or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Onkyo TX-NR3009 TX-NR5009 Spec's just realesed
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Onkyo TX-NR3009 TX-NR5009 Spec's just realesed - Page 2

post #31 of 321
Most of the time it comes down to personal preferences, which one to choose.
There never was and still isn't the "perfect" AVR within a given price range.
Most of the so-called "tremendous" SQ differences mentioned are either crossly overstated (by purpose ?) or are unfounded due to personal preferences or invalid comparison setup (if any), favoring one or the other unit for simple reasons stated numerous times.
post #32 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

It all comes down to the feature set and sound quality to fit your needs. Since it's on the way, I'd say test it out and if you're happy then keep it.

Good Advice. If you love it, keep it. I couldn't stand to wonder any longer, so I bought the A100 and the 5008. Forntuately the 5008 sounded slightly better to me. I found a lot I disliked about the 4311 when compared to the Onkyo. In the end, I guess it all boils down to personal preference.

I found the same dilemma with Garmin and TomTom. Loved the Garmin, Hated the TomTom.
post #33 of 321
Odd, the 3009 is showing in stock at amazon.
post #34 of 321
post #35 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spizz

Yes they have. See post above. Also no 11.2 Preouts and no Audyssey Pro?

Looks like cut corners to me.

At least Denon with their 3-4year old AVP-A1HD are getting Audyssey Pro via an paid Hardware upgrade in October, along with 3D, DTS Neo:X, DSX, etc.

So I beleive Onkyo, like Denon with their *new* range, seem to be dropping features (connectors, etc) to meet price points. Which is dissapointing on both their behalves.
What is wrong with you people? Onkyo's new receiver line is killer, they have added features not, taken away. They are better than ever,the 609,709,809,1009,3009 and 5009 are all offering state of the art features,power supplies, amp's and digital processing pre-amps, that blows the competition out of the water at any and every price level, are any of you aware of how superior the 2011 onkyo receivers are compared to the competition's at the same price points.


Check out the inards of the,
609, 809 or 3009 for example, they incorporate state of the art, high current power supplies, powerfull pre-amps and digital processors, peek under the hood of other reputable brand A/V receivers, and you wont find the same level of quality components, or build, for any where near there price point's. The 609,709, 809,1009,3009 and 5009 are absolute pure beast and would be twice the price if they were any other reputable brand other than ONKYO. the onkyo"s are the real deal at bargain prices. If you buy one, you wont be sorry! They have no real competition at ther price points!
post #36 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman777go View Post
What is wrong with you people? Onkyo's new receiver line is killer, they have added features not, taken away. They are better than ever,the 609,709,809,1009,3009 and 5009 are all offering state of the art features,power supplies, amp's and digital processing that blows the competition out of the water at any and every price level, are any of you aware of how superior the onkyo receivers are compared to the competition's at the same price points. Check out the inards of the 609 or 809 for example they are beefy,look inside others and you wont find the same level of quality components, or.build, for any where near there selling prices,from any other manufacturer. The 809,1009,3009 and 5009 would be twice the price if they were any other brand than ONKYO. the onkyo"s are the real deal at bargain prices. If you buy one, you wont be sorry! They have no real competition at ther price levels.
" They have no real competition at ther price levels " ....Like I said, you can buy the Denon 4311ci for $1457 shipped. Wouldn't that be a no brainer over the 5008/9?
post #37 of 321
[quote="dasanii19"]

" They have no real competition at ther price levels " ....Like I said, you can buy the Denon 4311ci for $1457 shipped. Wouldn't that be a no brainer over the 5008/9?[/iQUOTE]

The no brainer would be the 809 or 1009,they both do everything bigger, better and badder than the 4311ci and if you want even more than the world class onkyo's above, there's the 3009 any of these would be more than enough receiver for any and every one. there is nothing special about the 4311 except it's over priced,price tag! This years onkyos are better than last years. onkyo improved there inner design, so they also sound much smoother.
post #38 of 321
Hello,
While the 4311 is quite nice, I would give the Amplifier edge to the 5009. Granted it cannot support simultaneous 11.2, I wonder how many Rooms can truly accommodate it. Granted, it is inexcusable that the 3009/5009 do not offer this considering how little there is to differentiate them from the 3008/5008.
Cheers,
AD
post #39 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by Audiodork
Hello,
While the 4311 is quite nice, I would give the Amplifier edge to the 5009. Granted it cannot support simultaneous 11.2, I wonder how many Rooms can truly accommodate it. Granted, it is inexcusable that the 3009/5009 do not offer this considering how little there is to differentiate them from the 3008/5008.
Cheers,
AD
What's the point? very few people have room or a need for 11.2 . 9.2 is enough, for most !
post #40 of 321
I agree. That being said, with the HDMI Spec not changing, this would be the type of Feature that would make 3008/5008 Owners far more interested in these Models. As it stands, there really are not any substantial reasons for these Owners to even consider upgrading. Myself included.
post #41 of 321
I am guessing the new Onkyos still don't have assignable triggers like the 5508 or the Denons?
post #42 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

