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post #1021 of 2023
5/25/12 at 3:16am
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try lav video is set to cuvid.
evr
and see if without reclock helps
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post #1022 of 2023
5/25/12 at 6:34am
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Can one use MadVR to switch to 23.976 output while having the Intel Graphics set to 60i for Live TV playback as suggested in this thread? I have MadVR working with my iGPU right now but haven't tweeked it any. It looks fine, I'm not trying to do anything but switch frame rates with it and not trying to maximize anything because I'm happy with it the way it is already.

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Do you have an explanation on how to do it?

Working now! Awesome!!
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post #1023 of 2023
5/25/12 at 11:26am
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Working now! Awesome!!

what did you do?
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post #1024 of 2023
5/25/12 at 12:00pm
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Working now! Awesome!!

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what did you do?

Take a look at this thread / post. I set the display to 1080p23, 1080p24, 720p29, etcetera and it switches the refresh rate for me as reported by my Samsung HDTV. When I go into Live TV it is at 60i as set by the graphics control panel for the intel graphics settings in Windows for smooth playback.
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post #1025 of 2023
6/3/12 at 2:22am
Just set this up following your guide on an i5-3570K and would like to know the following:

1) There is also a LAV Splitter Source, should this be added to the External Filters in MPC-HC?

2) I cannot select slave reference clock to audio when bringing up Reclock's properties within MPC-HC. It is grayed out as well as the Media adaptation setting. This is with version 1.8.7.9 and MPC version 1.6.2.4902. I have not installed or done anything else than what is in your guide and this is on a fresh install of Windows 7. How can I adjust the settings as per your guide?

3) At all points in time during the set up, I would play a video file and hit ctrl-j to see the info. I would always get 1 dropped frame every 4 minutes. This was with a 1080p/DTS-MA mkv @ 23.976 with MPC-HC setting 23.500 to 23.981fps - [23] @1920x1080p or leaving it at [59] and inputing 1080p23 into Madvr's automatic display mode.

The only time it changed was before I adjusted the options in Reclock (before starting the Reclock Config from the guide). At that point it said I would get a dropped frame every 5 hours. After reading some of the posts in here, I would think with my cpu I would have very few dropped frames, if any. What information do you need to help me trouble shoot, or where should I look first to start altering settings (maybe the problem with Reclock above is the cause)? Or is this normal?
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post #1026 of 2023
6/3/12 at 10:09am
Is there anyway to retain master system volume control when MPC is open? I find that the remote's volume control defaults to MPC's internal settings. This is a problem if system volume is too low even with MPC at 100%.

(I'm not using a receiver, but analog out from HTPC to my amp).
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post #1027 of 2023
6/3/12 at 11:09am
Hi.
If someone interested, SAF will configure MPC-HC similar like this guide do (madVR is not included, it need to be installed separatelly).
All is done automatically.
More info/download:
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/SAF_Codec_Pack.htm
http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/threads/saf-v6-based-on-lavf.95635/
Czech:
http://hobring.esero.net/saf/binary/
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post #1028 of 2023
6/3/12 at 6:15pm
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2) I cannot select “slave reference clock to audio” when bringing up Reclock's properties within MPC-HC.

I played an mkv with LPCM audio and for some reason the options became available to select "slave reference clock to audio" so I selected the appropriate items. I then opened one of the previous mkv's with dts-ma and the options were grayed out again, but at least it had retained the selections from the other file.

This did not alter my dropped frames, so really my only question is if what I am experiencing is a normal part of not being able to get "true 24p" with Intel Ivy Bridge.

To add to my previous post: When playing a 23.976 source it says my display is 23.97222hz and that 1 frame will drop just over every four minutes. Sure enough, about every four minutes the dropped frame shows up in the dropped frame counter.

However, when playing a 29.97 source, my display is indicated as 59.93058hz and it says that 1 frame will drop every 2.9 minutes. However, the dropped frame count never goes up so it's not dropping frames?

I went back and played the 23.976 source at 59hz and it indicated a frame would be dropped just under 4 minutes, but the dropped frame counter did not indicate it- again no dropped frames?

