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I built a hinged door to get at the thermostat controls hidden inside the first column:

I was thinking of doing something similar on my column by the entry door. Instead of having a bank of 5 or 6 dimmer switches on the face of the column, I was thinking of leaving the actual dimmers behind a hinged panel and mounting a single 6-button keypad flush with the face of the column that would control all of the lighting scenes. Would the code police frown on hidden light switches?

Awesome progress by the way. The columns and panels look great.
post #242 of 346
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Well I was getting my second behringer amp set up today when I found that I have had the first one removing all bass below 30hz when going to the dts-10.
post #243 of 346
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I have one channel on one of my Behringer EP-4000's that wasn't being used for anything, so I ordered a couple of transducers to try out. One is a Clark brand, the other is a Buttkicker. The Clarks are about half the cost so I figured I could compare to see if the performance of the Buttkickers justified the extra cost. I also only bought two because I'm not sure the tactile effect is something that I would enjoy, I remember watching a movie at CEDIA and sitting on a D-Box motion couch and it just wasn't for me.



I googled for Clark Berkline installs and there is not much information available. When I turned over one of the Berks, I saw that you don't have a lot of room to mount anything in there. The reclining mechanism takes up most of the space but there was a shallow horizontal area between the seat and the slides. I cut a piece of plywood to go across that area, bolted on the Clark, and it just barely fit.

I had to run a new wire through the tubing in the riser and into the equipment room, hooked everything up, and it all worked! The impact tremor scene in Jurassic Park now feels the way it should. I did have to keep turning the amp channel way down until the tactile effect was not too overbearing.
post #244 of 346
Chris,
Been following your thread for a while now. Betsy and I will be in town next week to see your baby in person, both figuratively and literally wink.gif
The theater looks great so far. Such a change from the unfinished basement you started with. I realize it is not completely finished yet, but you have a lot to be proud of.
-Mark
post #245 of 346
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We are looking forward to seeing you guys! While the women are out shopping we can have some fun and rack all the gear and maybe set up some of the ip2ir remote controls.

The productivity has really slowed down with the newborn taking up most of the time but I've gotten a bit done here and there while he naps.

Some things accomplished in the past week -

- Rear wall is 100% complete (would post some pics if HuskerOmaha ever brings over his camera and tripod!) The rear wall is floor to ceiling OC703 with some thin plastic stretched over it per a recommendation from BigmouthinDC.

- HTPC has been modified and is now running Mediabrowser which launches movies in MPC-HC which has been configured to use MadVR and show movies at the proper 24fps (23.9xx?). If this doesn't mean anything to you, don't worry, it didn't to me either. With some help and advice from Anders and Desertdome got it all up and running, and I think it does look better than trying to run everything at the default 60hz refresh rate.

- The Buttkicker branded transducer arrived, it is 5x the weight and power of the Clark Synthesis transducer at approximately 2x the price. This has pros and cons, the extra power would be good if you have a way to use it, as things sit I already have the Clark turned way down as it was more than powerful enough for one seat. I am going to use the Buttkicker to power two seats. To do this, I've ordered a custom cut piece of steel from a local shop, it will be 50"x8"x1/4" and have holes drilled in it so it can bolt into the bottom of two of the Berklines and then the Buttkicker will bolt onto the steel panel. The piece should get cut next week, if it all works I'll post some pictures.

- I ran out of plywood for my panels. I thought I had cut enough back on the day we turned my driveway into a sawmill. I had measured and it should have been enough. What I failed to account for is the length of the pieces were 8' (4x8 sheets) but the upper row of panels for the room are 50" tall. An 8' piece cut in half is 48" tall, so every time I cut one of my 50" panels, I'm wasting the other 46". If I could do it all over I would have adjusted the chair rail 2" higher so my upper panels would be 48" tall.

