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So what is the benefit of MadVR vs default in MPC?
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Control.
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Does anyone have advice for getting forced subtitles to work? They just won't show for me. I'm use the latest LAV, the latest MPC-HC, the latest MadVR, and even tested EVR-Custom. Just no luck. Regular subtitles work but not the forced ones... so the Avatar Extended will not work for me unless I learn Na'vi.
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So I have looked thru all 51 pages for this topic and there are so many thoughts as to setup. SO, here is my setup, and I would appreciate some help on the best settings to use for mpc-hc. I will be using this to watch bluray rips and dvd rips. All the bluray rips have either True-HD, DTS-HD, or DTS-HD MA.

I have mpc-hc with madvr and lav filters currently. I have it setup using the numerous guides I have seen on the net. Here is my HTPC system setup. Followed by my reciever and tv.

AMD A8-3870k
8gb ram
EVGA GT640 2gb card (I know, I know. Why the AMD A8-3870k cpu with integrated grpahics but I have an nvidia gpu. I just happened.)
60gb SSD for programs and OS
2tb 7200rpm drive for movie storage

Denon AVR-1912
Samsung LN46A750 HDTV

The pc is connected to the receiver via dvi to hdmi cable from the video card. The receiver is connected via a monster hdmi cable.

I am still trying to figure out the optimal settings for my setup but this is all so new to me. I have been using vlc player up until a week ago. I am basically just looking for optimal settings and whether madvr should be used over lav filters for video. Just need some advice. Thanks so much,
post #1505 of 2899
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Originally Posted by azula View Post

Hopefully I'm having a simple problem. I downloaded MPC-HC plug LAV and MADVR yesterday. I configured everything as described in the initial post of this thread. Whenever I'm watching a movie, it is extremely choppy and jittery. My material is ripped 1:1 MKV's. I am using a recently built HTPC with Windows 7 and an AMD A6-3500. No discrete video card if that means anything. Sorry, I am completely new to this and I don't even know where to begin trouble shooting! Thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted by steelman1991 View Post

In madVR go to Devices\Display Modes, make sure "switch to matching display mode" is checked. Then list display modes to switch to eg 1080p23, 1080p24, 1080p50 etc. Now when you open and play a file in 'fullscreen mode' your display should switch to the relevant fps of your display/file.


Steelman, this seems to have corrected my jitter issue but apparently it has brought on a much worse issue. Now, whenever I watch a MKV for about 5-8 minutes, it freezes and repeats the same half second sequence infinitely. The audio continues to play without a hitch, but the video freezes. Not sure what went wrong. I'm afraid to tinker in MAD-VR because 1) I have no idea what I'm doing and 2) there is no "restore defaults" option. Thanks again guys!

I've been using both assassin's guides and this guide to setup MPC-HC. There is one difference that I've observed between the two guides but I have no idea if it is the cause of the potential conflict. The difference is that assassin recommends that both 32 and 64 bit LAV filters be installed whereas this guide only has 32bit. Currently, I have 32 and 64 bit LAV filters if that means anything....
Edited by azula - 12/11/12 at 11:42pm
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Originally Posted by soonerfann View Post

So what is the benefit of MadVR vs default in MPC?

IMO the biggest benefit is if you watch a lot of non-HD material that needs to be up-scaled to an HD display. If you're watching mostly HD/Blu-Ray then the benefits are far less apparent.
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Originally Posted by Derko View Post

I went through this whole set up and are having some issues. The videos freeze within a few minutes of playing and while the sound continues...

having this exact same problem. trying to find a solution because madvr ROCKS otherwise.
post #1508 of 2899
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Originally Posted by azula View Post

Steelman, this seems to have corrected my jitter issue but apparently it has brought on a much worse issue. Now, whenever I watch a MKV for about 5-8 minutes, it freezes and repeats the same half second sequence infinitely. The audio continues to play without a hitch, but the video freezes. Not sure what went wrong. I'm afraid to tinker in MAD-VR because 1) I have no idea what I'm doing and 2) there is no "restore defaults" option. Thanks again guys!
I've been using both assassin's guides and this guide to setup MPC-HC. There is one difference that I've observed between the two guides but I have no idea if it is the cause of the potential conflict. The difference is that assassin recommends that both 32 and 64 bit LAV filters be installed whereas this guide only has 32bit. Currently, I have 32 and 64 bit LAV filters if that means anything....

What upscaling algorithms are you using in madVR (Jinc, Catmull, Lancoz?) - it may be that the one you've chosen, if also using anti-ringing filters is too powerful for your CPU. Worthwhile to experiment with other options to find one that suits.

