Originally Posted by Brunt
Called Emotiva...they confirmed this to me on the phone. Also, different enclosure, but not really any bigger so really were relying on the amp to push the driver to do things it couldn't do before.
So if the driver is identical (except for the mounting flange perhaps), and the cabinet is pretty much the same, then it seems like all the upgrades are in the electronics? That makes it hard to justify the 25% price increase on the 10", and the whopping 40% jump on the 12"!
Originally Posted by Brunt
I'm sure it will be much better, but what scares me is what Emo claims on their Ultra 12, those figures were more more or less a joke according to measurements taken by people on this forum.
Just for my own edification... how bad were the numbers? I'm not familiar with the situation.
According to what I've seen Emotiva list as their product line the Ultra Series is the entry level, the X-Ref is the middle and the Reference is top of the line. The Ultra subs appear to be gone -- well, the 10" is, and I would imagine the 12" is not long for this world -- which means they have no "low end" for the subs now. By extension wouldn't that then make the X-Ref the new low end? And if the only real difference between the new and old subs is electronics I'm not sure that should warrant an entirely new product line. To me, that seems merely to be an evolutionary upgrade to the Ultra Series.
I've been looking for a relatively small, sealed sub for a few months now. I had settled on a few possibilities, but all things considered the Ultra 10 was probably at the top of that list. I was waiting for the "temporary" backorder to be over, but it seemed like it was taking an awfully long time. So I contacted Emotiva, only to find out that temporary, in this case, was like certain forms of insanity; it was permanent. The Ultra 12 is a slight bit large for what I need, so I started looking at my other alternatives.
For some reason though, I never stopped thinking about the Emotiva. When I saw they released new subs -- in the product line 'above' the Ultra -- I was elated. Now, looking closer, I'm not so sure. Same driver; virtually same cabinet; same quoted frequency response (25Hz-200Hz, still with no published indication of what the -3dB point); phase no longer variable; no knobs or dials for adjustments!?
That last point is perhaps the worst for me (that, plus the unrealistic price increase). I work with computers for a living, so electronics is something I'm very familiar with. Which is partially why I like knobs and dials better.
Jokes aside, I would much rather have physical dials for the usual suspects: gain, phase, crossover. That's so
much easier. I don't know how intuitive the new interface will be, but I surely don't want to wade through a multitude of menus just to change something elementary like the gain. If convenience was their goal then perhaps including a remote control would have been wise, or place knobs on the cabinet side, but going all digital does seem a bit extreme (like a solution in search of a problem).
And what about patches and updates? You can be certain they will find a few bugs, or want to add an enhancement somewhere down the road, yet I don't see a USB port. Wonder how they'll manage that.
The total weight is about 10% heavier, which for a subwoofer is generally a good thing. And the RMS watts are 50% greater, which is a very good thing. I'm sure the DSP and EQ's will make it far more complex to setup properly -- meaning there are even more variables to contend with now -- but I imagine they'll go a long way towards dialing in the sub with greater detail then before. Guess that one is a double-edged sword.
I'm anxiously looking forward to some of the reviews though. In spite of what it might seem (my obvious reservations) I definitely have Emotiva on my short list. They seem to be one of the better ID companies, which is very appealing to me.