- Ordered two more SHO-10's for the side surrounds and hopefully they ship out soon. With those in place I'll have matching speakers all around.
post #246 of 346
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Got a bit better picture of the back of the room, the flash lit it up enough that I can see some areas that I missed, cannot see those under the normal room lighting. I can also see the plastic layer shining through the gom on the upper back wall.

post #247 of 346
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- Rear wall is 100% complete (would post some pics if HuskerOmaha ever brings over his camera and tripod!) The rear wall is floor to ceiling OC703 with some thin plastic stretched over it per a recommendation from BigmouthinDC.
- HTPC has been modified and is now running Mediabrowser which launches movies in MPC-HC which has been configured to use MadVR and show movies at the proper 24fps (23.9xx?). If this doesn't mean anything to you, don't worry, it didn't to me either. With some help and advice from Anders and Desertdome got it all up and running, and I think it does look better than trying to run everything at the default 60hz refresh rate.


The 24 fps change is huge. Desertdome modified my HTPC in some setting to get me there-not sure what I had set up wrong.

If you are home tomorrow lmk, can bring the camera/tripod over but a couple toddlers will be in tow.


Looking great!
post #248 of 346
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The 24 fps change is huge. Desertdome modified my HTPC in some setting to get me there-not sure what I had set up wrong.
If you are home tomorrow lmk, can bring the camera/tripod over but a couple toddlers will be in tow.
Looking great!

Can't this week, out of town next week, let's plan for the week after that.

The 24fps change via mediabrowser was incredibly glitchy and frustrating, I wound up disabling it for now and am watching at 60hz with the 3:2 pulldown. I may take the htpc with us next week to work on it while we are at the in-laws farm, isn't much else to do there. I want to try to configure xbmc and set it at 24fps, see if it handles it better than mediabrowser does.
post #249 of 346
MadVR can also automatically change display modes for you although I prefer to let the player switch.
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while we are at the in-laws farm, isn't much else to do there
If they have internet access you can take a laptop and then just stream all your movies or music from your HTPC. Actually, all you need is access to a web browser and know your 6 digit JRiver access key and you can stream from anywhere in the world. You could also stream to an Android phone, iPad, etc. smile.gif

My brother that lives in Los Angeles will be watching the Nebraska/Southern Miss game sometime this week with his family and streaming it from my HTPC.
post #250 of 346
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Can't this week, out of town next week, let's plan for the week after that.
The 24fps change via mediabrowser was incredibly glitchy and frustrating, I wound up disabling it for now and am watching at 60hz with the 3:2 pulldown. I may take the htpc with us next week to work on it while we are at the in-laws farm, isn't much else to do there. I want to try to configure xbmc and set it at 24fps, see if it handles it better than mediabrowser does.

I am also having problems running 24p.

 

I use Media Browser to launch MPC-HC with MadVR installed (as mentioned above).  The problem is that the MadVR Auto-Changing feature does not have enough control of my computer's video settings.  This means it cannot change the display automatically.  At least, not that I've found yet.

 

To get around this, I created a Catalyst profile for 24p and 60p.  Then, I setup a shortcut key for each (ctrl-shift F2 and ctrl-shft F6 respectively).  The idea is that I load a movie and hit the shortcut key to switch to 24p.

 

So far, like you said, I've had nothing but problems.  The ONLY way I've gotten this to work is to start the video in windowed mode, change my video settings to 24p, then go full screen.  Any other combination has failed so far because at so many points, my computer tries to flip back to 60p automatically.  I even tried keeping everything running in 24p, which causes the normal UI to run very framey.  But, I will keep trying and will let you know if I find a good way to do this.

 

I agree that 24p is so much better than 3:2 pulldown, making the motion much smoother (a plus for RS45 owners like me).

 

EDIT: After looking a little more online here, I found that there is an auto-change setting in MPC itself that is supposed to work well.  I'll try that tonight.