Have a look at post #114 in this thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442663/which-hd-would-be-sufficient-for-madvr/90 it includes some tips by the madVR's author madshi.
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What are all these upscaling algorithms everyone is talking about in these last few pages? I don't see any mention of them on page 1. Am I missing something by not having "Jinc" or whatever not, uh... selected or installed?
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Originally Posted by adrift View Post

What are all these upscaling algorithms everyone is talking about in these last few pages? I don't see any mention of them on page 1. Am I missing something by not having "Jinc" or whatever not, uh... selected or installed?

adrift, check out the link that steelman posted in post number 1508. that pretty much explains all of the algorithms.


appreciate the link steelman. i think tinkering with the algorithms is actually helping my display. i will keep tinkering with them (that's what she said) to find the best combination for my setup. thanks again. also, if you guys could share which algorithm settings you are using for madvr, it would be greatly appreciated!
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Originally Posted by steelman1991 View Post

What upscaling algorithms are you using in madVR (Jinc, Catmull, Lancoz?) - it may be that the one you've chosen, if also using anti-ringing filters is too powerful for your CPU. Worthwhile to experiment with other options to find one that suits.
Have a look at post #114 in this thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442663/which-hd-would-be-sufficient-for-madvr/90 it includes some tips by the madVR's author madshi.

I have that post bookmarked already but wanted to say thank you for bringing it to other's attention..
post #1512 of 2899
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Originally Posted by azula View Post

adrift, check out the link that steelman posted in post number 1508. that pretty much explains all of the algorithms.

Oh, I guess I should have checked that out. Thank you!
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

Okay, so I streamlined a lot of stuff in the first post. I think it should be a lot easier to follow now.
Substance-wise, I removed reclock, and I also removed dxva copyback, cause I kinda was wary of them.

Could you possibly add the part you had about re-clock as an optional section?
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

If you are not planning to bitstream DTS or DTS-HD, search the arcsoft TMT folder for a file called dtsdecoderdll.dll. Then copy this file into the same folder that the x86 LAVaudio.ax is in. This will allow high quality DTS and DTS-HD decoding through LAV audio.

I implemented this and DTS sounds louder and more detailed. Thank you!

Will somebody please explain why exactly? I'm still passing 1.5 Mb/s as before, so why is the quality so much better now?
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is there an updated guide for that "ultimate playback guide using mpc-hc+madvr+lav filters"? and btw i just saw the latest release for madvr, and it seems it does support that dxva thing? or am i mistaken.eek.gif

i happen to see a lot of mpc-hc guides out there and it's just sometimes confusing especially when configuring madvr for that ultimate playback emphasizing on audio/video quality?

i hope someone out there who's really know the "know how" when it comes to things like this and make that "ultimate guide for mpc-hc using madvr+lav filters" truly appreciate it in advance:)

right now this guide is the one that i've been using for quite sometime though it seems it's only good for anime playback? http://www.bishoujoproject.com/mpc-hc-playback-guide/
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I made some changes to MPC-HC fullscreen mode. For remote users, it mimics WMC how the controls popup on play, pause,stop and rew/fwd.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1606260#post1606260

If you think this is a good improvement for fullscreen and remote, post a reply there to let them know this is needed so it might get added to MPC-HC.

Test build
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double post
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Q: ripped blu-ray to hd in folder structure with dvd fab - full quality - lossless audio checked. I'm playing the folder with MPC-HC, didn't adjust settings at all, analog outputs from asos stx computer soundcard- am I receiving lossless audio with mpc performing the decoding, or do i need to install the lav filters? Sounds like it me (mpc indicates that when the disc is playing and I click audio) but playing the disc directly with power dvd provides what appears to be better audio.
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Maybe I missed something. I followed the setup from the first page. My main HTPC is not connected right now so I was trying to get my laptop setup to run some stuff. It is a Gateway with a AMC Athalon II Dual-Core M300 at 2 GHz. I have 6 GB of ram and this uses the on board HD 4200 graphics chip. When I play a 1080 movie I get a massive amount of studder and it is dropping 10 frames for every one it shows. I thought the hardware was enough to run this. I tried the settings in the troubleshooting section, but that didnt seem to help. I saw the following post, but I don't see that setting as an option. Thanks for any help.
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Originally Posted by steelman1991 View Post

In madVR go to Devices\Display Modes, make sure "switch to matching display mode" is checked. Then list display modes to switch to eg 1080p23, 1080p24, 1080p50 etc. Now when you open and play a file in 'fullscreen mode' your display should switch to the relevant fps of your display/file.
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Originally Posted by ThrottleAbuse View Post

Maybe I missed something. I followed the setup from the first page. My main HTPC is not connected right now so I was trying to get my laptop setup to run some stuff. It is a Gateway with a AMC Athalon II Dual-Core M300 at 2 GHz. I have 6 GB of ram and this uses the on board HD 4200 graphics chip. When I play a 1080 movie I get a massive amount of studder and it is dropping 10 frames for every one it shows. I thought the hardware was enough to run this. I tried the settings in the troubleshooting section, but that didnt seem to help. I saw the following post, but I don't see that setting as an option. Thanks for any help.

Make sure under the audio config that you are not trying to bitstream HD audio, the HD 4200 doesn't support it.
Or is this just when using MadVR?
post #1521 of 2899
I changed the settings in the LAV audio decoder to only do DTS and DD(AC-3) That didn't seem to help.
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Kudos to the thread starter, this is a nice guide and I've used it to set up two different computers to play blu-ray files in MKV format (I just got fed up with my clunky and slow blu-ray player).

