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Are there any great villains anymore ?

post #1 of 36
Thread Starter 
Has anyone seen any movies lately were there have been a great villain in the movie ?
I just feel that it's been a long time since someone did a villain really well.
Or are the roles/characters victims of PG13 ?
post #2 of 36
Lotso the Hugging Bear.
post #3 of 36
I nominate Anton Chigurh (Javier Bardem) from No Country for Old Men. Cold, methodical, and while he's a killer, he has a code that requires he keep his word.
post #4 of 36
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I nominate Anton Chigurh (Javier Bardem) from No Country for Old Men. Cold, methodical, and while he's a killer, he has a code that requires he keep his word.

Sounds a great deal like Dexter....
post #5 of 36
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I nominate Anton Chigurh (Javier Bardem) from No Country for Old Men. Cold, methodical, and while he's a killer, he has a code that requires he keep his word.

I agree. Bardem's performance as Chigurh in No Country for Old Men is in my movie villans hall of fame.
post #6 of 36
Joker from The Dark Knight.
post #7 of 36
Yes! In I Saw the Devil both the protagonist & antagonist are great villains. Check it out!
post #8 of 36
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Or are the roles/characters victims of PG13 ?

Thats one of the problem, the other is of course that some bad guys are not written as good(bad) as they needed to be. Also add that they sometimes is miscast, sometimes to much cgi to be scary, and sometimes just bad directed and not very well edited.

There are plenty of good exampels were the movies actually manage to have a bad guy that works for the movie.

We have the classic bad guy thats so despicable that you just want to find him and kill him yourself (preferably with a spoon). (Dirty Harry)

A bad guy sometimes needs to be more complex then just being evil. He should be in the border land between good and evil. So the viewer can understand (not sympathise) with the bad guy. (The Rock Movie)

And he needs to better then the good guy, the hero is never stronger then his foe. (The Terminator)
post #9 of 36
First off - what movie genres would make use of great villans?

Horror
Comic Book
Crime Drama
post #10 of 36
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First off - what movie genres would make use of great villans?

Horror
Comic Book
Crime Drama

Scifi (Wrath of Khan)
Comedy (Naked gun)
War (Hitler should count as a bad guy)
Romantic (Bridget Jones)
post #11 of 36
Thread Starter 
Yes, villains can be in more or less any genré.
So it could be e.g. Anton Chigurh or The Terminator.

But nowdays I think the "villains" are more like thugs or bullies.
Rather than a "mastermind" or "menace".
post #12 of 36
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

First off - what movie genres would make use of great villans?

Horror
Comic Book
Crime Drama

Hell, even classic Disney cartoons. For instance, Cruella De Vil was a great villain.
post #13 of 36
I used to hold out hope for a "Ming the Merciless" movie, but have given up on that..
post #14 of 36
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Joker from The Dark Knight.

I agree. The Joker in The Dark Knight is a lot more complex than it seems, partly because his backstory is never fully explained. He's mysterious, crazy, merciless, yet we'd like to know him more, what made him like that. Of course, Ledger more than nailed it. It's the last "great villain" I've seen to date, the kind of character we "love to hate".
post #15 of 36
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I agree. Bardem's performance as Chigurh in No Country for Old Men is in my movie villans hall of fame.

Yeah, I have to agree Bardem's nastiness is beyond reproach (of course, I am excluding ex-wives here).
post #16 of 36
Also, Jigsaw from Saw 1-4 (the only good ones). Great multi-dimensional villain.
post #17 of 36
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Also, Jigsaw from Saw 1-4 (the only good ones). Great multi-dimensional villain.

ah, yes I forgot about him! ...and an actor with an inimitable voice!
post #18 of 36
Of the Dr. Mabuse, master criminal sort of villain:

Buddy Pine/Syndrome: The Incredibles
Thump: Winter's Bone

Of the complicated, not totally evil sort:

Erik Lehnsherr/Magneto: in the earlier X-Men films
Raven Darkholme/Mystique: X-2
Cao Cao: Red Cliffs do the Cao Cao boogie
Arthur Leigh Allen: Zodiac evil but very sick

Of the Man You Love to Hate variety:

Sebastian Shaw: X-Men: First Class
Lord Naritsugu Matsudaira: 13 Assassins can measure up to any villain, anywhere
Vidal: Pan's Labyrinth

... to name but a few. Any paucity of great villains can at least be partly traced to a lack of good writing.
post #19 of 36
MEGAMIND!!!...really though, I thought Micky Rourke's character in Iron Man 2 was a pretty good villain.
post #20 of 36
Thread Starter 
I did come up with one villain just now

Christoph Waltz as Col. Hans Landa in Inglorious Basterds.
A really sleazy, charismatic villain

You have come up with a couple of good villains, maybe what is missing (in my opionion of course) is the combination of a good villain and a "dark" movie.
Probably a good example is No Country for Old Men, good villain and not so much "heroism" or necessarily a happy ending.
post #21 of 36
The shark in Jaws.

larry
post #22 of 36
One of my favourites of all time is Col. Hans Landa, brilliantly played by Christoph Waltz. Easily one of my favourite acting performances of all time. As a villain, he is complex, had the intuitive nature of Sherlock Holmes, charismatic and he could make you shudder with a single look.

Some other excellent villains:

John Doe, Se7en
Hannibal Lector, Silence of the Lambs
Scar, Lion King
Norman Bates, Psycho
The Devil, The Devi's Advocate
Longshanks, Braveheart
Commodus, Gladiator

Sometimes parents can be villains. The parents in Dead Poets Society, for example. Not complex characters, but I hate them more than most other villains at times.
post #23 of 36
Doug Hutchison as Percy Wetmore - The Green Mile
post #24 of 36
Thread Starter 
+1 on Doug.

He was really good in X-files as well.
post #25 of 36
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+1 on Doug.

He was really good in X-files as well.

Yeah he has sort of an enigmatic charisma that never makes him quite normal... (his scariest character though is his latest husband turn...what happened to him? apparently his agent dumped him after his marriage and I'm not sure he'll get many offers given his questionable private life lately... I know it's off topic sorry, I was just thinking of it at the same time - shame cause I really like him as an actor)
post #26 of 36
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Yeah he has sort of an enigmatic charisma that never makes him quite normal... (his scariest character though is his latest husband turn...what happened to him? apparently his agent dumped him after his marriage and I'm not sure he'll get many offers given his questionable private life lately... I know it's off topic sorry, I was just thinking of it at the same time - shame cause I really like him as an actor)

Pedophilia is NEVER acceptable.
I think it is safe to say he will have some trouble finding work in the future...

I second the nomination of Col. Landa.
post #27 of 36
She's 16 (which is legal in some states), and had full consent of her parents. Two things are obvious here, in my opinion:

1. He's fulfilling a taboo fantasy under legal grounds during a mid-life crisis (all that's missing is a Harley)
2. Her and her family see $$$
post #28 of 36
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Pedophilia is NEVER acceptable.
I think it is safe to say he will have some trouble finding work in the future...

I read this and was thinking why are you being such a hard a$$? Then I re-read and saw it was PEDOphilia not NECROphilia...
post #29 of 36
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Yes! In I Saw the Devil both the protagonist & antagonist are great villains. Check it out!

Just watched that a few nights ago, damn what a movie! Highly Recommended!
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One of my favourites of all time is Col. Hans Landa, brilliantly played by Christoph Waltz. Easily one of my favourite acting performances of all time. As a villain, he is complex, had the intuitive nature of Sherlock Holmes, charismatic and he could make you shudder with a single look.

Some other excellent villains:

John Doe, Se7en
Hannibal Lector, Silence of the Lambs
Scar, Lion King
Norman Bates, Psycho
The Devil, The Devi's Advocate
Longshanks, Braveheart
Commodus, Gladiator

Sometimes parents can be villains. The parents in Dead Poets Society, for example. Not complex characters, but I hate them more than most other villains at times.

Col. Hans Landa was just masterful, couldn't agree more. Going back a bit but also agree on The Devil from The Devils Advocate, unsettling to say the least.
post #30 of 36
Not a movie villain, but Arthur Mitchell in Season 4 of Dexter was one of the greatest villains of recent times, masterfully played by John Lithgow, who, deservedly, won an Emmy for the role.
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