Originally Posted by SuperAVSman
I owned the TX-NR5007, the TX-NR5008, and now the TX-NR5009.
I'd like to take the time to explain my situation with each unit, and also explain the problems I'm experiencing with the TX-NR5009. If anyone here could reply and let me know if you are experiencing similar problems, I'd be very thankful.Subject: Lack of Power in TX-NR5009
I've done a lot of research online, and I can tell you I'm not alone. It seems as though all the xxx9 A/V Receivers from Onkyo are known for having a lack of "power" and a lack of "Treble" compared to the xxx8 models.
My mother and I immediately noticed this when we tried listening to a song. We were listening to the song called Flash by Queen in WMA on a USB card. When the volume is at a comfortable level for everyday listening, everything sounds like the worlds to the song should be fine -- the "Background Music" sounds like it is loud enough. Unfortunatey, once you actually hear the words "FLASH! AH-AH!" you realize that what you just heard was incredibly underpowered and does NOT match up with the background music! It is as if something is "missing" from the song. I did not experience this problem with the TX-NR5007 or TX-NR5008, but I definitely do experience this problem with the TX-NR5009.
Just so you know, other people have reported this same problem with a lack of "Treble" in the xxx9 models. Read the Reviews on Amazon, and all the Comments inside the Reviews, in order to see for yourself.
There is no doubt that Dolby Volume makes things "Louder" at lower volume levels, but only by about five decibels. Dolby Volume definitely doesn't solve the problem of "Lack of Treble." And Dolby Volume doesn't solve the problem of "something missing." All Dolby Voume appears to do is raise the volume by about five decibels. In fact, when I used my Radio Shack SPL meter to make it so the Volume was at 57 with Dolby Volume and compared it to the Voume being set at 62 without Dolby Volume, it was as if things were identical.
With the TX-NR5009, you really need to turn the Volume up relatively loud in order to make it feel like something is not "missing" from songs like "Flash" from Queen and "Where Do You Go" by No Mercy. Once you turn the Volume up to 62 in order to make it so the voices sound okay, the bass and midrange sounds far too loud; it just isn't enjoyable listening to anymore in an everyday environment.
There is no doubt that the volume leves of 62 and higher does make all the songs sound excellent. There is enough power being generated at that point, and there isn't anything "missing" anymore. But I don't need to listen to songs at Volume levels of 65 or 70 very often.
I leave the Equalizer Off because I'm not qualified at adjusting an Equalizer. I've tried experimenting with the Volume Leveler and Half Mode, and I definitely make sure both are turned Off. I just think to myself "Wow, this would sound even worse if those features were turned On!" The Music Optimizer does add a slight amount of "force" to the digital music, so I do leave that On.
Please tell me if you have noticed that there is a bit less "power" to the TX-NR5009 compared to the xxx8 models. If you have the answer to this question and could tell me why, I would be very thankful. I'm actually not 100% convinced my unit isn't defective, because there was a time when my unit would not accept a firmware update. I tried several times and even did systems resets, but nothing would work. I waited several days about this, and the TX-NR5009 did eventually accept the firmware update.Next Subject: Dolby Volume and Night Mode
What is also unusual is that Night Mode does in fact have an affect on Dolby Volume, even though the two are apparently not supposed to be influencing one another. You cannot turn Night Mode "On" until Dolby Volume is turned "Off." If you own a TX-NR5009, make sure Dolby Volume is turned Off. This will let you make sure Night Mode is turned "Off." After you make sure Night Mode is turned "Off," turn Dolby Volume "On" again. Listen to a song in order to test how loud it is. Now turn Dolby Volume "Off," which allows you to select "High" in Night Mode. Then, then Dobly Volume back "On." Even though Night Mode phases out and is apparently no longer a factor, you CLEARLY hear that Night Mode is influencing Dolby Volume when you listen to a song! Something seems very strange about this. Could you please tell me if your TX-NR5009 behaves in this way?Next Subject: TX-NR5007 Clicking
The problem I had with the TX-NR5007 was the "Clicking" noises and the Heat. I once touched the TX-NR5007 and it was so hot I could only hold my fingers on it for about three seconds! The clicking was so annoying that I simply could not keep the unit; I had to get a refund.
The TX-NR5008 made a couple of big improvements over the TX-NR5007. The "Clicking" noises occurred far less. And the unit did not generate a lot of heat.
Unfortunately, the TX-NR5009 seems to be a step backward in the area of heat. I do not place my A/V Receivers in a cabinet. I place the A/V Receiver on a table, so it has plenty of ventilation. The back of the TX-NR5009 gets very hot! It is not as hot as the TX-NR5007, but it is still much hotter than the TX-NR5008. Could anyone please tell me if your TX-NR5009 is hot?
