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post #1141 of 1422
Demopad is good but will need a lot more programming.I have it but found roomie so much easier.Also the database in Demopad is not as robust so you will have to hunt down the codes.Apparently demopad is going to be releasing a hardware controller of some type.
post #1142 of 1422
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

Any word on subscription pricing? Will I have to update to iOS 7 on my 4s to use the app?

$17-Year.
post #1143 of 1422
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Originally Posted by labfm View Post

It's not like you paid $1000. it's barely $50.

The fact that you expect lifetime upgrades for free is laughable to me. What do you do to earn a living?

I think its the notion of something you bought outright turning into something you have to suddenly make payments on.

The app store is filled with apps that cost $0.99 So, when you think about buying one for $50... you figure it better be a fairly nice one.

If Sony sent me a letter and said I could only keep using my projector if I wanted to start paying them $20 a year ... it would surely disturb me.

I wouldn't suggest ANYONE should work for free. So, if you want to make something new just give it a new name. That's the way it works. I can still play old sports games ... if I wanted to, I could replace them every year with the new ones but the old ones still work.

(Though they remotely dis-able some features ... what a bummer ... but that's off topic.)
post #1144 of 1422
I do not know but I would try installing the app before installing iOS 7.
post #1145 of 1422
Hey,

I love the XBMC guide! Its FANTASTIC. (If you use XBMC)

I'm not sure about the gestures. Good thing is ... its nearly hard to bring them up. I think if my wife or kids saw the gestures screens they'd be mad about how confusing it is...

Only bummer is I figured an original Ipad was the ultimate device for roomie. It doesn't even have a camera so it's kind of a dud as a feesable tablet. But, dedicated to Roomie it's amazing. - But, it can't run with the new version... What a bummer as I have a original ipad devoted just to roomie. I guess I will dedicate that one to movies the kids can watch when we travel instead.


-Brian
post #1146 of 1422
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Originally Posted by labfm View Post

It's not like you paid $1000. it's barely $50.

The fact that you expect lifetime upgrades for free is laughable to me. What do you do to earn a living?

Did you read my earlier post:

In my company we had a similar issue. There is a software we make that needs to be updated 3 to 4 times a year. When we started selling licenses of it, we didn't sell subscriptions. After 3 years, we decided to move to the subscription model, but all customers who already purchased the licenses still have free upgrades and fixes and the new subscriptions were offered only to new customers!! The result?? Our first customers that were the people who helped to develop the the trust in our software now advocates even more in our favor and everyone is happy. I think Roomie staff needs to understand that most of the success of the software is because we gave it positive reviews, we talk about in the forums and to our friends.

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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

I think its the notion of something you bought outright turning into something you have to suddenly make payments on.

The app store is filled with apps that cost $0.99 So, when you think about buying one for $50... you figure it better be a fairly nice one.

If Sony sent me a letter and said I could only keep using my projector if I wanted to start paying them $20 a year ... it would surely disturb me.

I wouldn't suggest ANYONE should work for free. So, if you want to make something new just give it a new name. That's the way it works. I can still play old sports games ... if I wanted to, I could replace them every year with the new ones but the old ones still work.

(Though they remotely dis-able some features ... what a bummer ... but that's off topic.)

That is the idea and when they were selling the software instead of subscriptions they promised adding new IR codes and new guide features with no additional costs. It is not about the absolute values they are charging, it is about ETHICS!!
Edited by nickba - 10/2/13 at 2:27pm
post #1147 of 1422
If the roomie for ios5 had xbmc guide,.. I think I would buy it.

I do already own a version of roomie for ios5,... But it would be worth it
post #1148 of 1422
The subscription thing is taken care of. Why are we still talking about it? If you have the roomie remote already there is no subscription. If you are now buying it you will have to pay for a subscription. Any questions about not understanding this?

Not trying to be rude but there is just too much whining going on right now about something that has been taken care of.
post #1149 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

The subscription thing is taken care of. Why are we still talking about it? If you have the roomie remote already there is no subscription. If you are now buying it you will have to pay for a subscription. Any questions about not understanding this?

