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post #331 of 688
9/8/11 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by Evangelo2 View Post

Can you use airplay on an ipad 1 to get this to play through an AppleTV on a bigger screen? If not, will it play through HDMI? Also, how is the PQ when watching this way? I think I may prefer this over PS3 as it gives me more options.
-Evangelo2

I already tried via the redzone channel also available within the app (it is just looping commercials until gameday). Clicking AirPlay to my Apple TV only transmits the audio and not video. Not an issue as I just hook up my MacBook to my tv via HDMI and it will stream video in full HD. Works well as I didn't want to buy a PS3 just for Sunday Ticket streaming. $350 is a bit more tolerable than $600+ Either way, it's still too expense to watch my Bears most likely have a mediocre season
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post #332 of 688
9/8/11 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

ESPN is also focusing on the digital side of their deal, which possibly means MNF via ESPN3. That would make dumping Directv and cable alot more palatable.

That is becoming more difficult as ISPs are starting to require you to subscribe to ESPN in order for access.
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post #333 of 688
9/8/11 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by aldamon View Post

Week 1 of Sunday Ticket was always free when we had DirecTV. Are they doing the same thing with the PS3 version? No way I'm dropping $330 sight unseen (there is uncertainty with the Browns too, LOL).

According to the e-mail I saw from DirecTV it said you had to be a DirecTV subscriber to get the first week free.
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post #334 of 688
9/8/11 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by danc8379 View Post

According to the e-mail I saw from DirecTV it said you had to be a DirecTV subscriber to get the first week free.

It's free to directv subscribers only. PS3 only and the streaming only plan do not get a free week.
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post #335 of 688
9/8/11 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

He also mentioned they might expand playoffs in the future (please don't destroy the NFL by emulating a crappy setup that the NBA and NHL use).

The most likely plan is to add 1 team per conference to make it 14.

#1 seed gets a bye, 2 plays 7, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5.

Totally sweet as that would be a true weekend of football with games like 1:00, 4:30, 8:15 both saturday & sunday.
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post #336 of 688
9/8/11 at 9:59am
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Some of us have been with ST for 10+ years and are upset that it's basically priced itself out of the realm of reasonable. I love ST, but the price is incredibly stupid. And it's that way because of how the NFL makes bidders overpay to get it. ST is up for renewal again in a year, and I'm hoping something changes. Not just in price, but in availability options, but that's probably wishful thinking. I have a feeling Directv will keep it and the price hikes will continue, but the real question for me is who is going to get the Thursday night package. If NFL Network loses those games and they end up on basic cable somewhere, then I'll be dumping Directv once and for all. One major change I would love to see is Sunday Ticket starting to include EVERY game...sunday night, Monday Night, and Thursday. If it's an NFL game, put it on ST.

*edit* - Looks like ESPN has locked up MNF until 2021. Wonder if they'll also bid on Thursday Night Football. Part of the deal includes ESPN's right to stream their own games online.

I have long felt the exclusivity of Sunday Ticket to one provider drives up costs and makes the offer less competitive. Imagine if every major provider had Sunday Ticket, the NFL could make the same or more money and the cost to the public would drop by 50% or more. DirecTV would be the big loser since they would immediately attrit thousands of customers who only stay with them for Sunday Ticket. So DirecTV will pay any price that the NFL wants and pass that along to their customers and the NFL is happy because they only have to deal with one partner.

The NFL is just as culpable in this deal if not more so than DirecTV. You can't blame the service provider for wanting an exclusive but the NFL willingly excludes millions of fans from paying for their product.
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post #337 of 688
9/8/11 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

The most likely plan is to add 1 team per conference to make it 14.

#1 seed gets a bye, 2 plays 7, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5.

Totally sweet as that would be a true weekend of football with games like 1:00, 4:30, 8:15 both saturday & sunday.

And further dilutes the importance of the regular season. As a fan, I just hope they don't take it too far. But then again this is Goodell, the same guy that interpreted people saying they didn't want to pay for 4 pre-season games to mean that everyone wanted an 18 game season, despite polls showing the complete opposite.
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post #338 of 688
9/8/11 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by Harley_Dude View Post

I have long felt the exclusivity of Sunday Ticket to one provider drives up costs and makes the offer less competitive. Imagine if every major provider had Sunday Ticket, the NFL could make the same or more money and the cost to the public would drop by 50% or more. DirecTV would be the big loser since they would immediately attrit thousands of customers who only stay with them for Sunday Ticket. So DirecTV will pay any price that the NFL wants and pass that along to their customers and the NFL is happy because they only have to deal with one partner.