I would like to compliment Onkyo that the TX-NR5009 almost never "clicks." It "clicks" even less than the TX-NR5008. The unusual thing is that the TX-NR5009 will actually click when the unit is OFF! And it will sometimes click when the channel has not been changed, even when the volume is low. Does anyone know why this might be happening?Next Subject: MP3 Delay with USB Card
The one big problem I had with the TX-NR5008 is that I started using the USB Input to listen to songs stored on a USB Memory Card. I used songs in WMA, Variable Bit WMA, WAV, and MP3. When I would push "Play" the songs started playing instantly for every format except MP3. The MP3 songs would take exactly two seconds to load if the format was 128kbs, exactly four seconds to load if the format was 196kbs, and exactly EIGHT seconds to load if the format was 320kbs.
This problem with taking up to EIGHT seconds to hear an MP3 song seemed like a major problem. I sent my USB card to Onkyo in order to let them experiment with it. I was told Onkyo tested my USB card on two different TX-NR5008 A/V Receivers. I was told that neither of Onkyo's TX-NR5008 A/V Receivers suffered from that problem. So, I decided to return my TX-NR5008 for a refund. (Note: I believe Onkyo's firmware could be causing some of this problem, because prior to taking the unit back there was a firmware update that caused the 320kbs files to take exactly TEN SECONDS to be played from the time the Play button was pressed).
The TX-NR5009 also suffers from the problem of taking exactly EIGHT SECONDS to access a 320kbs MP3 file; exactly four seconds to access a 196kbs MP3 file; and exactly two seconds to access a 128kbs MP3 file. This makes me believe Onkyo was lying to me about their TX-NR5008 units not suffering from this problem. (Note: I have tried various USB cards. All of the USB cards have this problem). If anyone here owns the TX-NR5009, I would very much appreciate it if you could let me know if your TX-NR5009 suffers from this problem.Next Subject: Comcast DVR Problems and 480i Upconversion
The other problems I'm going to describe about the TX-NR5009 are being suffered by other people, as well.
The TX-NR5009 appears to suffer from a SEVERE problem with HDMI display when it receives a 480i signal. This is a SEVERE problem when you are using a Comcast DVR.
What's worse is that when you select "480p" as the 4:3 Override on the Comcast Menu, you will be fooled into thinking you have found a solution. 480p does eliminate the problem, but only temporarily. For some reason, the Comcast DVR will go back to displaying 480i resolution every time you shut it off, and often multiple times per day (I don't know what makes it switch back to 480i randomly at times).
All of the High-Definition channels on Comcast, which run at either 1080i or 720p resolution, work fine with the TX-NR5009. And all of the Standard-Definition channels work fine when 480p is being displayed. The problem is that 480p will not remain the permanent resolution. You need to switch it relatively often -- at least once per day -- and it gets annoying!
When you see the Comcast Standard-Definition channels in 480i resolution, you will notice several flaws on some (but not all) of the Standard-Definition channels:
* There will be a green vertical bar on the right side of the screen. This green bar will go from the bottom of the screen all the way to the top of the screen. The green bar will exist during TV shows and it will be displayed to the right of the Guide.
* Sometimes the entire screen will turn completely green!
* There will be a blue bar on the left side of the screen. This blue bar will go from the bottom of the screen to about one-third the height of the screen. The blue bar is exactly the same height as the Info display from Comcast. It is as if the Info display is running in the background the entire time, but the program you are watching covers it up in every area except that one spot on the left.
Again, these problems only happen in 480i resolution. But for some terrible reason the Comcast DVR constantly changes back to 480i resolution instead of remaining at 480p resolution. I have a 61" JVC HDTV and this problem does not occur when the Comcast DVR is connected directly to the HDTV. There is no doubt the cause of the problem is the Onkyo TX-NR5009.
Also, there is no doubt that it is not any one particular cable or any one particular Input causing the problem on the TX-NR5009. This is definitely some form of internal problem with the TX-NR5009.Next Subject: Blue Screen Problem
I would also like to describe something else. If anyone here owns a TX-NR5009, please let me know if your A/V Receiver behaves in this way.
When the A/V Receiver is on, you see a blue screen when items such as a game system, a DVR, or DVD player are turned off. I'm sure you are aware of this. But have you noticed that the blue screen is "different" on some of the inputs?
For example, most of my inputs such as Game, BD/DVD, and VCR/DVR say the resolution is 1920x1080p for the resolution. This results in a nice bright screen being displayed. The color can be described as "Light Blue."
However, there are times when there is a "Dark Blue" screen that is seen. If you select "PC" as the input, there will be a dark blue screen seen. This is very unusual, because the resolution is still being output at 1920x1080p according to the screen when I push Display.
Similarly, when I push "CBL/SAT" I see the dark blue screen, but this time it is even darker. This time the resolution says 720x480p. The screen is even darker here than it is for PC.
"Phono" also says the resolution is 720x480p. The screen is dark blue -- the very dark blue seen on CBL/SAT.
Do you know why this is? Does this happen to you?
I very much appreciate everyone taking the time to read this and help me.