Not trying to be rude but there is just too much whining going on right now about something that has been taken care of.

No it was not taken care of! They simply decided to not upgrade the devices and the HD guide for now on for people who already bought the packs, but when they were selling those packs they mentioned about future support for new devices and HD guide upgrades. I bought these packs about 10 months ago and I am still wainting for some supported devices(as custom feedback is not supported) and support for my country in HD guide. That's why I insist it not is about the absolute values they are charging, it is about ETHICS!!
post #1150 of 1422
Ok. I bought my app last month. It happens and the reason why I don't care is because 17 dollars. We are talking about 17 dollars a year. C'mon man! Go a different rout and you will see that 17 dollars is a pretty ok deal. Good luck finding quarters in your couch to pay for a subscription.
post #1151 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Ok. I bought my app last month. It happens and the reason why I don't care is because 17 dollars. We are talking about 17 dollars a year. C'mon man! Go a different rout and you will see that 17 dollars is a pretty ok deal. Good luck finding quarters in your couch to pay for a subscription.

For me is not the price is the attitude. If you don't have Ethics for US$17.00, you don't have for US$1000000000.00. If I sell you an OS for US$10000.00 and promise free updates and upgrades and after that I tell you that you need to pay US$3000.00/year subscription? You may answer: US$3000.00 a year?? That is too much(almost 30% of the value I already paid!!!) !!

I tell you: It is the same!!! US$17.00 a year represents almost 30% of what you already paid for Roomie and all packs!! Now imagine 1000 users. They paid about US$60000.00 and it will be US$17000.00 of subscription/year. So it is about Ethics.

I run a company too and would never do that to my customers.

Just to make it clear:

1- If they were releasing a new product and making it clear it would have subscriptions, no problem!
2- If they were releasing a new product and telling you that it would have updates until next version, no problem!
3- If they were releasing a new product and telling you that it would have updates and enhacements with no additional costs and after you buy they change their mind: THIS IS THE PROBLEM!

Have you heard about Google Apps? It was free. They got a lot of attention and a lot of people signed up. One day they decided it would not be free anymore. What they did? All free account are still free and all new accounts will have to pay a subscription: This is fair. THIS IS RIGHT!
Edited by nickba - 10/2/13 at 8:56pm
post #1152 of 1422
Has anyone had a problem using Roomie Remote with the Marantz AV-8801 pre/pro, using IP control? I've had great difficulty in sustaining an internet connection to it, from one session to the next. I'm using DHCP, which did not give me problems with my Denon AVR-4810CI. But with the 8801, I feel like I have to delete the device and reinstall it, in order for it to work. Then, after shutting everything down and coming back to it the next night, I'm right back to the 8801 not receiving Roomie commands again. It's unclear to me if this is a Roomie problem or an issue with the 8801.

FWIW, the 8801's network connection is set to "Always On."

TIA for any assistance you can provide.

Regards,

Scott
post #1153 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Scott-C View Post

Has anyone had a problem using Roomie Remote with the Marantz AV-8801 pre/pro, using IP control? I've had great difficulty in sustaining an internet connection to it, from one session to the next. I'm using DHCP, which did not give me problems with my Denon AVR-4810CI. But with the 8801, I feel like I have to delete the device and reinstall it, in order for it to work. Then, after shutting everything down and coming back to it the next night, I'm right back to the 8801 not receiving Roomie commands again. It's unclear to me if this is a Roomie problem or an issue with the 8801.

FWIW, the 8801's network connection is set to "Always On."

TIA for any assistance you can provide.

Regards,

Scott

I no longer own the 8801, but when I did I never had this issue. FWIW, I always like to set my devices with static IPs, so you might want to try they.

If Roomie is talking to everything else normally, it's likely the 8801.
post #1154 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

iOS 7 auto-uptate of apps is a setting that you can disable. It's not a Roomie issue but an iOS7 feature. So if you don't want this happening to all your apps, you should disable it.
I was thinking exactly the same thing!
post #1155 of 1422
By the way, I understand people being mad those days. Since I updated my ipads, ipods and iphones to ios7, i run into many bugs, errors, lockups. I thought apple software was stable, my god! the whole ipad seems more unstable, and I mean with many different apps...

