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Great news. I think both films are fantastic.

Yeah, great universe.
post #32 of 81
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The constraints of a PG-13 strangled Chronicles of Riddick. Universal was spectacularly stupid to force an R rated franchise into PG-13 territory.

The problems with Chronicles of Riddick had absolutely nothing to do with its rating. The film was a spectaculary misconceived attempt to take a clever, efficient little B-movie and turn it into a bloated "epic" - and to take an entertainingly heartless antihero and turn him into a standard-issue, universe-saving superhero.
post #33 of 81
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The problems with Chronicles of Riddick had absolutely nothing to do with its rating. The film was a spectaculary misconceived attempt to take a clever, efficient little B-movie and turn it into a bloated "epic" - and to take an entertainingly heartless antihero and turn him into a standard-issue, universe-saving superhero.

This is how H'wood works. Rambo, Mad Max, James Bond. Alway bigger a glitzier. Howvever, I think this flowed pretty well.

Riddick went back for Jack/Kyra, not to save the universe. His gradual give a damn is an underlying story that started in PB when he is saved by Fry and she then gets killed. He showed he cared for Jack by leaving her with Imam and trying to disappear. At the end of CoR there was no celebration by him of saving the universe, just relief that he survived which is what Riddick does best.

I think the story in sequel could be complex in that Riddick doesn't want a thing to do with the Necros, but can't leave them to continue as they have. A real delema for someone who keeps loosing anyone he might have developed a connection to and this started when he was in the crib.
post #34 of 81
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Originally Posted by srw1000 View Post

Hmm, I always thought of Chronicles as being the more developed of the two, with Pitch being a more generic sci-fi, horror film. Kind of like the differences and progression of Mad Max and the later Road Warrior.

I've been hoping to see a sequel to Chronicles since the movie came out, and I've got high hopes for it. Then again, I also liked Thunderdome, so take it with a grain of salt.

Scott


I liked COR more also and a sequel will be nice.
post #35 of 81
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

The problems with Chronicles of Riddick had absolutely nothing to do with its rating. The film was a spectaculary misconceived attempt to take a clever, efficient little B-movie and turn it into a bloated "epic" - and to take an entertainingly heartless antihero and turn him into a standard-issue, universe-saving superhero.

True. And that is partially due to PG-13. One size fits all. "Everything has to be an epic for kids." "The lead actor has to be someone we can sympathize with."

And for the record, I like RIDDICK, despite some serious flaws. The DC is a cool movie and I have the HD-DVD.

I had a meeting last week with some producers who had notes on a screenplay of mine they wanted to option. Their ideas were typical bone headed BULLS*T. They don't think the lead character should be so mean. So nasty. Why? Because all leads have to be likable. Worse...

"Can't the fat bitch/whore co-worker be kind of cute and just a little bit chunky?"

"Can't the main character plan the murder, but change his mind and then save the girl from being killed by the crazy guy he was going to hire to do the deed?"

"Why don't we tone it down a bit, just a bit, and widen the audience?"




WHY ARE MOVIE PRODUCERS BOTHERING TO BUY A SCRIPT THEY JUST WANT TO RAPE?!

In the end, it's always the damn PG-13 that rears it ugly head.
post #36 of 81
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Top 20 2011 YEARLY BOX OFFICE BY MPAA RATING -All G, PG, PG-13, R and NC-17 Rated Releases

http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/char...%7CNC-17&p.htm
post #37 of 81
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

WHY ARE MOVIE PRODUCERS BOTHERING TO BUY A SCRIPT THEY JUST WANT TO RAPE?!

I suppose for the same reason why radio stations play it straight and narrow with their playlists. Because no matter how many flavors are out there, the prevailing flavor is vanilla. Stick with a formula, don't budge, play it safe, yada yada yada...
post #38 of 81
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

True. And that is partially due to PG-13. One size fits all. "Everything has to be an epic for kids." "The lead actor has to be someone we can sympathize with."

And for the record, I like RIDDICK, despite some serious flaws. The DC is a cool movie and I have the HD-DVD.

I had a meeting last week with some producers who had notes on a screenplay of mine they wanted to option. Their ideas were typical bone headed BULLS*T. They don't think the lead character should be so mean. So nasty. Why? Because all leads have to be likable. Worse...

"Can't the fat bitch/whore co-worker be kind of cute and just a little bit chunky?"

"Can't the main character plan the murder, but change his mind and then save the girl from being killed by the crazy guy he was going to hire to do the deed?"

"Why don't we tone it down a bit, just a bit, and widen the audience?"




WHY ARE MOVIE PRODUCERS BOTHERING TO BUY A SCRIPT THEY JUST WANT TO RAPE?!

In the end, it's always the damn PG-13 that rears it ugly head.

It's very unfortunate and also what sells. Incidentally it is also at the core of what has driven me to watch more and more foreign and independent films.
post #39 of 81
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post


In the end, it's always the damn PG-13 that rears it ugly head.

I can't be the only one who wants to see a set of names and faces attached to this term 'PG13'

As if it's some mysterious entity...hmmm?
post #40 of 81
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

I had a meeting last week with some producers who had notes on a screenplay of mine they wanted to option. Their ideas were typical bone headed BULLS*T. They don't think the lead character should be so mean. So nasty. Why? Because all leads have to be likable. Worse...

