.4) coming out. I also did not have 3D at the time, so I didn't care for it back then, but no way I'm replacing my amp yet for just the HDMI 1.4 option. I don't think the Panasonic will play/stream BluRay ISO's, also fitting them on an USB stick is not really an option... looks like I'll have to try the splitter with a media center which supports 3D bluray rips
post #4629 of 5304
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Originally Posted by shappy1010 View Post

Does anyone have any experience in splitting audio from video? My Onkyo amp doesn't have HDMI 1,4 so my PJ runs straight to my PC / PS3. On my PC I have enabled both DVI->HDMI ports so one is for audio, one is for 3D Video. This way I get highest quality audio (Dolby HD, DTS-HD) streaming to my Onkyo, and 3D to my PJ. For the PS3 I'm stuck with optical which is less quality.
My PC however is not meant for the living room, so I'm looking to buy a media player which supports frame packed 3D. Most of these come with one HDMI port, so I need a way to split the audio so I maintain HD sound to my amp. Any suggestions?

AFAIK no media player exists that plays 3d ISO's correctly. I've done a lot of research and I'm going with a new HTPC. I have the same issue with my preamp not being 1.4. I'm doing to pick up a switch from monoprice that can handle 1.4 so I can switch my HDMI sources.
post #4630 of 5304
can anyone recommend a media player that plays regular isos (not 3d)

i have some backups of some hd-dvd's that eventually stopped playing and was windering what might be able to play the iso file from my mac.
post #4631 of 5304
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Originally Posted by shepP View Post

AFAIK no media player exists that plays 3d ISO's correctly. I've done a lot of research and I'm going with a new HTPC.
Are you mounting the iso file? Mine play fine on powerdvd and TMT.
post #4632 of 5304
anyone goes a suggestion about what gain i shall buy for 100inches screen?
post #4633 of 5304
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Originally Posted by audionewer View Post

anyone goes a suggestion about what gain i shall buy for 100inches screen?

Well, I have a DIY BOC 110 inch screen. BOC tends to be somewhere in between .8 & 1.0 gain. In a perfect world, for flexibility and a bump in 3D brightness, I would love to be around 1.3.

That being said, at 100 instead of 110, 1.0 might be perfect ...... at least for me.
post #4634 of 5304
i got a 1.3 gain 100inches screen. the 2d pic is too much brightness it almost blind my eyes.
post #4635 of 5304
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Originally Posted by Plinio View Post

I have HD3300 bought with Mike from AVS. I don´t know why but ISF Day and Night don´t appear on menu, as well noise reduction. Anyone knows what is happening.


Thanks

Hi,

Just bought a Optoma HD33 and can't see the 'noise reduction' in the advanced menu like you.

Did you find a way to enable it? Playing DVDs shows really noisy on my screen... frown.gif
post #4636 of 5304
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Originally Posted by cvh View Post

Firmware can be found in HD33 main menu. Look in the top right hand corner. Should say CO2, or CO3 or CO4.
I re-calibrated my original settings and adjusted the color for a more natural look after using a calibration disk. If still too bright just lower the brightness. Link below.
____________________________________________________________________________________
This is for BLURAY 2D only.
My setup: 125" Elite 1.1 Gain Screen, projector ceiling mounted at 14ft from screen in a darkened room no ambient light
LAMP MODE: STD
DISPLAY MODE: User
CONTRAST: +5
BRIGHTNESS: -4 (lower if too bright)
SHARPNESS: 11
COLOR: 16
TINT: 0
ADVANCED:
GAMMA: film
Gamma Film Curve type: +2
Offset: +3
PURE ENGINE:
Pure Motion: off
Pure Detail: off
Pure Color: 0
COLOR SETTINGS:
Color Temp: Medium
RGB BIAS/GAIN:
Red Gain: 0
Green Gain: -2
Blue Gain: 0
Red Bias: +2
Green Bias: 0
Blue Bias: +2

Thanks again. I can't believe I didn't see it before! Funny how that works. I have FWC03.
post #4637 of 5304
I am really leaning towards getting the HD33 for my theater room. Seems like its the best in regards to features i want and for the price i want to spend. I was originally leaning towards the Epson 8350 or the Mitsu HC4000 due to the better blacks and such but having 3D would be great. I have a 55" Samsung D8000 3D LED upstairs so i already have a bunch of movies in 3D. This will be used 50% for movies and 50% for Xbox 360 gaming.