It has nothing to do with roomie, but roomie is one of the apps that got very buggy for me after those recent upgrades...
post #1156 of 1422
New people to universal remotes need us to help keep the perspective. And I'm not talking geezer "back in my day," we are talking 2 years ago.

If buying an ipad mini for just remote use seems overkill, what do people think about POS devices that were the horribly overpriced Harmony remotes?

I think someone should make a YouTube Harmony vs Roomie video of step-by-step comparisons of setting up a Harmony remote via USB and the PC program. After 12 hours and $400 you have a single-use device remote that chews through 4 AAA batteries like water and can't play games, surf the net, update itself via wifi, my God on and on.

Just keep perspective guys, offloading $1200-$3000 a year for cable/Internet and then griping about ~$20 to keep a remote app updated... -_-


edit* spelling
Edited by Cravit8 - 10/3/13 at 8:32am
post #1157 of 1422
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

New people to universal remotes need us to help keep the perspective. And I'm not talking geezer "back in my day," we are talking 2 years ago.

If buying an ipad mini for just remote us seems overkill, what do people think about POS devices that were the horribly overpriced Harmony remotes?

I think someone should make a YouTube Harmony vs Roomie video of step-by-step comparisons of setting up a Harmony remote via USB and the PC program. After 12 hours and $400 you have a single-use device remote that chews through 4 AAA batteries like water and can't play games, surf the net, update itself via wifi, my God on and on.

Just keep perspective guys, offloading $1200-$3000 a year for cable/Internet and then griping about ~$20 to keep a remote app updated... -_-
Agreed
post #1158 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Agreed

Perhaps I can add my perspective as I am a new roomie user. I just purchased the application a few days ago.
I have 3 home theaters in my home. They are all controlled by Crestron AES which also controls the audio distribution system.
Remotes I currently own are 2 Crestron ML 600 and 1 URC MX-980. I have had this system in place for 5 years and it has worked reliably for the most part.
Problem is that whenever I add a new component or make a change I have to reprogram the system. I have an awesome programmer who can program remotely.
He is significantly cheaper than local custom integrators. I recently purchased 2 apple tvs($200). Cost of programming was $300. A local dealer may have charged $600. So my actual costs are always higher than the equipment I am buying.

Recently my family room remote has not been able to control my Pioneer TV. I have done all the troubleshooting I can but it cannot control the TV. So I have to use 2 remotes to control the home theater.
I was considering replacing Crestron ML 600 with URC MX-980. I do have the software so I thought I can try to learn how to program it. I have to buy the remote from a dealer.
I called a few dealers and here was the quote:
1. Remote cost for URC MX980 $600
2. It will require a base station if I choose to not use the Crestron control system. URC MX-350 $275
I asked them if they will give me the software to see what they will say and they said no.
I asked them how much they charge for programming it was $125 for the first hour and $100 for any addition hours.

So my choices were:

1. To buy a new remote for $875 and spend hours learning how to program them on my own. This will free me up from paying programming charges in future.
2. Spend around $1200 for remote and programming and once again relying on somebody else to make any changes I want to my system.

Out of my desperation I can to avsforum and found iRule, Roomie and Demopad. I had heard about iRule but never looked into it deeply.
I ruled out iRule and Demopad as I would rather spend time with my young kids rather than tweaking my remote.
I have always had dedicated remotes with buttons so I will have to get used to using IPAD for remote. I will most certainly buy an IPAD mini as a dedicated remote.