I agree. That being said, with the HDMI Spec not changing, this would be the type of Feature that would make 3008/5008 Owners far more interested in these Models. As it stands, there really are not any substantial reasons for these Owners to even consider upgrading. Myself included.

Personally,I much prefer the 2011 ONKYO's over last years models, they are much improved over previous incarnations, styling wise, features and innards, I am thankfull I didn't have the need to upgrade until this year, if I had last years model it would have been sold and replaced with a 2011 model but, that was not the case.

I also understand that if you own one of the 2010 models, you are probably not willing or ready to upgrade so soon.
Me, I would just sell the old, and buy the new!
This is, ONKYOs best model year, ever! so far.

Ultra Future Proofed!
post #43 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman777go View Post

Personally,I much prefer the 2011 ONKYO's over last years models, they are much improved over previous incarnations, styling wise, features and innards, I am thankfull I didn't have the need to upgrade until this year, if I had last years model it would have been sold and replaced with a 2011 model but, that was not the case.

I also understand that if you own one of the 2010 models, you are probably not willing or ready to upgrade so soon.
Me, I would just sell the old, and buy the new!
This is, ONKYOs best model year, ever! so far.

Ultra Future Proofed!

I really don't see anything special about the 2011 models. You won't see or hear any difference. Besides that, they took away the Tape Out feature. More money and less output. That is the way I see it. Plus who knows what kind of bugs will come with the new models.
post #44 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by skoobydoo View Post


I really don't see anything special about the 2011 models. You won't see or hear any difference. Besides that, they took away the Tape Out feature. More money and less output. That is the way I see it. Plus who knows what kind of bugs will come with the new models.

Have you experienced them live and in person? they are killer!
And so far this year the majority of people buying them are not returning them and are reporting much fewer issue's than in past model years, firmware updates from ONKYO are also helping with any problems or issue's anyone may or have had,Hdmi handshake issues, internet issue's and overheating issue's (built in fans) etc... I have had none of those issues with mine, so far!
post #45 of 321
[quote=luckyman777go;20872346]
Quote:
Originally Posted by dasanii19 View Post


" They have no real competition at ther price levels " ....Like I said, you can buy the Denon 4311ci for $1457 shipped. Wouldn't that be a no brainer over the 5008/9?[/iQUOTE]

The no brainer would be the 809 or 1009,they both do everything bigger, better and badder than the 4311ci and if you want even more than the world class onkyo's above, there's the 3009 any of these would be more than enough receiver for any and every one. there is nothing special about the 4311 except it's over priced,price tag! This years onkyos are better than last years. onkyo improved there inner design, so they also sound much smoother.

You really think the 809, 1009 are that much better?
post #46 of 321
Yes! I do.
post #47 of 321
Does any one know the processing power of the DSP chip? - it appears onkyo has gone from three DSP chips to one in the 5009/5509.
post #48 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenbr View Post

Does any one know the processing power of the DSP chip? - it appears onkyo has gone from three DSP chips to one in the 5009/5509.

By the time you reach the level of quality that the 809, 1009, 3009 and 5009 possess, you are at the point of diminishing returns, I do not know the exact processing power of the new chips, but I do know there is a single 32 bit DSP processing chip inside, that is powerfull, just like the receivers they occupy space ln. These new onkyo's are the ultimate expression of, state of the art, they are power house receivers that sound absolutely superb reproducing movie soundtracks and music. With these 2011 models, ONKYO has come full circle, they now perform, sound, look and feel,near perfected and complete.
post #49 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenbr View Post

- it appears onkyo has gone from three DSP chips to one in the 5009/5509.

thanks for pointing that out
post #50 of 321
I am pretty excited about DTS Neo X. A reviewer at another board said it was very nice, especially if you are running heights.


Quote:
Originally Posted by e2g_ View Post


thanks for pointing that out
post #51 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman777go View Post

Have you experienced them live and in person? they are killer!
And so far this year the majority of people buying them are not returning them and are reporting much fewer issue's than in past model years, firmware updates from ONKYO are also helping with any problems or issue's anyone may or have had,Hdmi handshake issues, internet issue's and overheating issue's (built in fans) etc... I have had none of those issues with mine, so far!