Edited by stevegravley - 9/5/12 at 3:34pm
post #251 of 346
I had to do some fiddling for a while before I could get 24p and black levels right with XBMC, but once I did, its been great. For a while I kept watching carefully to see if there were any frame drops, synch issues - and then going back and trying another combination of settings, until I finally seemed to get it right.
post #252 of 346
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I tried the mode switching in both mad-vr and in mpc-hc itself. It works, just not consistently. Sometimes the taskbar would overlay the window even though it was running in full screen mode. Sometimes the sound would drop and you'd have to reboot, etc. Too many headaches. And for my wife to ever have a shot at using that on her own? Forgetaboutit.

I meant I might bring the htpc out with us to the farm to have some time to get xbmc installed and configured.

Since the baby was born productivity has dropped by about 90%. I can never get anything done.
post #253 of 346
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Spent a lot of time over the last week porting the hptc over from mediabrowser to xmbc. the xbmc looks great, bitstreams hd audio and runs natively at 24 fps!!! The only downside is it crashes or freezes up every third movie or so, requiring a ctrl/alt/del and full restart. HTPC is such a great concept and so frustratingly buggy.

Got the Monster 300 (logitech clone) remote all set up and programmed and the RF hub programmed and synced. Plugged it all in and fired it up and...it doesn't work.
post #254 of 346
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Spent a lot of time over the last week porting the hptc over from mediabrowser to xmbc. the xbmc looks great, bitstreams hd audio and runs natively at 24 fps!!! The only downside is it crashes or freezes up every third movie or so, requiring a ctrl/alt/del and full restart. HTPC is such a great concept and so frustratingly buggy.
Got the Monster 300 (logitech clone) remote all set up and programmed and the RF hub programmed and synced. Plugged it all in and fired it up and...it doesn't work.

XBMC bombed on me once in a while too. J River Media Center does it to me once in a while as well. Just part of the game I guess. Usually when I have multiple things up and I've had a film on pause for extended periods/switching between full and window viewing/etc.
post #255 of 346
Fantastic thread and a very impressive build. I've only skimmed it so far but wow - you've put in a lot of work. . . . . and in Omaha to boot - I know where that is! smile.gif

I'm subscribed and looking forward to watching the progress!
post #256 of 346
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Thanks. Desertdome is organizing an Omaha Home Theater event you might be interested in.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1427697/omaha-home-theater-tour-october-27-2012

Free entry and he is rounding up a bunch of door prizes including J River licenses, The Home Theater Book and I'm sure many more goodies.

I'm going to have a few items that I purchased but didn't wind up using available for sale for bargain bin prices. Should be a new Buttkicker LFE (I wound up using all Clark transducers), a pair of Emtiva ERD-1 surrounds and a Moho Rosa MFW-15 with the diamond finish.

October 27th is fast approaching, it's nice to have a hard deadline that I can work towards. I doubt I'll have all the HTPC issues resolved but I should have the room complete, only 9 more wall panels to go!
post #257 of 346
I'll check out that thread and see if I can attend. Thanks for the tip - It'd be nice to actually see some of this stuff in person.
post #258 of 346
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the xbmc looks great, bitstreams hd audio and runs natively at 24 fps!!! The only downside is it crashes or freezes up every third movie or so, requiring a ctrl/alt/del and full restart. HTPC is such a great concept and so frustratingly buggy.

Your theater build is very nice.

 

What are the specs on the PC?

 

I've been running XBMC Dharma and now Eden for over 6 months. Very stable for me. The only time I've seen it crash is while testing LRC (Lyrics) on Dharma once. Are you running any strange XBMC Add-ons ?

 

My HTPC Specs:
10 tb storage and closet hidden

ASRock P43DE3 ATX - Northbridge: Intel P43 ~ Southbridge: Intel ICH10
Intel Core2 Duo e6600 2.4Ghz Dual-Core 64bit

Crucial 16gb (4x4gb) 240-pin DDR3-1333 (PC3 10600)

AMD-ATI XFX 5670 1gb PCIe - HDMI to Onkyo

Windows-7 Pro 64bit

AMD Catalyst v11.12

XBMC v11.0 (Eden) w/ DXVA2 enabled

 

See below for rest of system.


Edited by Tesla1856 - 9/24/12 at 1:56pm
post #259 of 346
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Thanks Tesla.

