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post #991 of 1422
I'm looking into this whole new world and got one question. What's the main difference between the itach ip2ir and the sqblaster? I want to use irule or roomie to control my home, soon including zwave products. Really appreciate your help!
post #992 of 1422
I have been a Harmony remote user for five or six years and my current 880 is failing. The new Harmony products do not seem to be what they once were and the price is getting a little steep in my opinion. That being said, my family likes the activities concept and finds the Harmony easy to use. I have decided to try Roomie with the intent of duplicating the Harmony functionality. We all have iPhones and there is an iPad available so that is not a problem. I have ordered a GC Flex wireless with a blaster and purchased the Roomie app and HT and IR add-ons. The Flex should arrive next week.

I currently have:
Denon AVR791
Samsung LN46A750
PS3 CECHK01
Motorola DCH3416 STB (Comcast)

There is no IP function with any of these, and I don't consider IR a handicap anyway. The Roomie databases imply that all of these are compatible with their system except the bluetooth controlled PS3. Aside from gaming, we use the PS3 for blu-ray movies and Netflix. For the last four years I have been using the IR4PS3 (rev. 3) device to control the PS3 via the Harmony remote. IR4PS3 seems to have faded into obscurity, but as I recall I purchased a parts kit from a fellow in Canada for about $50, a power supply locally, and cannibalized a Sony PS3 bluetooth remote to build the IR4PS3. There is still a video of the process on YouTube. The Harmony device database carries a code set for the IR4PS3 and it functions perfectly, turning the system on and off, controlling shuttle buttons in movies and Netflix, etc. I do not see the code set in the Roomie databases. I sent them an email but have not gotten a response yet.

Does anyone use the IR4PS3 device with Roomie? I seem to recall that it might work off an old PS2 code set, but I am not certain any more. I have never had to teach a code set to a remote and the task seems a little daunting.

After perusing the Roomie Remote threads I still am not clear on if or how the Roomie deals with power states while switching activities. I don't see any complaining, so it must be possible to make it seamless just like the Harmony activities. Any advice on this in reference to the current version of Roomie?
Edited by rbeckey - 7/2/13 at 7:43am
post #993 of 1422
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Originally Posted by rbeckey View Post

I have been a Harmony remote user for five or six years and my current 880 is failing. The new Harmony products do not seem to be what they once were and the price is getting a little steep in my opinion. That being said, my family likes the activities concept and finds the Harmony easy to use. I have decided to try Roomie with the intent of duplicating the Harmony functionality. We all have iPhones and there is an iPad available so that is not a problem. I have ordered a GC Flex wireless with a blaster and purchased the Roomie app and HT and IR add-ons. The Flex should arrive next week.

I currently have:
Denon AVR791
Samsung LN46A750
PS3 CECHK01
Motorola DCH3416 STB (Comcast)

There is no IP function with any of these, and I don't consider IR a handicap anyway. The Roomie databases imply that all of these are compatible with their system except the blu-ray controlled PS3. Aside from gaming, we use the PS3 for blu-ray movies and Netflix. For the last four years I have been using the IR4PS3 (rev. 3) device to control the PS3 via the Harmony remote. IR4PS3 seems to have faded into obscurity, but as I recall I purchased a parts kit from a fellow in Canada for about $50, a power supply locally, and cannibalized a Sony PS3 Blu-ray remote to build the IR4PS3. There is still a video of the process on YouTube. The Harmony device database carries a code set for the IR4PS3 and it functions perfectly, turning the system on and off, controlling shuttle buttons in movies and Netflix, etc. I do not see the code set in the Roomie databases. I sent them an email but have not gotten a response yet.

Does anyone use the IR4PS3 device with Roomie? I seem to recall that it might work off an old PS2 code set, but I am not certain any more. I have never had to teach a code set to a remote and the task seems a little daunting.

After perusing the Roomie Remote threads I still am not clear on if or how the Roomie deals with power states while switching activities. I don't see any complaining, so it must be possible to make it seamless just like the Harmony activities. Any advice on this in reference to the current version of Roomie?

I had a Harmony 1100 before roomie. I didn't have a problem switching to roomie. I just set it all up, then played around with on and off and switching activities. If there was a strange thing going on, I would just add an additional power on or off command until it worked how I wanted it. It takes 10 secs to add a command and test, so that is a huge plus over harmony where it takes 15 mins as you have to unplug rf adapter, do all changes on computer, upload, then replug in and test.

For roomie I suggest just testing.....if the discrete on and off commands work then its easy. Some devices, even though the commands make it sound discrete, they're actually toggles. So after testing and adding a few additional commands where needed my devices all work perfectly.and the best part, is if you get an IP controllable device in the future or serial, you'll get feedback which is my favorite part. Feedback on the AVR/processor, blu ray player and directv box are what really sets it apart in my opinion. Good luck!