So, it looks like the dropped frames are only happening when playing 23.976 sources back in 24p (1080p23). The thing is, I don't notice the dropped frame when playing 24p (or haven't yet), so maybe I do have it set up correctly? I just wonder when I see posts where people indicate it tells them they won't get a dropped frame for hours, but I am not sure if this is for every type of source. Just want to make sure what I am experiencing is correct and that my setup is correct.
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post #1029 of 2023
6/3/12 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by Shanndogg View Post

I played an mkv with LPCM audio and for some reason the options became available to select "slave reference clock to audio" so I selected the appropriate items. I then opened one of the previous mkv's with dts-ma and the options were grayed out again, but at least it had retained the selections from the other file.

This did not alter my dropped frames, so really my only question is if what I am experiencing is a normal part of not being able to get "true 24p" with Intel Ivy Bridge.

To add to my previous post: When playing a 23.976 source it says my display is XXXhz and that 1 frame will drop just over every four minutes. Sure enough, about every four minutes the dropped frame shows up in the dropped frame counter.

However, when playing a 29.97 source, my display is indicated as 59.93058hz and it says that 1 frame will drop every 2.9 minutes. However, the dropped frame count never goes up so it's not dropping frames?

I went back and played the 23.976 source at 59hz and it indicated a frame would be dropped just under 4 minutes, but the dropped frame counter did not indicate it- again no dropped frames?

So, it looks like the dropped frames are only happening when playing 23.976 sources back in 24p (1080p23). The thing is, I don't notice the dropped frame when playing 24p (or haven't yet), so maybe I do have it set up correctly? I just wonder when I see posts where people indicate it tells them they won't get a dropped frame for hours, but I am not sure if this is for every type of source. Just want to make sure what I am experiencing is correct and that my setup is correct.

If you don't notice it why are you looking for it?

I just don't get this. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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post #1030 of 2023
6/3/12 at 6:22pm
Yeah, I know... it's one of those things if I had never read the post, or hit "ctrl-j" I would have been much better off probably...

But, I am also just trying to understand and learn as much as possible.
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post #1031 of 2023
6/3/12 at 11:10pm
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Originally Posted by Shanndogg View Post

I played an mkv with LPCM audio and for some reason the options became available to select "slave reference clock to audio" so I selected the appropriate items. I then opened one of the previous mkv's with dts-ma and the options were grayed out again, but at least it had retained the selections from the other file.

That means you use bitstream options in LAV audio. You have to know what bitsream is, "advanced guide" for advanced users.
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post #1032 of 2023
6/4/12 at 2:22pm
I must say that getting MPC-HC with LAV to work properly took quite a bit of tweaking (or actually de-tweaking). What is discovered on my system is that, in general, it was better to use the default settings rather than choose accelerations, etc. A bit opposite to what I had expected. This was less a science and more of a brute force trial and error troubleshooting effort.

Even though I have an Intel i3; turning off Intel accelerations worked better. Choosing system defaults for general video rendering and audio processing was better than options that in theory were better matched to the system.

Now that it is running properly, it looks and sounds very good.

The only thing I have not been able to pull off is bit-streaming AC3 and DTS over HDMI to the receiver. But then again it decodes to PCM nicely, and that does sound very good. I installed and removed LAV and FFDshow so many times I can't even remember if the DLL from Arcsoft for DTS decoding is installed or not at this time. But everything sounds fine at the moment and the video tearing has gone away. So I am reluctant to mess with things!
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post #1033 of 2023
6/6/12 at 3:46pm
originalsnuffy: If you are using the Intel IGP, you may be able to get bitstreaming to work better if you install the Intel Display Audio driver. I was able to do this on my Windows 7 x64 machine by extracing Win7_64_15268.exe into a directory, then going into Device Manager and Upgrade the High Definition Audio driver by pointing to that directory.
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post #1034 of 2023
6/8/12 at 6:49am
I wondered if anyone could shed some light on this.

I am trying to successfully integrate the use of MPC-HC as a back-end and playing files over a media server.

The media server I am using at the moment is plex, and streams are passed to MPC-HC in a http format.

If you take a look at this thread there is a bit more detail.

For whatever reason, .avi files don't stream, instead you have to wait for the file to be copied and then played.

This only happens when file is defined as a http source and is irregardless of whether it is local or not. e.g local files defined as 127.0.0.1: 3345/file.avi still suffer from the same problem, even though the file is local.

The problem does not exist with .mkv files.

The problem also exists when using Zoom player to play the http stream.