Been trying to figure out the best way to mount this. I have gone over the settings in Coderguys calc a bunch of times and it seems like i will pretty much have to flush mount this to get the screen size i want(120"). What ceiling mounts are all of you using? I have an 8ft ceiling in the basement that this will be mounted to and i can mount it either at ~14.6 or ~16.1 from the screen based on where the ceiling joists are.

Something that maybe someone can clarify for me. When using that calc, it leaves over a ft of space above the screen. Is there a way to utilize this extra space? I am very new to projectors so i am learning new stuff about them every day. I assume you can't just tilt the projector up to use more of that space because then you would have to use keystone to correct the screen, am i right? It just seems like a lot of wasted space. Was planning on either a painted wall or fixed projector screen.

Any help or suggestions you guys can make would be great. The house will be finished in the middle of August and I really want to get this setup as soon as possible after that.
post #4638 of 5304
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Originally Posted by audionewer View Post

i am wondering what is a good gain for 100inches screen?

I used to have a 100" 1.3 gain at 14ft. and it was really bright. Great pop effect. I now have a 125" 1.1 gain at 14ft. and is plenty bright. Not as bright as the 1.3 at but more than enough. I don't like a blinding image. My environment is fairly dark. Not theater dark, but a slight amount of ambient light. Hope this helps.
post #4639 of 5304
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Originally Posted by cvh View Post

Most don't have an issue, but if you really look for it you may see it. Only time I see it is when I move my head really quickly from left to right, which of course I never do. Ending credits with white on black, yes it is a little more noticeable. During movie I see nothing. Yes, if you look at the grid test pattern you will see it, and yes if you dart your eyes back and forth, but this is not normal viewing conditions. I certainly would not want to stare at the grid. It is there for testing purposes. Darting your eyes back and forth is a little weird, but if you like watching movies that way, go ahead.
Now i will say this, I think each projector has a little variance. My old HD33 I sent in I noticed nothing at all and had to really look hard to notice it. I had my projector swapped out for unrelated issues and I noticed it a little more on new HD33, not much though, but not worth worrying about. Try lowering your brightness and contrast a little, guitarman suggests this will help.

I have spent some more time with the pj, and the rainbow affect has not diminished, unfortunately. My wife sees them as well - I read elsewhere on this forum the odds of that were like 1 in a 1000 for both of us to be rbe sensitive. I may have a slow color wheel and this may be exacerbated by sitting at 1.1 times screen width. We do not see them during 3d (Avatar Bluray was spectacular!) or animated films, but they were distracting enough during "typical" movies such as War Horse.

As far as my viewing habits, my eyes definitely "dart around", something I realized I can't control. I suppose I am weird that way but I am also studying the vivid detail this pj brings out, looking for things I may not have seen the first viewing, as well as reading subtitles. Again this may be in part to sitting close to the screen. I did adjust the brightness and contrast way down (way below what my calibration disk suggests or guitarman's suggested settings) and still saw rbe.

Anyway I am returning the HD33. Too bad because outside of the RBE, this pj meets my needs in every way and is a great buy for the price. I have ordered the Epson 5010 as a replacement. And alot more $.
post #4640 of 5304
Hi All, just wanted some advice from the guys in case you may have some prediction on technology trends with DLP specifically what "might" be upcoming.

My Optoma HD81 is now finally dead. I loved this projector and was hoping it would keep me going until a highly reviewed mid-range DLP projector would come perhaps from Optoma. Thanks to the advice of Guitarman and SStephen on the HD81 thread I did manage to get things working with the previous problem i had. However a few weeks on the projector itself dies and only get a flashing red light on the controller end and what seems no power going to the projector.

I am now getting withdrawal symptoms and need to get another soon. However it seems the only thing worth going for is the entry range HD33 which seems to be a hands down winner. I may have discussed this before with Guitarman, the problem i have is coming from the expensive HD81 how much will I miss the amazing 2D on the old one compared to the cheaper HD33. I like the price but am ready spend either side of £2000 but there is nothing worth getting in the range as far as I have seen, the HD33 stands out.