I hope that over time I will retire my Crestron remotes for my home theaters and just use Roomie. It will give me freedom to buy new equipment without have to pay additional programming charges.
$50 software and $100 iTach device seems too good to be true to me.
post #1159 of 1422
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Originally Posted by hehateme View Post

Perhaps I can add my perspective as I am a new roomie user. I just purchased the application a few days ago.
I have 3 home theaters in my home. They are all controlled by Crestron AES which also controls the audio distribution system.
Remotes I currently own are 2 Crestron ML 600 and 1 URC MX-980. I have had this system in place for 5 years and it has worked reliably for the most part.
Problem is that whenever I add a new component or make a change I have to reprogram the system. I have an awesome programmer who can program remotely.
He is significantly cheaper than local custom integrators. I recently purchased 2 apple tvs($200). Cost of programming was $300. A local dealer may have charged $600. So my actual costs are always higher than the equipment I am buying.

Recently my family room remote has not been able to control my Pioneer TV. I have done all the troubleshooting I can but it cannot control the TV. So I have to use 2 remotes to control the home theater.
I was considering replacing Crestron ML 600 with URC MX-980. I do have the software so I thought I can try to learn how to program it. I have to buy the remote from a dealer.
I called a few dealers and here was the quote:
1. Remote cost for URC MX980 $600
2. It will require a base station if I choose to not use the Crestron control system. URC MX-350 $275
I asked them if they will give me the software to see what they will say and they said no.
I asked them how much they charge for programming it was $125 for the first hour and $100 for any addition hours.

So my choices were:

1. To buy a new remote for $875 and spend hours learning how to program them on my own. This will free me up from paying programming charges in future.
2. Spend around $1200 for remote and programming and once again relying on somebody else to make any changes I want to my system.

Out of my desperation I can to avsforum and found iRule, Roomie and Demopad. I had heard about iRule but never looked into it deeply.
I ruled out iRule and Demopad as I would rather spend time with my young kids rather than tweaking my remote.
I have always had dedicated remotes with buttons so I will have to get used to using IPAD for remote. I will most certainly buy an IPAD mini as a dedicated remote.

I hope that over time I will retire my Crestron remotes for my home theaters and just use Roomie. It will give me freedom to buy new equipment without have to pay additional programming charges.
$50 software and $100 iTach device seems too good to be true to me.

I too was of the same opinion but I now have Roomie working to control two multichannel/home theater setups in my house and three audio zones. I deployed Roomie at a client installation and they've had no issues there with a hybrid IP and IR setup. I've found the iTach IR and Serial units to work very well and the feedback mechanism to be great. There's no question that the business model has changed thanks to the advent of iOS and the hardware bringing costs way down. The only possible advantage that a custom installer system may have is maturity and a network of people.

I'd be curious to hear about your experiences. My sense is that in a good number of situations where custom solutions are currently deployed, products like Roomie will creep into that space just because of the cost/performance ratio and the ability for DIY enthusiasts to do the work quickly and easily.
post #1160 of 1422
So you are pretty much saying that the 17 dollar a year fee is nothing to you compared to the fees if your existing crestron setup. Makes sense. I think you hit the nail on the head with the functionality and the ease of use plus the DIY aspect. Compared to spending over a thousand for another option, it would take 50 years to equal that in roomie subscriptions.
post #1161 of 1422
I've got lots to say about this but I've decided to open my own blog specifically about this and charge subscriptions to it.

(I've always wanted my own toll booth.)
post #1162 of 1422
I have a quick question about IR emitters I can use with Global Cache iTach.
I ordered Global Cache iTach flex with tri link cable and 3 IR emitters a few days ago.
UPS guy just dropped the iTach Flex and tri link cable. I am still waiting on the Global Cache IR emitters.
I do have any IR emitters made by Xantech/Snap AV at home.
Can I use SnapAV/Xantech IR emitter and plug them into Global Cache iTach?
I am not talking about using Xantech connecting block just their emitters.


Thanks
post #1163 of 1422
^ This should work fine. Give it a shot.
post #1164 of 1422
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

I've got lots to say about this but I've decided to open my own blog specifically about this and charge subscriptions to it.

(I've always wanted my own toll booth.)

Not sure if you purchased previously, but Roomie is honoring all previous subscriptions and grandfathering them in. The conversion to subscriptions was a bug. They posted that info in their support forums on the roomie site. There's going to be a new version coming that corrects the subscription issue for all legacy users.