The NFL is just as culpable in this deal if not more so than DirecTV. You can't blame the service provider for wanting an exclusive but the NFL willingly excludes millions of fans from paying for their product.

NFL doesn't have much choice. I believe it was Peter King that said exclusivity exists because the NFL can't risk pissing off the local affiliates and beer companies (some weird logic that people not being able to see the team they want drives them to bars, where they in turn buy beer).
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post #339 of 688
9/8/11 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

And further dilutes the importance of the regular season. As a fan, I just hope they don't take it too far. But then again this is Goodell, the same guy that interpreted people saying they didn't want to pay for 4 pre-season games to mean that everyone wanted an 18 game season, despite polls showing the complete opposite.

A) It makes the regular season MORE inportant because ONLY the #1 seed gets a bye.

B) 18 games. Actually most fans wanted it. Fans were only against it when they thought it might cause this season to be locked out. 18 games is coming like it or not. Why would a NFL fan want LESS football?
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post #340 of 688
9/8/11 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

NFL doesn't have much choice. I believe it was Peter King that said exclusivity exists because the NFL can't risk pissing off the local affiliates and beer companies (some weird logic that people not being able to see the team they want drives them to bars, where they in turn buy beer).

local affiliates are becoming less and less important. By 2015 you could see Sunday Ticket be offered by everyone.
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post #341 of 688
9/8/11 at 10:42am
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A) It makes the regular season MORE inportant because ONLY the #1 seed gets a bye.

B) 18 games. Actually most fans wanted it. Fans were only against it when they thought it might cause this season to be locked out. 18 games is coming like it or not. Why would a NFL fan want LESS football?

Just pull that straight outa your a**? There's been plenty of polls taken showing fans of the game don't want 18 games. And if you really have to ask why more games is a bad thing, you haven't been paying attention to the injured reserve lists of teams in the playoffs. I won't even address the laughable comment about the regular season becoming more important by adding more playoff teams.
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post #342 of 688
9/8/11 at 10:49am
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B) 18 games. Actually most fans wanted it. Fans were only against it when they thought it might cause this season to be locked out. 18 games is coming like it or not. Why would a NFL fan want LESS football?

18 games is definitely coming. With an 18 game schedule, the NFL will be on the verge of accomplishing two things:

1. Since each team will "most likely" have 2 weeks off in an 18 game schedule, this makes the season 20 weeks long. This in turn gives the NFL the ability to have a Thursday night game available every week, starting at the beginning of the year. Or at least by week 2. This, in turn, now makes NFL Network more valuable, and will really push the negotiations with companies like Time Wrner Cable, and Cablevision to adding it to their system. Or the NFL could sell the NFL Package to some other network, and eventually dump the NFL Network. But that is a good guess

2. With a 20 week season, it pushes the Super Bowl back 2 more weeks, and therefore it would fall on President's Day weekend. The NFL could gloat in saying our game is so popular, that our fans get the next day off after our championship game. Well, most people do. Not everyone. But school kids do.
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post #343 of 688
9/8/11 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by STEELERSRULE View Post

18 games is definitely coming. With an 18 game schedule, the NFL will be on the verge of accomplishing two things:

1. Since each team will "most likely" have 2 weeks off in an 18 game schedule, this makes the season 20 weeks long. This in turn gives the NFL the ability to have a Thursday night game available every week, starting at the beginning of the year. Or at least by week 2. This, in turn, now makes NFL Network more valuable, and will really push the negotiations with companies like Time Wrner Cable, and Cablevision to adding it to their system. Or the NFL could sell the NFL Package to some other network, and eventually dump the NFL Network. But that is a good guess

2. With a 20 week season, it pushes the Super Bowl back 2 more weeks, and therefore it would fall on President's Day weekend. The NFL could gloat in saying our game is so popular, that our fans get the next day off after our championship game. Well, most people do. Not everyone. But school kids do.

A 20 week season pushes the super bowl 3 weeks back (not 2) since the season is 17 weeks now.