Optoma's HD83 is so so in 2D and 3D so not worth spending on that. Do I go for the HD33 from richer sounds with 5 year warranty or do you guys know if any upcoming models that may be a range higher then the HD33 but take the quality to a new level with 3D and especially 2D. Do you think I may be waiting too long and should take the plunge on the HD33?. I will be running it on a Stewart Firehawk Fixed screen Luxus Deluxe 87" approx.

Additionally, in the UK I cant find anyone who can supply the HD3300 as would prefer the refined one, does anyone know?

Thank you for any advice.
post #4641 of 5304
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Originally Posted by Eapiel View Post

I have spent some more time with the pj, and the rainbow affect has not diminished, unfortunately. My wife sees them as well - I read elsewhere on this forum the odds of that were like 1 in a 1000 for both of us to be rbe sensitive. I may have a slow color wheel and this may be exacerbated by sitting at 1.1 times screen width. We do not see them during 3d (Avatar Bluray was spectacular!) or animated films, but they were distracting enough during "typical" movies such as War Horse.

As far as my viewing habits, my eyes definitely "dart around", something I realized I can't control. I suppose I am weird that way but I am also studying the vivid detail this pj brings out, looking for things I may not have seen the first viewing, as well as reading subtitles. Again this may be in part to sitting close to the screen. I did adjust the brightness and contrast way down (way below what my calibration disk suggests or guitarman's suggested settings) and still saw rbe.
Anyway I am returning the HD33. Too bad because outside of the RBE, this pj meets my needs in every way and is a great buy for the price. I have ordered the Epson 5010 as a replacement. And alot more $.

I agree and don't blame u one bit. RBE is not fun at all to watch or notice. I had an optoma 3d ready 720P DLP TW610ST and drove me crazy. I sold it.
post #4642 of 5304
PLease help!!!

Something happened to my new hd33...

It only has like 15 hours on it... Today I turned it on to watch avatar 3d for the 5th time... It's iSo played by powerdvd... Other than usual lag issue (corrected with audio delay setting on my Denton 1612) I had Horrible picture quality. Washed out colors, no pop, no crispness, very dull colors, little detail (focus ok)... Everything light looked horrible, just too bright, white detail nonexistant, like avatars skin, it's very bright almost white... And so on. I played this movie on the first few days I got projector and it was fantastic, way better than in movie theater... But now something happened and everything is off. The settings are default, I tried resetting everything... Didn't help... Lowering brightness... Nothing. Using settings from this thread... The colors beca,e more natural slightly, but overall brightness and washoutness didn't change...

Other factors that might have attributed to this, but I'm not sure

1: it was pretty hot in the room. My computer gave me all kinds of trouble (even blue screen of death which I havent seen since windows98 computer in 2000 or so) at one point projector froze, I got some lines on the screen that stayed there even after I turned off receiver,,,
2: I put black cloth on the walls. One wall got a reflective (shiny) cloth... Could this have caused overly bright and worse image? To find out I'd have to tear it off (nailed it to the wall pretty good).

Any ideas? Did my pj went kaboom?
post #4643 of 5304
Well your room can't be to blame. Sounds like a Video card going bad.

I'd stay on top of it. Try a SD DVD to see if the video drive is working. If so it might all be centered on 3D output .
post #4644 of 5304
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Originally Posted by yousafm View Post

Additionally, in the UK I cant find anyone who can supply the HD3300 as would prefer the refined one, does anyone know?

The Uk version of the HD3300 is called the HD33; the UK version of the HD33 is the HD300x.
post #4645 of 5304
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Eapiel View Post

I have spent some more time with the pj, and the rainbow affect has not diminished, unfortunately. My wife sees them as well - I read elsewhere on this forum the odds of that were like 1 in a 1000 for both of us to be rbe sensitive. I may have a slow color wheel and this may be exacerbated by sitting at 1.1 times screen width. We do not see them during 3d (Avatar Bluray was spectacular!) or animated films, but they were distracting enough during "typical" movies such as War Horse.