P.S. I love using an iPad.....check email or Internet during boring parts or commercials!
post #994 of 1422
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Anyone else having issues with the updated Roomie Remote? Ever since the 2nd to latest update, it is not turning my projector on via the serial cable. It's a Panasonic AE8000.

I also noticed that my PS3 won't turn on either with the Logitech adapter.

So this weekend I had a little time to mess around with this issue and I noticed that now my Roomie Remote can't actually find my projector and the PS3 Logitech adapter on the network.

When I go into the device page and try to do "auto discovery" for some reason those 2 devices are not showing up anymore.

That was a far as I had time to diagnose. Anyone have any idea why these 2 devices randomly decided to not show up in Roomie? And it won't find them either automatically anymore.
post #995 of 1422
If anyone has successfully created feedback displays for custom devices, please pm me. I am trying to create volume, surround status, and a few other feedback displays for a mcintosh mx151 processor (serial/iTach) and have the request and feedback strings, but am not sure how to configure....

Thanks
Edited by thrang - 7/2/13 at 5:31am
post #996 of 1422
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Originally Posted by HDTV Maniac View Post

Jano18, if you are removing all the components, what will you be using? The reason why I still want to keep my NextGen remote control extender is for the TV's upstairs where I have a URC R50 remote for those locations. I don't have multiple iPads or iPods around the house to control each TV location with Roomie so I would like to have a physical remote that works for the upstairs. In the basement home theater, I will have an iPad running Roomie so that is why I need for both systems to work together right now.

I would be interested in your cables but I am in Canada. Let me know in PM how much you want for them and we can discuss if I buy them off you. I have a drop ship address in the US and will be going there in the summer so we can easily set something up.

Thanks

PM Sent
post #997 of 1422
Yo
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

If anyone has successfully created feedback displays for custom devices, please pm me. I am trying to create volume, surround status, and a few other feedback displays for a mcintosh mx151 processor (serial/iTach) and have the request and feedback strings, but am not sure how to configure....

Thanks

Feedback will not work (I assume a serial connection) unless Roomie makes those additions to the core app. You need to contact Roomie support.

I created the new serial support files for the Anthem D2 and AVM50v pre-pros in the new 1.9 build just released. But feedback wouldn't work unless they made modifications to the app to interpret the feedback code from the Anthem via serial.
post #998 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

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Feedback will not work (I assume a serial connection) unless Roomie makes those additions to the core app. You need to contact Roomie support.

I created the new serial support files for the Anthem D2 and AVM50v pre-pros in the new 1.9 build just released. But feedback wouldn't work unless they made modifications to the app to interpret the feedback code from the Anthem via serial.

They don't seem to be interested....
post #999 of 1422
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

They don't seem to be interested....

I suggest putting together the complete file and getting it working (if you pitched it for them to do it then chances are slim). When we're talking about higher end pre pros there isn't as much of a mass market so you will need to do the heavy lifting. I suggest that you put together a fully working file and send it over and then see what's what. If you have other users who would be interested too that helps.

Worst case you have IR But if the serial command set is more mature then you obviously want to use that.
post #1000 of 1422
Have you guys received any responses from roomie support lately. I got prompt replies to some questions a few weeks ago, but have not received a response to a question in over a week. I also have not had my forum posts approved, necessary since I am a new poster.
Pretty happy with roomie so far.
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post #1001 of 1422
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Originally Posted by erichoya View Post

Have you guys received any responses from roomie support lately. I got prompt replies to some questions a few weeks ago, but have not received a response to a question in over a week. I also have not had my forum posts approved, necessary since I am a new poster.
Pretty happy with roomie so far.
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I actually emailed them this morning with a question and got a response an hour or two later. I'd send it out again, could just be a mistake.
post #1002 of 1422
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Originally Posted by erichoya View Post

Have you guys received any responses from roomie support lately. I got prompt replies to some questions a few weeks ago, but have not received a response to a question in over a week. I also have not had my forum posts approved, necessary since I am a new poster.
Pretty happy with roomie so far.
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Check your spam filter and email them. They tend to be pretty good but also hot and cold depending on the day.
post #1003 of 1422
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Originally Posted by erichoya View Post

Have you guys received any responses from roomie support lately. I got prompt replies to some questions a few weeks ago, but have not received a response to a question in over a week. I also have not had my forum posts approved, necessary since I am a new poster.
Pretty happy with roomie so far.
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....and there haven't been any responses from the Roomie team on their own forum for several days (in fact, I can only see a handful in the last few weeks from them). Presumably getting the new release out has been pretty intense, so maybe they're just regrouping and catching their breath!