Prez day is feb 20 2012 so a 20 week season would move the 2012 super bowl from feb 5 to feb 26 & thats 1 week after prez weekend.
No they wont move up to labor day weekend.

From what ive read if they do go to 18 games there would still be only 1 bye week.
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post #344 of 688
9/8/11 at 11:15am
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Even the owners have acknowledged what a failure NFL Network is. That's why the Thursday package of games is being offered to everyone instead of being automatically given to the NFL Network. I hate Time Warner, but I salute them in their handling of NFL Network. Except for the times when it shows a game, it's a pretty useless network unless you like watching endless repeats of crap like Top 10 Worst Draft Picks. The NFL Networks inability to strike deals with some major TV providers speaks volumes about their competency. Whichever network does win the package will basically be ensuring they have the top ranked show every Thursday night for many months.
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post #345 of 688
9/8/11 at 1:38pm
I'm all for the 14 team playoff. There's just been too many 10-6, and at least 1 11-5 team not make it to the playoffs since going to an 8 division format. I'd also change the way seeding works so that division winners aren't automatically seeded higher than wildcard teams, but still guaranteed a spot (call it the Seahawks rule).

As for an 18 games schedule, as a fan hell yeah I'm for it. I still don't understand the logic in going to late February instead of starting in August. More and more of the countries school districts go back in the middle of August anyways. There's really nothing going on sports wise in August, whereas February is college bball, NBA, and the NHL and a little car race in Daytona. Also the networks are still on summer reruns so they'd probably be more than happy to air more primetime games. One interesting idea I heard was to go to 18 games, but each player is still only eligible for 16 games. Probably never happen though because it screws with fantasy football.
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post #346 of 688
9/8/11 at 1:38pm
re: nfln... search on "nfl films nfl network" and see how nfln hosed up a real good thing....

i'm signed up and ready to go... now i REALLY can't wait till sunday...
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post #347 of 688
9/8/11 at 1:42pm
@lobos... there's this little thing called baseball in august... whereas february, imo, is the black hole of sports...

16 is fine with me... august is too early (prime vacation time for many), and they got killed ratings wise when they tried to start the season labor day weekend...

end the season any later, and we start to get into truly ridiculous weather in a lot of the country...
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post #348 of 688
9/8/11 at 1:55pm
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@lobos... there's this little thing called baseball in august... whereas february, imo, is the black hole of sports...

16 is fine with me... august is too early (prime vacation time for many), and they got killed ratings wise when they tried to start the season labor day weekend...

end the season any later, and we start to get into truly ridiculous weather in a lot of the country...

Yes baseball versus basketball, hockey and the biggest motorsports race of the year. Plus regular TV (sweeps) versus reruns.

The NFL started on Labor Day weekend from 1993 to 2001. Never heard that they got killed in the ratings in those years, not that I paid any attention to ratings in the days before I read this forum.

Of course, staying at 16 games isn't the end of the world or anything.
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post #349 of 688
9/8/11 at 2:02pm
Yep they dont wanna start in summer....too many vacations, not in tv watching mood yet, labor day bbqs etc.

The ratings were lower when they started labor day weekend thats 1 reason why they moved it to the following week now.

+ february is dead....nba, nhl, col basketball but thats just reg season, everyone is just waiting to get to their playoffs/ncaatourney already.
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post #350 of 688
9/8/11 at 2:37pm
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Regular season NFL games routinely beat playoff baseball in the ratings. I doubt the NFL is scared of baseball. As someone else pointed out, they're more than likely avoiding the lack of eyes watching TV. There's a reason the new TV season starts in late September. As for football in Feb, meh. By the time the Super Bowl rolls around now I'm pretty much footballed-out. I hope they don't extend it even more, but it appears they want to in hopes of expanding outside the US borders. All they'll really do is water down the product and shorten the careers of players.
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post #351 of 688
9/8/11 at 2:42pm
im against 18 games.. it dilutes the season imho. one thing that helps football maintain interest is the season is not too long. it wont be to the level of basketball or baseball, but i bet longer seasons will drive away some of the casual fans.
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post #352 of 688
9/8/11 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

Just pull that straight outa your a**? There's been plenty of polls taken showing fans of the game don't want 18 games.

Hey no need for the language. Polls mean nothing. Fans were mad at the owners for the lockout and that skewed any polls. Players made it sound like if 18 games would be a dealbreaker and fans wanted a deal to get done.