I'm not rendering an opinion either way on the business model. I think you're inferring that you are a purchased user like me. I'm just noting this in case you missed it about the fact that previous users are grandfathered in.
post #1165 of 1422
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I no longer own the 8801, but when I did I never had this issue. FWIW, I always like to set my devices with static IPs, so you might want to try they.

If Roomie is talking to everything else normally, it's likely the 8801.

Thrang,

So I went down to the theater with the intent of trying a different ethernet port on the 8801 - part of a diagnosis process. Before getting to that, I was playing around with the Roomie Remote a little more. I have the 8801 set up via IP control/DHCP as previously stated, and also via an IR connection as well via the "Flasher" input on the back of the Marantz. I was trying both Marantz "devices" in Roomie, and neither worked. However, after going into the "Edit" mode of one of them, I received a message from Roomie saying that the DHCP IP address was automatically updated within Roomie.

As soon as I cleared the message, both Marantz remotes worked perfectly. So, it turns out that it is apparently a Roomie issue with not always responsively changing the IP address (I don't know if I've characterized that correctly; I"m not a network tech!). What I mean is that it seems that Roomie should make the adjustment mentioned above much more quickly and regularly than it appears to be doing, in my case.

I think a fixed IP address would probably permanently address this, but I don't know much about how that works (do all my IP devices on the network have to use fixed IP addresses if one of them does?). I will have to head over to the Roomie site and see if there is an FAQ.

Sorry for the OT post, but I wanted to give you the courtesy of a response. Thanks for chipping in with comments; I really appreciate it.

Scott
post #1166 of 1422
Quote:
Originally Posted by hehateme View Post

I have a quick question about IR emitters I can use with Global Cache iTach.
I ordered Global Cache iTach flex with tri link cable and 3 IR emitters a few days ago.
UPS guy just dropped the iTach Flex and tri link cable. I am still waiting on the Global Cache IR emitters.
I do have any IR emitters made by Xantech/Snap AV at home.
Can I use SnapAV/Xantech IR emitter and plug them into Global Cache iTach?
I am not talking about using Xantech connecting block just their emitters.


Thanks

IIRC, Xantech uses a non-standard voltage for their IR gear (12v versus the normal 3.3-5 ???). It won't damage the iTach, but you may not get the results you're looking for.
post #1167 of 1422
I tried setting up my home theater with Roomie and ran into a few issues.
My equipment:
1. Apple TV latest gen
2. Pioneer PDP5020 FD
3. Denon 3808 CI
4. Panasonic DMP BDT 310
5. DirecTV HD DVR
6. ITACH Flex IP hard wired

I ran into a few issues. I did not have a lot of time to do so this I plan to retry my setup this evening.

1. Created a room
2. Added devices. roomie discovered Denon, Panasonic and DirecTV DVR
3. I connected Tri port cable to ITACH, ethernet cable it ITACH and plugged it in
4. I connected IR1 to Apple TV
5. I connected IR2 to Pioneer TV
6. I connected Xantech IR emitter from IR1 to Apple TV
7. I connected Xantech IR emitter from IR2 to Pioneer TV
8. Added global cache adapter twice as a device. Once I selected apple TV on IR2 and Pioneer TV Codeset 1 on IR1.

DGV mentioned that Xantech uses non standard voltage. I thought this was only a case for XanTech connecting blocks. I am only using Xantech emitters. I will get my Global cache emitters tomorrow.
8. Installed iHelp utility on my PC. It discovered ITACH.
9, I was able to web browse to the ITACH. I found just 1 page with 3 sections. Options were "Single IR emitter" , "Flex Link Tri-port cable" and Flex Link Serial Cable. Both options 1 and 2 had a sub option called "Blaster IR connected on IR 3. I left it at false as I am not using IR blaster.