On a related note, I'd love to see a roadmap for where they ultimately want to take the app - there are so many exciting possibilities.
post #1004 of 1422
I have Roomie and GC Flex set up in the living room. I watched the video on the Roomie site and set up my devices and activities as suggested.
Here is the equipment:
Denon AVR791
Samsung LN46A750
PS3 CECHK01
Motorola DCH3416 STB (Comcast)
IR4PS3 rev3

I set up a basic Watch TV activity that works perfectly. I have attempted to set up a Play PS3 and Watch a Movie activity on PS3 using the IR4PS3 adapter. There is no response from any device for these activities. The AVR does not switch inputs. The PS3 does not power on. The STB does not power off. I took my Harmony remote and taught Roomie the known working IR codes it uses for the IR4PS3 without result. Does anyone have any idea why the devices do not respond to the activities besides watch TV? Even if the IR4PS3 commands are not working, the other devices should respond to their commands.

I have to say, I programmed my entire system into the Harmony in about 20 minutes and it was almost perfect. After about four hours of work with absolutely no result, Roomie has not impressed me so far.
post #1005 of 1422
Does your equipment respond to the manual remotes under devices? You have to enable it under the device to show.
post #1006 of 1422
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Originally Posted by rbeckey View Post

I have Roomie and GC Flex set up in the living room. I watched the video on the Roomie site and set up my devices and activities as suggested.
Here is the equipment:
Denon AVR791
Samsung LN46A750
PS3 CECHK01
Motorola DCH3416 STB (Comcast)
IR4PS3 rev3

I set up a basic Watch TV activity that works perfectly. I have attempted to set up a Play PS3 and Watch a Movie activity on PS3 using the IR4PS3 adapter. There is no response from any device for these activities. The AVR does not switch inputs. The PS3 does not power on. The STB does not power off. I took my Harmony remote and taught Roomie the known working IR codes it uses for the IR4PS3 without result. Does anyone have any idea why the devices do not respond to the activities besides watch TV? Even if the IR4PS3 commands are not working, the other devices should respond to their commands.

I have to say, I programmed my entire system into the Harmony in about 20 minutes and it was almost perfect. After about four hours of work with absolutely no result, Roomie has not impressed me so far.

Turn off HDMI control on all of your equipment. It may be called something else, read the manual if you are not sure. This could be your issue.
post #1007 of 1422
After trying many things without result I restarted the iPhone and power cycled the GC Flex. This caused almost everything to start working. The PS3 would not power on at the start of the activity, but would after the virtual remote was on the screen. Roomie tech support got back to me with a solution within an hour, suggesting that I increase the delay between commands during the start of the activity. Increasing the delay to 750ms solved the last problem. Now everything works as well as or better than the Harmony remote.
post #1008 of 1422
Can someone explain this feature?:

"Conditional Delays: Delays may be added when a device is powered on before sending additional commands with no delay if the device is already powered on."
post #1009 of 1422
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Originally Posted by scl23enn4m3 View Post

Can someone explain this feature?:

"Conditional Delays: Delays may be added when a device is powered on before sending additional commands with no delay if the device is already powered on."

Some devices take a while to power up sufficiently before being able to take additional commands. TV's are devices that fall into this category. My Samsung TV takes as long as 13 seconds when powering up before being able to change HDMI ports as an example. So, when powering it up, a delay is needed so that subsequent commands aren't lost. However, if the TV is already powered up – as when changing activities, no command delay is needed because the TV is already powered up.
post #1010 of 1422
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Originally Posted by lflorack View Post

Some devices take a while to power up sufficiently before being able to take additional commands. TV's are devices that fall into this category. My Samsung TV takes as long as 13 seconds when powering up before being able to change HDMI ports as an example. So, when powering it up, a delay is needed so that subsequent commands aren't lost. However, if the TV is already powered up – as when changing activities, no command delay is needed because the TV is already powered up.

Thank you! That's what I thought it meant, but that sentence was structured awkwardly. Do you know how to activate this feature? When I switch activities currently it still goes through sending a power on command to my TV with a 10 second delay.
post #1011 of 1422
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Originally Posted by scl23enn4m3 View Post

Thank you! That's what I thought it meant, but that sentence was structured awkwardly. Do you know how to activate this feature? When I switch activities currently it still goes through sending a power on command to my TV with a 10 second delay.