Anyway one of my computers is a relatively underpowered laptop, a 1.9 GHz dual core Celeron with Nvidia 8200 graphics. Its not good enough to run MadVR, but the 1080p/24 files look great with EVR-CP. Problem is interlaced files (1080i/30fps) really don't work at all. The best I can do is that they play and look bad. Best option is to uncheck "high quality processing" in the LAV video decoder.

It seems to me that the better option would be to set the computers screen resolution to 1080i/30fps and disable deinterlacing in MPC. Then I'd simply use the deinterlacer in my display, which happens to be very good in my case (I have a nice Mits projector). So, how do I do this? I,ve been hunting around all over the place to try to disable deinterlacing.
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MPC-HC is working great for me for MKV's. I want to rip a few blurays I own to my SSD for playback (love the fast seeking).

Do you recommend ripping to a BMDV folder or to an ISO for best compatibility with MPC-HC bluray playback? I will not be converting anything to MKV unless that works better somehow, and want to maintain 100% of the quality / DTS -HD MA tracks even if the files are 50GB in size, that's fine.

I'm going to be using the program anydvd i think, at least thats what I found via a quick google.

I understand the menu's wouldn't work or any extras, that's fine. I just need the ability to play the main feature, select my preferred audio track and subtitle track when applicable and I believe that capability exists.
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Originally Posted by vullcan View Post

MPC-HC is working great for me for MKV's. I want to rip a few blurays I own to my SSD for playback (love the fast seeking).
Do you recommend ripping to a BMDV folder or to an ISO for best compatibility with MPC-HC bluray playback? I will not be converting anything to MKV unless that works better somehow, and want to maintain 100% of the quality / DTS -HD MA tracks even if the files are 50GB in size, that's fine.
I'm going to be using the program anydvd i think, at least thats what I found via a quick google.
I understand the menu's wouldn't work or any extras, that's fine. I just need the ability to play the main feature, select my preferred audio track and subtitle track when applicable and I believe that capability exists.

If you just want the main movie and are never going to need menus or extras, just rip to MKV (Use MakeMKV its free) , it maintains 100% of the quality in both audio and video.
BDMV folder and ISO are basically the same thing, with ISO you will need to use another program to mount the ISO first for MPC-HC to play it.
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Originally Posted by vullcan View Post

MPC-HC is working great for me for MKV's. I want to rip a few blurays I own to my SSD for playback (love the fast seeking).
Do you recommend ripping to a BMDV folder or to an ISO for best compatibility with MPC-HC bluray playback? I will not be converting anything to MKV unless that works better somehow, and want to maintain 100% of the quality / DTS -HD MA tracks even if the files are 50GB in size, that's fine.
I'm going to be using the program anydvd i think, at least thats what I found via a quick google.
I understand the menu's wouldn't work or any extras, that's fine. I just need the ability to play the main feature, select my preferred audio track and subtitle track when applicable and I believe that capability exists.

Don't do this. Use HDD drives for data storage. Ripping them to SSD will reduce the life of the SSD.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Don't do this. Use HDD drives for data storage. Ripping them to SSD will reduce the life of the SSD.

That is bad advice. He can rip movies to his SSD if he likes.

The only way not to "reduce the life of the SSD" is to not use it at all.

For people who actually use their SSD, you can write a lot to it before it reaches its EOL spec. For flash rated for 3000 erase cycles, you can write about 3000 times the capacity of the SSD before it reaches EOL spec (assuming you are doing mostly sequential writes). Certainly ripping a few movies a week to the SSD will not wear it out prematurely.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Don't do this. Use HDD drives for data storage. Ripping them to SSD will reduce the life of the SSD.

... and you will get absolutely no benefit from using an SSD. You can only rip as fast as your BD drive will read the disc and the video bitrate will determine the speed at which the rip is read from the HDD. Both are much, much lower than the speed of an HDD.
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Originally Posted by jim2100 View Post

That is bad advice. He can rip movies to his SSD if he likes.
He can rip them to SSD if he wants but that does not make what Sammy2 said bad advice. It's actually pretty good advice. Save the SSD for things that will benefit from the SSD. Ripping movies is not one of them.
post #1529 of 2899
It absolutely is bad advice. You should not avoid using an SSD because you are afraid of wearing it out prematurely.

And the OP said that he likes playing the movies from SSD. So apparently he is getting a benefit out of it.
post #1530 of 2899
Okay. Read/Write "wear" on an SSD is one thing but cost of storage space is a much larger thing.

If you are using an SSD for this you are most likely deleting and re-writing new rips to it because the of cost unless you have a huge budget for SSD's. If you are repeatedly deleting and re-writing to the SSD then you are wearing out the SSD much faster with absolutely no benefit realized from the increased speed of the SSD. Using an HDD allows for more storage per dollar expended and therefor you are less likely to delete and re-write on the disc or if you do do that the drive cost less per GB to replace.

SSD's are benefitial in loading programs and snapping through libraries, not storing data. When the cost of SSD's gets equivalent to that of HDD's per GB, then it would be time to re-consider this position. I stand firmly behind my advice as sound.
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