As far as my viewing habits, my eyes definitely "dart around", something I realized I can't control. I suppose I am weird that way but I am also studying the vivid detail this pj brings out, looking for things I may not have seen the first viewing, as well as reading subtitles. Again this may be in part to sitting close to the screen. I did adjust the brightness and contrast way down (way below what my calibration disk suggests or guitarman's suggested settings) and still saw rbe.
Anyway I am returning the HD33. Too bad because outside of the RBE, this pj meets my needs in every way and is a great buy for the price. I have ordered the Epson 5010 as a replacement. And alot more $.

Rainbows fall out after the super brightness of the lamp wears down. But the 5010 s/b a good replacement. Not the 3010 so you're good to go.
Good luck.

Me, just glad I'm not one of the rainbow prone because the HD33/3300 is great.
post #4646 of 5304
Spent most of this weekend calibrating and screening the Epson 5010. Definitely has markedly improved contrast level and blacks. The 2D picture is "softer" for lack of a better term and more film like, which I do like for most traditional movies. But I miss the DLP "punch" of the HD33, especially watching HDTV cable thru my HTPC. The HD33 did 3d every bit as well as the Epson, even though the 5010 is brighter in 3D. Still haven't tried any gaming as the Epson. That is supposed to be a weakness with a up to an 80ms lag in response. The HD33 DLP seemed ideal for the little bit I gamed on it.

I am satisfied now with the Epson, but at almost twice the price I better be. Damn rainbows. If not for those, the HD33 would still be in my theater. Oh well, I may readdress DLP projectors next time I upgrade when the 20X speed color wheels are industry standard. smile.gif
post #4647 of 5304
Epson LCD's just depend on luck of draw to how soft they will be. I'd check your convergence, if it is off too much, I'd send it back for a new one. My friend has the 5010, and the first one he got was too soft, he exchanged it for a still new unit by going through his dealer. If you do see questionable convergence and end up sending it back, try to get the dealer to exchange it for a new one rather than Epson which will give you a refurb (although it's not always easy as many dealers make you go through Epson, most I believe), but many of the refurb ones often have questionable convergence. His second one was much sharper.

Of course exchanging is risky too, the next one could be worse than the first.
post #4648 of 5304
I received mine on Friday, it's my first projector and loving it! I did a stupid thing yesterday, I changed "Theater Mode" to Guitarman's settings in the first post and did not wrote the factory settings down for comparison. I should have used the user mode instead and now lost the original cinema mode. Can someone please give me those factory settings for cinema mode, including the advance settings again prease? I don't want to do a factory Reset as I assume it will reset the lamp hour count as well. Thanks in advance
post #4649 of 5304
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Originally Posted by getset01 View Post

I received mine on Friday, it's my first projector and loving it! I did a stupid thing yesterday, I changed "Theater Mode" to Guitarman's settings in the first post and did not wrote the factory settings down for comparison. I should have used the user mode instead and now lost the original cinema mode. Can someone please give me those factory settings for cinema mode, including the advance settings again prease? I don't want to do a factory Reset as I assume it will reset the lamp hour count as well. Thanks in advance

Factory reset won,t reset lamp hours. I have done it 2 times one for the missing line of pixels and one to get back to the orginal setting after messing wth it too much.
post #4650 of 5304
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Eapiel View Post

Spent most of this weekend calibrating and screening the Epson 5010. Definitely has markedly improved contrast level and blacks. The 2D picture is "softer" for lack of a better term and more film like, which I do like for most traditional movies. But I miss the DLP "punch" of the HD33, especially watching HDTV cable thru my HTPC. The HD33 did 3d every bit as well as the Epson, even though the 5010 is brighter in 3D. Still haven't tried any gaming as the Epson. That is supposed to be a weakness with a up to an 80ms lag in response. The HD33 DLP seemed ideal for the little bit I gamed on it.
I am satisfied now with the Epson, but at almost twice the price I better be. Damn rainbows. If not for those, the HD33 would still be in my theater. Oh well, I may readdress DLP projectors next time I upgrade when the 20X speed color wheels are industry standard. smile.gif

DLP punch is nice there's higher native CR and ansi CR. Check over a grid pattern see how the RGB lines up. If far apart you may try a replacement. Wait I think the Epsons have some alignment control, if not in the main manu in a sub menu, look into it.
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