My htpc is a year old. I build it using the hardware guide available at the time on Assassin's paid guide from the home theater pc forum here.

Intel Sandy Bridge cpu with Intel 2000 graphics
gigabyte motherboard
SSD for operating system
4gigs ram
Nvidia 430
Win 7 home

It runs mpc-hc just fine at 24fps. I have not had any luck getting anything else to consistently run at 24fps so I finally gave up. I think I'll stick with media browser running at 60hz for now. For anything I must watch at 24fps I will manually open up mpc-hc and launch it.

When I upgrade to a new JVC or Panasonic projector during the next couple years I will revisit the htpc software and give it all another chance.


The latest updates on the theater -

Desertdome stopped over and helped me get the DCX set up and bass is now routed correctly between the subs, rather than everything going to both.

I have ordered volume controls for the tranducers, I will build them into the chairs later this week

Finished another frame over the weekend and cut more plywood so I can get more built this week, 11 more to go!

The last two SHO-10 speakers arrived, I need to build shelves for them and mount them in the columns, once that is done all 7 speakers will be matched.
post #260 of 346
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Thanks Tesla.
 
It runs mpc-hc just fine at 24fps. I have not had any luck getting anything else to consistently run at 24fps so I finally gave up. I think I'll stick with media browser running at 60hz for now. For anything I must watch at 24fps I will manually open up mpc-hc and launch it.
 

Well, as we all know ... a good Blu-Ray player and real disc will utilize/play/demo the whole system the best ... that's all you really NEED ("wants" are another thing). smile.gif

 

However, it sounded like you were really into HTPCs so I posted. I have quite a bit of experience with HTPCs and computers/networks in general. A stable HTPC (or little commercial media-box player & NAS) is a nice addition to any HT these days. I guess it's the whole idea of a "movie jukebox" is what's cool. But I'm pretty picky ... if it can't duplicate the AV quality of inserting the real disc into a real player ... I'm usually not interested ... that's what I'm always striving for. Thing is, that "bar gets higher" every year as tech. advances and better quality source material becomes available.

 

Of course lesser HT systems can always use upgrades ... but it's also cool to think of ways to make ultimate theaters (like yours) even better. You have already put so much work, thought, and money into it ... taking it to the next level is fun. Sure, HTPC can always wait till the end or "v2.0"

 

When/if you are ready for HTPC ... I suggest you take a close look at the PC and OS itself. Then, drop into the XBMC forums. And yes, I've chatted with Assassin before here ... but I still say that AMD is a better HTPC card that nVidia (remember, they got all the ATI tech a while back).


Edited by Tesla1856 - 9/24/12 at 1:58pm
post #261 of 346
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I got a few more things done this weekend. The right side wall is done and the sconce lights are installed. XBMC is configured and I got the genres all set up for browsing. I did try an ATI card and I think the issue is not with the htpc but with my Onkyo receiver instead.

I also got around to downloading the XBMC remote control app on my touchpad and it works pretty well. I still want to buy touchsquid and set up the itach but that is going to have to wait a while.




























post #262 of 346
nice, those panels look great!
post #263 of 346
Nice job on the panels, nebrunner. Hope to be wrapping mine soon.
post #264 of 346
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Thanks, I think I have about 60 panels done and 7 left to go. The pictures of all the panels stacked in your thread are CRAZY!!! Since I was working on mine a few at a time I never had them all stacked in one place like that.

I have been puttering around with the tablet controls a bit more each day. Yesterday I got the itach installed and configured and bought a $20 version of touchsquid to control the Onkyo receiver and turn the projector on and off. I will also see if it will control my Lutron dimmer.

Some of the other apps I have been using are premotedroid which allows me mouse control of my htpc but the screen of the tablet becomes a giant touchpad. Remotelauncher is an app that lets me launch any program or reboot or power down the pc. I have it set up mostly to launch xbmc, premotedroid and also ps3 media server. I also installed it on my phone so I can control things from anywhere in the house.
post #265 of 346
Panels and the room in general look great nebrunner!
post #266 of 346
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Thanks Brad! Finished 3 more panels this weekend, only 3 left to go. The finish line is in sight.