Sorry, I havent actually used this command yet with Roomie because about the time I started using Roomie, I also stopped using multiple HDMI connections on my TV - removung my power-up delay need.
post #1012 of 1422
After not hearing back from support for a week I sent in another email with some files from yamaha for my bd player. The roomie guys responded very quickly and sent me a code file for my player. Finally, my player is supported, worked like a charm. They even sent me file to demo to see if some advanced features worked, now playing, time scrubbing, but they did not work. These features are not included in the native Yamaha app.
Now I just need to decide what to do with the projector, serial vs ir. I had to turn off wake on LAN for my receiver since the kids were air playing to it and there is no easy way to prevent this. So I may want ir control to be able to turn on the receiver. So with one itach with ir blaster I may be ok. I do get some HDMI control (turn on bd player and the projector turns on), but this does not seem to be able to turn the projector off.
Very happy with roomie so far..
post #1013 of 1422

Just discovered roomie remote. Still researching (and learning). I have a harmony smart control on order but I'm also interested in what the roomie can do.

 

If my devices are not listed on the roomie compatibility page, does that mean I'd need to purchase adapters to make them work with the $9.99 app?

 

For example, I have a Vizio TV and a Denon AVR-591 audio/video receiver, along with a PS3. None of these are listed on the IP compatibility page.

post #1014 of 1422
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

Just discovered roomie remote. Still researching (and learning). I have a harmony smart control on order but I'm also interested in what the roomie can do.

If my devices are not listed on the roomie compatibility page, does that mean I'd need to purchase adapters to make them work with the $9.99 app?

For example, I have a Vizio TV and a Denon AVR-591 audio/video receiver, along with a PS3. None of these are listed on the IP compatibility page.

Yes. Roomie just works with 2 devices to start. If you had IP controllable devices, that would have been the cheapest way to experiment.

Realistically, you will be in for $175-275 for a room depending upon how many devices you need to control, not including the cost of the iPad or Touch if you intend to dedicate the controller to the room.

You would need the Roomie Infrared Control Pack and Home Theater Control pack (more info in the app store on on their web site) and one or more iTach IR or Serial controller, each about $110 (the IR has three ports, but you can put dual emitters or one blaster to increase the number of devices you need to control)
post #1015 of 1422

Thanks for the info. Sounds expensive compared to what I can do with the $129 Harmony "Smart" Control. I'm sure it does lots of things that the Harmony cannot however. The interface looks super slick and having the live program guide incorporated into the control panel seems very smart.

post #1016 of 1422
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

Thanks for the info. Sounds expensive compared to what I can do with the $129 Harmony "Smart" Control. I'm sure it does lots of things that the Harmony cannot however. The interface looks super slick and having the live program guide incorporated into the control panel seems very smart.

Not familiar withe the Harmony Smart Controller, but as a past Harmony 1100 user, Roomie is far better, even with the schizophrenic support they sometimes provide. You should consider it.
post #1017 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

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I suggest putting together the complete file and getting it working (if you pitched it for them to do it then chances are slim). When we're talking about higher end pre pros there isn't as much of a mass market so you will need to do the heavy lifting. I suggest that you put together a fully working file and send it over and then see what's what. If you have other users who would be interested too that helps.

Worst case you have IR But if the serial command set is more mature then you obviously want to use that.

I have a fairly fully-fleshed out feature set of serial command codes, but I don't know how to insert feedback strings and responses in xCode... Do I need to do that, or will Roomie if they decide to take it to the next step?
post #1018 of 1422
thrang,

Yes, if the feedback is not already previously supported, then Roomie will need to put that into the app itself--otherwise, it won't work. For example, with the Anthem MRX receivers, there was already feedback via IP, but it did not work, for whatever reason, for the D2/AVM50v. So, the developers at Roomie had to create a new beta to interpret the feedback strings and display them. We did go through several back and forths to get it right. 90% of the battle is you having a fully working file so that then they would only need to worry about feedback.

My recommendation to you is to send them a completed file and ask if they could help get the feedback working for volume and input.
post #1019 of 1422
I came across this article this morning and wanted to share it. Looks like there's a pretty extensive review of Roomie online: http://www.pooraudiophile.com/2013/07/roomie-remote-review-best-universal.html

It goes through pretty much everything from what I see, including configuration options. If you're a would-be Roomie user, it might be a good resource and if you're a long-time user, it may have some insights
post #1020 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

thrang,

Yes, if the feedback is not already previously supported, then Roomie will need to put that into the app itself--otherwise, it won't work. For example, with the Anthem MRX receivers, there was already feedback via IP, but it did not work, for whatever reason, for the D2/AVM50v. So, the developers at Roomie had to create a new beta to interpret the feedback strings and display them. We did go through several back and forths to get it right. 90% of the battle is you having a fully working file so that then they would only need to worry about feedback.

My recommendation to you is to send them a completed file and ask if they could help get the feedback working for volume and input.

Completed file except for the feedback commands, or put those queries in also?
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