Comparing the 5009 to a 609 is like comparing an apple to a peanut. The 5009 is way more complicated and not likely that it will be trouble free. Nor is it likely the 5009 will sound better than the 5008, as it pretty much has the same parts.
post #52 of 321
Im having a hard time accepting the 809/1009 is that much better then the denon 4311ci.. Any other comments on this?
post #53 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman777go View Post

By the time you reach the level of quality that the 809, 1009, 3009 and 5009 possess, you are at the point of diminishing returns, I do not know the exact processing power of the new chips, but I do know they are 32 bit and powerfull,just like the receivers they occupy space ln.

You are way to 'excited' about these - I suspect you work for Onkyo or they are paying you to advertise for them. If not, settle down - they did not cure cancer.

btw, your statement is wrong - only the 5008 has 32 bit processing... the others are 24bit.
post #54 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livin View Post
You are way to 'excited' about these - I suspect you work for Onkyo or they are paying you to advertise for them. If not, settle down - they did not cure cancer.
I think his posts speak for themselves.
post #55 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by skoobydoo View Post


Comparing the 5009 to a 609 is like comparing an apple to a peanut. The 5009 is way more complicated and not likely that it will be trouble free. Nor is it likely the 5009 will sound better than the 5008, as it pretty much has the same parts.

I am referring to 2011 ONKYO's across the board as a complete line
309--509--609--709--809--1009 and now the 3009--5009 that are fresh off the press and have 0 history, time will tell.

The other six 2011 models have proven themselfs to be more reliable, exhibit fewer problems, and have much fewer returns than previous generations of ONKYO's,
SO FAR!
post #56 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman777go View Post

I am referring to 2011 ONKYO's across the board as a complete line
309--509--609--709--809--1009 and now the 3009--5009 that are fresh off the press and have 0 history, time will tell.

The other six 2011 models have proven themselfs to be more reliable, exhibit fewer problems, and have much fewer returns than previous generations of ONKYO's,
SO FAR!

Can you tell me exactly what is so much better about the 1009 over the 4311ci?
post #57 of 321
[quote="luckyman777go"]

I am referring to 2011 ONKYO's across the board as a complete line
309--509--609--709--809--1009 and now the 3009--5009 that are fresh off the press and have 0 history, time will tell.

The other six 2011 models have proven themselfs to be more reliable, exhibit fewer problems, and have much fewer returns than previous generations of ONKYO's,
SO FAR!
post #58 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman777go View Post

If anyone wants current info on any of the new ONKYOS, go to the web site, 32bit DSP processing is right there in the specs, for all of the 2011 models


I bet you can't hear the difference between the 24bit dacs and the 32bit dacs. Plus aren't hdmi cables limited to 24bit anyways?
post #59 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livin View Post


You are way to 'excited' about these - I suspect you work for Onkyo or they are paying you to advertise for them. If not, settle down - they did not cure cancer.

btw, your statement is wrong - only the 5008 has 32 bit processing... the others are 24bit.

The single DSP processing chip in all, is 32 bit, the individual DAC's for each channel are burr brown 192/24 bit in all, except the 5008--5009 they both have burr brown 192/32 bit DAC's for each channel.

I am not that excited, I am positive, and appreciate the fact that ONKYO gives you more for your money, than most, including high quality, high current power supplies with very large to massive main power transformers.

I am sure, being
audiophiles, that you know how important the power supply and amplifier design is, for best performance and ONKYO does it right, some others cheat in that departmant, SONY's standard line comes to mind, and onkyo's feature set on this years A/V receiver line is second to none, with an excellent onscreen GUI, starting with the entry level midrange TX-NR509, and, as you move up the line, it just keeps getting better and better!

Both the 3009--5009, have 11.2 channel pre-outs and binding post connectors, for up to 11 speakers!
All in/out connectors,front and rear,are gold plated on the TX-NR5009.

Also,the attractive, industrial clean,
fresh art deco
face lift, was a much overdue, welcome change!

ONKYO, as a company, has one major, negative strike against it, The cusomer service is amongst the worst in the business,
it is exact opposite of there product line,
not sure what to make of that.



As a product brand, ONKYO
receivers and amps, remind
me of THOR, very powerfull and strong.
post #60 of 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by dasanii19 View Post


I bet you can't hear the difference between the 24bit dacs and the 32bit dacs. Plus aren't hdmi cables limited to 24bit anyways?

And I bet, you are right!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Onkyo TX-NR3009 TX-NR5009 Spec's just realesed