I ran a new IR blaster line from the equipment room and now have tablet control over the lighting and the projector. It would be really nice to have a 7" tablet with one of the built in IR blasters, right now the only one available with those specs is a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 which is a bit on the expensive and underpowered side, hopefully some of the next generation tablets will include the IR emitters. Or maybe we get a great holiday sale on the Samsungs.
post #267 of 346
Hey nebrunner,
You've got an awesome theater... Or should I say "home cinema"...
Instead of switching to a tablet with IR capability, have you considered using a wifi connected IR blaster like the global cache units? http://www.amazon.com/Global-Cache-WF2IR-iTach-Wi-Fi/dp/B0051BU418
post #268 of 346
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 It would be really nice to have a 7" tablet with one of the built in IR blasters ...

I thought you just needed WiFi ...

 

http://thinkflood.com/products/redeye/

 

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/remotes/universal-remotes/harmony-link

post #269 of 346
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True both of you, and I do already own one of the itachs and have been using it and appreciate what it can do. The issue is that my gear is all in a separate server room, which is where the itach is located. In the theater itself the two items I want to control is an IR Lutron Maestro light switch at the entry, and the projector hanging at the far rear of the room.

I ran a 25' 3.5mm extension cable through the tubing I built into the walls and it comes out above the projector, and to that I attached the Itach's IR blaster. Their is signal loss due to the length of the cable run, and it also has off axis issues controlling the light switch. If I had the redundancy of the IR emitter built into the tablet it would help, also since the tablet is in the front row of seats it is much closer to the light switch and that will help too.

There are some other issues with some of the apps not playing well with portrait mode, and it would be nice to have a smaller sized tablet to hard mount onto the chair and have it serve purely as a remote. But I don't want to spend a bunch either, I am spoiled right now because I was able to get the Touchpad during the $99 fire sale.
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True both of you, and I do already own one of the itachs and have been using it and appreciate what it can do. The issue is that my gear is all in a separate server room, which is where the itach is located. In the theater itself the two items I want to control is an IR Lutron Maestro light switch at the entry, and the projector hanging at the far rear of the room.
I ran a 25' 3.5mm extension cable through the tubing I built into the walls and it comes out above the projector, and to that I attached the Itach's IR blaster. Their is signal loss due to the length of the cable run, and it also has off axis issues controlling the light switch. If I had the redundancy of the IR emitter built into the tablet it would help, also since the tablet is in the front row of seats it is much closer to the light switch and that will help too.
There are some other issues with some of the apps not playing well with portrait mode, and it would be nice to have a smaller sized tablet to hard mount onto the chair and have it serve purely as a remote. But I don't want to spend a bunch either, I am spoiled right now because I was able to get the Touchpad during the $99 fire sale.

I bought this but haven't really had a use for it yet (turned out that Epson 8350 Projector has crazy good IR reception).

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011009&p_id=7973&seq=1&format=2

 

My HTPC is closet hidden also.

 

Instead of buying an "active/powered" USB cable, I just used a standard 4-6ft USB 2.0 cable (through the wall) to a powered USB hub in the viewing room. This helps in all sorts of ways.

 

I'm liking my new iPad-2, but I also like my little $100 Android tablet...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858683003&Tpk=iview-760tpc

 

Either should work for you once you pick your OS. Battery life is much better on the iPad2. Right now, I just use the Harmony. For tweaking the HTPC, I use UltraVNC from the office. I also have a Logitech 2.4ghz keyboard and mouse set for the HTPC, but I don't use it much (usually only low-level setup stuff).

 

Google $200 Nexus would be next pick from Android camp.

 

I think Vizio use to sell a tablet with IR, but personally, I would go the way descibed above (keep it wireless/WiFi).

 

I'm not completely clear on your entire setup, but maybe some of the above might be helpful.

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