The problem exists with all default filters and renders (e.g without mad vr, lav, reclock ) etc.

I wondered if anyone else is trying to accomplish the same as me? I like the integration and ease of use of media centers, but don't want to lose the quality of MPC-HC.

I have an issue open at the MPC-HC support page also.

Seems like it may be splitter related. Since testing with zoom and with haali splitter too, that means that Haali, Lav, MPC and Zoom source filters act the same with .avi's.

Is this related to the splitter or is it the way the file source is handling the http links?
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post #1035 of 2023
6/10/12 at 2:05am
Anyone having problems with new ATI cards, HD7000 series?

I recently bought HD7850 and with the same settings as the HD4890OC, the MPC HC isn't working properly.

I've tried to change output to different EVR settings as also madVR but I get only 3-13% GPU usage and still some 5-15% CPU usage by MPC HC.

What is the difference with DXVA Copy-pack and Native? It seems that my new card supports native, but the old card didn't.

I've updated:
MPC HC
Lav filters
madvr
ATI drivers, 12.4 and now using 12.6 beta
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post #1036 of 2023
6/14/12 at 8:41am
I searched on here and was either using the wrong search terms or it hasn't been discussed.

At any rate, I am trying to map turning subs on and off as well as cycling through them using a logitech Harmony 900 remote. How should I set this up in the "Keys" section of MPC-HC as well as map those keys to my Harmony which emulates a MCE SE remote for my HTPC use.

Thanks.
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post #1037 of 2023
6/14/12 at 12:30pm
Will MPC-HC see a .iso image file mounted by virtual clone drive as a DVD and play it? I start .iso files through media browser which gives me the choice of PowerDVD and Windows Media Center either of which will play but MPC-HC is not listed as a choice.
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post #1038 of 2023
6/14/12 at 2:14pm
IDK, I use mkv's.
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post #1039 of 2023
6/14/12 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I searched on here and was either using the wrong search terms or it hasn't been discussed.
At any rate, I am trying to map turning subs on and off as well as cycling through them using a logitech Harmony 900 remote. How should I set this up in the "Keys" section of MPC-HC as well as map those keys to my Harmony which emulates a MCE SE remote for my HTPC use.
Thanks.

I just came here to ask almost exactly the same question -- only difference is, I'm using a Harmony One instead of 900.

I'd also like to figure out how to rotate through audio tracks.
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post #1040 of 2023
6/14/12 at 5:53pm
I searched around too and didn't find it although it should be very simple. It is just a mater of matching up the two languages.
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post #1041 of 2023
6/15/12 at 8:16am
Hi all,

I'm new to HTPC so please be gentle.

My equipment is: HTPC > HDMI> Yamaha 1010 AV > HDMI > Sony TV

HTPC is: Q6600 (stock but do have performance cooler if I need to overclock), Sapphire HD 6450 1024MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card, 4GB RAM, SSD & SATA Strorage, quality 750w PSU.

Now, I've gone through the guide and am happy I understand it, but whenever I play a HD file through MPC-HC I get this 'micro-stutter' that looks like its dropping a frame every 2 seconds or so......it's very noticeable for me and annoys the hell out of me. Also, when there is a scene that pans verticaly (camera looking flat at the sky and then panning to the floor) it isn't smooth at all.....very stuttery indeed.

Any ideas what I need to change? What decoding method should I be using? None, Intel or DXVA (there are two different DXVA to choose from; native or copy). Also, in the AMD control panel should I be selecting 60Hz as my output or 50Hz or something else?

Thanks..
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post #1042 of 2023
6/15/12 at 8:17am
Welcome to avs!

What video renderer are you using?

You also may want to take a gander here, specifically this post.
Edited by Sammy2 - 6/15/12 at 8:24am
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post #1043 of 2023
6/18/12 at 9:21pm
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Will MPC-HC see a .iso image file mounted by virtual clone drive as a DVD and play it? I start .iso files through media browser which gives me the choice of PowerDVD and Windows Media Center either of which will play but MPC-HC is not listed as a choice.

It's a late reply, but yes, it should have no problem reading .iso files (or at least, I've had no problems). Its probably easiest if you open MPC and browse to the "DVD" that way rather than go through the media browser.
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post #1044 of 2023
6/18/12 at 10:08pm
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What decoding method should I be using? None, Intel or DXVA (there are two different DXVA to choose from; native or copy).