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And if you really have to ask why more games is a bad thing, you haven't been paying attention to the injured reserve lists of teams in the playoffs. I won't even address the laughable comment about the regular season becoming more important by adding more playoff teams.

Using your logic then is why doesn't the NFL go back to 12 games then? The fact is the injury argument was used in 1978 when the league went to 16 games and in the 60's when it went to 14 games. Are you saying fans would have been better off seeing 35-40 less games from Jerry Rice or Brett Farve?
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post #353 of 688
9/8/11 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by irfan View Post

im against 18 games.. it dilutes the season imho. one thing that helps football maintain interest is the season is not too long. it wont be to the level of basketball or baseball, but i bet longer seasons will drive away some of the casual fans.

Yes MLB, NBA and NHL seasons are too long. The NFL off-season is too long. 7 months between the Super Bowl and first game of the season. Too long.
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post #354 of 688
9/8/11 at 4:17pm
there is obviously a sweet spot between too little and too much.

NFL right now is in the sweet spot, much more and people will lose interest in the regular season.
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post #355 of 688
9/8/11 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by lobosrul View Post

One interesting idea I heard was to go to 18 games, but each player is still only eligible for 16 games. Probably never happen though because it screws with fantasy football.

That's just stupid. So for example Brady has to sit 2 games? 2 games that may decide if they win their divison or get a bye?

The fact is the owners have already reduced the amount of OTAs and amount of practices durring training camp. Also 18 games will mean 2 less pre-season games. So this myth of more injuries is just that, a myth. Also rosters would be increased.
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post #356 of 688
9/8/11 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by irfan View Post

there is obviously a sweet spot between too little and too much.

NFL right now is in the sweet spot, much more and people will lose interest in the regular season.

Bull. Will you? Everyone here that is against 18 games WILL in fact watch those 2 extra games. FACT. Anyways 18 games is coming so no arguing over it. It is coming by 2014. Too much money for the owners AND players to pass up.
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post #357 of 688
9/8/11 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

Bull. Will you? Everyone here that is against 18 games WILL in fact watch those 2 extra games. FACT. Anyways 18 games is coming so no arguing over it. It is coming by 2014. Too much money for the owners AND players to pass up.

nope but im pretty die hard when it comes to the Bears. the vast majority of the population is not die hard about NFL. im sure the NFL has done their studies but it seems like they are getting greedy and pushing the limits. right now they are the dominant sport aside from NASCAR, and they obviously want to milk it as much as possible, but they'll hit a point where its too much.
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post #358 of 688
9/8/11 at 7:24pm
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My area is Titans territory and when the Titans have a home game the local Fox station is not allowed to have a NFL game on at the same time as CBS even if it's a sellout. Could be he lives in area with a similar kind of rule.

While Red Zone might be better than nothing for many people, only seeing part of a game is not the same thing as seeing the whole game. And from the preview I saw recently they dont even stick with the same game even when the teams are inside the 20's so that makes it even worse. An Red Zone isn't free either.

As a Patriots fan (hence the name), if you live in an AFC city other than Boston chances are you are going to miss a good number of Pats games, just because they will conflict with the local AFC squad at least a few weeks a year.

Red Zone is a great channel, but it isn't quite the same if you are intensely following a certain game (like Jets-Pats last year in Week 2 was not on in Houston) so the web-only ST package is a decent option, or you can just hunt for illegal streams using a computer you don't care gets infected with malware and viruses.
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post #359 of 688
9/8/11 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by Patfantx View Post


As a Patriots fan (hence the name), if you live in an AFC city other than Boston chances are you are going to miss a good number of Pats games, just because they will conflict with the local AFC squad at least a few weeks a year.

Red Zone is a great channel, but it isn't quite the same if you are intensely following a certain game (like Jets-Pats last year in Week 2 was not on in Houston) so the web-only ST package is a decent option, or you can just hunt for illegal streams using a computer you don't care gets infected with malware and viruses.

I've never gotten a virus or malware from doing that. It's how I watched most of the games last year.
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post #360 of 688
9/8/11 at 11:13pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

I've never gotten a virus or malware from doing that. It's how I watched most of the games last year.

And it's illegal. Why brag about that? Either PAY for the content like you should or you don't get access to it. It's that simple. Just because I don't like the price of a ferrari doesn't mean I can just drive off the lot with it.
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