I can control IP controlled devices individually( Denon, Panny and DirectTV )
For some reason I cannot control my IR controlled devices.
For activities I can press "Watch DVD" on my remote and manually turn the TV on but the Panny BluRay turns on , Denon AVR turns on, switches the input to DVD so it is good.
I cannot figure out how to turn off an activity. I added stop commands in the activity where I shutdown both BluRay and Denon AVR.
How do I even execute the stop activity. Is it as simple as pressing the Power button in the activity remote created by Roomie? When I press the power button on the activity remote my BluRay turns off but the receiver does not turn off.
I did test the receive remote individually and both Power On and Power off commands work.


Let me know if you have any suggestions for me.

Thanks
post #1168 of 1422
I was able to work through all my issues so I thought I can share the solution so it can help somebody else.

Issue 1
IR Control not working.
iTACH Flex has a web interface but it is not intuitive. It has a section for Tri Link Port. It only had 1 option for "IR Blaster on Port 3" True or False. I was not even using Port 3 or IR Blaster so left it off.
To make my iTACH work I had to turn this option to True and save changes. This is an example of terrible user interface. I hope the fix it in future.
Another issue I was running into was my Pioneer TV IR control required me to transmit IR command twice.

Issue 2
Some devices not shutting down. I was trying to shutdown only the devices that I was using in each activity. Instead of that I create one system shutdown activity.

Everything seems to working well and there is not much delay.

Big test comes tomorrow when I will have my wife try it out.

Cheers
post #1169 of 1422
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickba View Post

For me is not the price is the attitude. If you don't have Ethics for US$17.00, you don't have for US$1000000000.00. If I sell you an OS for US$10000.00 and promise free updates and upgrades and after that I tell you that you need to pay US$3000.00/year subscription? You may answer: US$3000.00 a year?? That is too much(almost 30% of the value I already paid!!!) !!

I tell you: It is the same!!! US$17.00 a year represents almost 30% of what you already paid for Roomie and all packs!! Now imagine 1000 users. They paid about US$60000.00 and it will be US$17000.00 of subscription/year. So it is about Ethics.

I run a company too and would never do that to my customers.

Just to make it clear:

1- If they were releasing a new product and making it clear it would have subscriptions, no problem!
2- If they were releasing a new product and telling you that it would have updates until next version, no problem!
3- If they were releasing a new product and telling you that it would have updates and enhacements with no additional costs and after you buy they change their mind: THIS IS THE PROBLEM!

Have you heard about Google Apps? It was free. They got a lot of attention and a lot of people signed up. One day they decided it would not be free anymore. What they did? All free account are still free and all new accounts will have to pay a subscription: This is fair. THIS IS RIGHT!


As a Roomie owner who finds himself in the same upgrade/subscription predicament, I agree and sympathize with all those who feel cheated or screwed - it's a raw deal. Unfortunately, looking around me, I also realize this is the way things seem to be heading. A long time ago I purchased one of the most popular Windows firewall/antivirus programs around, and was quite happy with it. When they decided to start charging a subscription/renewal feel to keep up with new virus signatures, I was not real happy, but at least understood their efforts costed money to keep going. When they went further and went to the model where they wanted an annual renewal or the software stopped working completely, I went somewhere else for my solution. I've also had a couple high end home theater preamps that were sold touting upgradeability and being obsolete proof for years of enjoyment In both cases, after a year or less, both companies decided to just announce a new model and forget about their promise to support the folks that originally bought items under their original promise. In fact, one company even went to far as to offer discounted model exchanges/upgrades for only recent customers, ignoring those who had originally purchased and stuck by them. My point is that the commercial business world is ripe with this behavior, and although railing against it might make one feel better, I seriously doubt it will actually bring about a change back to a better time. Money talks and customer sat often subsequently takes a back seat. No one is more sorry than about this, but it does seem to be true. BTW, hurray to anyone who bucks this direction and actually seems to care about the customer.
post #1170 of 1422
I'm using Roomie and I want to add some music zones with either an Apple TV or Airport Express. I have speakers already.

What fully IP-controllable, hopefully small, integrated amps/receivers are there for this? The unit will need to support off and on via the Roomie IP control. Suggestions?
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