DXVA native. Your renderer is EVR CP for progressive video and EVR for interlaced.

Also, in the AMD control panel should I be selecting 60Hz as my output or 50Hz or something else?

"something else" since different video has different frame rate (23,976 | 24 | 50 | 59,940).
Matching refresh rate 1:1 to video fps is the main way to avoid stuttering. You can do it manually or use autochange features of a player.
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post #1045 of 2023
6/19/12 at 1:47am
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Welcome to avs!
What video renderer are you using?
You also may want to take a gander here, specifically this post.

Thanks for the warm welcome. Where do I find what renderer I am using? Or should I say what renderer should I be using?

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Thanks for this - I am back at home tonight so will have a good old tinker with the HTPC. I updated my AMD GPU drivers to the beta before I went away and did instantly notice much smoother playback. Cheers!!
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post #1046 of 2023
6/19/12 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by Postmoderndesign View Post

Will MPC-HC see a .iso image file mounted by virtual clone drive as a DVD and play it? I start .iso files through media browser which gives me the choice of PowerDVD and Windows Media Center either of which will play but MPC-HC is not listed as a choice.

It's a late reply, but yes, it should have no problem reading .iso files (or at least, I've had no problems). Its probably easiest if you open MPC and browse to the "DVD" that way rather than go through the media browser.

Thanks, I will give this a try. So far I have had no luck going through media browser but going through media browser requires me to work with 1. Media Center Studio which I am just figuring out and 2. the registry that I approach like Froddo Baggins regards the ring of power.
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post #1047 of 2023
6/19/12 at 12:58pm
Starting an .iso from media browser to play with MPC-HC turned out to be easy to accomplish. I am using Media Player Classic-Home Cinema 1.6.2.4902. I simply went to the the media browser configurater-advanced-external players. I went to MPC-HC which I already had added as a external player to play .mkv files. I clicked on MPC-HC and edited it to add iso as a supported media type. A message came up saying that MPC-HC plays the iso directly and does not mount it first.

ISO files will now play with mpc-hc.When the movie starts and brings up the menu, I am having an issue with the remote focusing on the menu and starting the movie or selecting subtitles. However, I can get things running with the keyboard mouse and right clicking mpc-hc and going to options. So, I don't have everything just the way I want them yet. But I am progressing.
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post #1048 of 2023
6/19/12 at 1:43pm
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Starting an .iso from media browser to play with MPC-HC turned out to be easy to accomplish. I am using Media Player Classic-Home Cinema 1.6.2.4902. I simply went to the the media browser configurater-advanced-external players. I went to MPC-HC which I already had added as a external player to play .mkv files. I clicked on MPC-HC and edited it to add iso as a supported media type. A message came up saying that MPC-HC plays the iso directly and does not mount it first.
ISO files will now play with mpc-hc.When the movie starts and brings up the menu, I am having an issue with the remote focusing on the menu and starting the movie or selecting subtitles. However, I can get things running with the keyboard mouse and right clicking mpc-hc and going to options. So, I don't have everything just the way I want them yet. But I am progressing.

Awesome! Wish I could help you with your other issues, but sounds like you're on your way.
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post #1049 of 2023
6/23/12 at 8:26am
Media Browser can be set up to use MPC-HC to play .iso files. So far DVDs as .iso always play and blu-rays as .iso sometimes play. However,my remote will not use the on screen movie menus and MPC-HC navigation does not work. MPC-HC next and previous do not work nor does navigation bring up time periods. So, I can just play an .iso file straight through from beginning to end. The exit command does work on the remote. When I eliminate media browser from the mix and just start up MPC-HC I get all the navigation problems. So, this does appear to be a MPC-HC issue and not a media browser issue. I do have MPC-HC set up so it will play DVDs, .mkv and blu-ray. Media Browser gave me a message to configure the player when I set the external player as MPC-HC to play .iso. However, I could not figure out what it wanted me to configure.

This is as far as I have gotten so far.
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post #1050 of 2023
6/25/12 at 2:50am
Does anyone have any idea why when I play 50hz content I get a black border around my image?

I am using MadVR and have a Panasonic VT30 with overscan off. I use an ATI 5770 and have set the overscan to none as it defaults to to it rolleyes.gif

If I play 24hz content it looks fine which is weird.....
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