After reading this, I couldn't help but think about this week's episode of Louie. Louie pitched his idea for a film to an initially interested higher-up from Paramount. She immediately ditched him and his idea upon hearing his envisioning of things getting progressively worse for the main character from beginning to end, a plot that would have differed from Hollywood norms.
post #41 of 81
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post
WHY ARE MOVIE PRODUCERS BOTHERING TO BUY A SCRIPT THEY JUST WANT TO RAPE?!
He, reminds me of the british short movie "The strike"

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The film concerns Paul (Alexei Sayle), a Welsh former miner and aspiring screenwriter, who writes a hard-hitting filmscript about his own experiences of the 1984 Miners' Strike. However, the Hollywood production company that gets hold of his script turns it into a ludicrously sensationalist and anachronistic action film


As for COR, It may not be as good as the first movie, but its still an OK scifi movie, maybe just direct to video type of movie.
post #42 of 81
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Wow you guys are blowing my mind. The first film had worthwhile characters, a much better less-convoluted plot, better setting, suspense, mystery, a bit of horror and sci-fi, and a good ending. The second film was so cliched, cheesy, predictable, and just plain bad. It was like a night and day difference. You guys might as well say you preferred Transformers 2.

Ouch.
Still I am very happy for a #3!
post #43 of 81
I think Pitch Black were really good because of the "minimalistic" style, the simple but still well told story and of course the Riddick character.

CoR was ok, interesting "worlds" and design.
Story wise it isn't that great but I can live it.

Will definately see #3
post #44 of 81
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

I can't be the only one who wants to see a set of names and faces attached to this term 'PG13'

As if it's some mysterious entity...hmmm?

To me it's very simple.
Compare e.g. "I am number four" with "Pitch Black".
post #45 of 81
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Vin Diesel Releases More Riddick Concept Artwork, Promises an R-Rating

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/vin-d...s-an-r-rating/
post #46 of 81
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First Look at Vin Diesel in RIDDICK



http://collider.com/riddick-movie-image/139256/
post #47 of 81
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First Look at Vin Diesel in RIDDICK



http://collider.com/riddick-movie-image/139256/

Green Lantern called. He wants his breastplate back.



Oh, and if you could recharge the batteries, that'd be great.
post #48 of 81
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Green Lantern called. He wants his breastplate back.


Are you OK? That is quite a stretch!
post #49 of 81
They're both green and have circle... thingies.


First thing I thought though was, "Great, Riddick's gone comic book superhero."
post #50 of 81
"'RIDDICK'. Rated PG-13."

That Batboy outfit looks awful but it will be nice to see Riddick again.
post #51 of 81
I got to agree with lwright, too. Pitch Black, while not the most original movie, was one of those science fiction yarns that was lean, mean, and unpretentious. Didn't really pretend to be anything other than what it was.

CoR, though, was a space opera. I really don't find many of them very interesting unless the opening credits begin with LucasFilm, and even then the original copyright better be before 1984.
post #52 of 81
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I like Riddick. He is one of the few who CAN bring a knife to a gunfight and win. LOL
post #53 of 81
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

I like Riddick. He is one of the few who CAN bring a knife to a gunfight and win. LOL


Pitch Black made me a fan of David Twohy. I get the impression he's something of an outlaw in the business. Very Few Projects, but always creative and against the grain in a good way.
post #54 of 81
Looking forward to it.
post #55 of 81
What I did like about cor was the prison planet!
post #56 of 81
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post


Pitch Black made me a fan of David Twohy. I get the impression he's something of an outlaw in the business. Very Few Projects, but always creative and against the grain in a good way.

If you haven't seen it, check out Below, his haunted submarine movie from a script by Darren Aronofsky.
post #57 of 81
I also liked both Films, but I agree the 2nd one was a bit clunky and skipped over a number of things which I think hurt the flow of the Film, but since purchasing and watching the Directors cut of the Film I will say I prefer COR much more than the original Pitch Black.

I won't be going out to see it in the Theater when it is released (never bother with the Theater anymore anyway) but I think I'll pick it up on Bluray when it is released (unless everyone on here absolutely Pans it! )
post #58 of 81
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

If you haven't seen it, check out Below, his haunted submarine movie from a script by Darren Aronofsky.

I own every Twohy film. Keep Below in the 'Submarine Collection' with Boot, 571, Crimson and the best..October. Doesn't matter how right wing they are, something about seafaring flicks I love, even Wind. Nice cameo at the end with him as the captain.

Timescape's TV/Family movie tone doesn't hide Twohy's style. Worth a watch.
Even though The Arrival takes a big hit these days with Mr 'Tiger Blood', it's Twohy, so...
post #59 of 81
Although different, I enjoyed both Riddick movies...for different reasons.
post #60 of 81
One certainty about Chronicles is that forcing Twohy to go PG-13 hurt the film. You can google studio notes on it and executives wanted Riddick to be more heroic. "He shouldn't kill anyone unless forced to." Blah blah blah. Morons. I still love the film, but can only imagine what it would be were it made twenty years ago when the r rated sci fi action film was king.
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