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post #1741 of 2037
Thanks renethx, I had seen that suggestion around the web but didnt know if it had any actual basis or not. Will give it a go.

Without reclock aligning perfect playback, I was getting a frame drop almost exactly every 3.33 minutes. My screen reports a refresh rate of 23.971. Is this delta to 23.976 the reason for that? Anyway that is why I started using reclock for the perfect playback and really don't notice a drop in audio quality. The drops weren't so bothersome to me, I was just tinkering with different things to try to address the lag.
post #1742 of 2037
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My screen reports a refresh rate of 23.971

What's your graphics card? If it's NVIDIA, you should be able to get near perfect 23.976Hz refresh rate by creating custom timings.
post #1743 of 2037
yes GTX 580 (I use the same machine for home office, gaming and htpc).

If I set custom timings in the nvidia control panel, do they still automatically switch (ie to 60hz) when necessary?

Sorry if this is getting OT.
post #1744 of 2037
Yes. BTW in NVIDIA control panel, you only see "24Hz". Actually there are "23Hz" (your custom timings) and "24Hz" (= 24.000Hz). So madVR can change the refresh rate to either.
post #1745 of 2037
Thanks again, more to check out tonght. Still learning so much and I appreciate your help. I used your guides a couple of years ago when I was learning about newbuilds.
post #1746 of 2037
Set-up reclock! wink.gif
post #1747 of 2037
I must have some sort of unique setup.

Jinc3+AR for chroma and image work fine for me on ddr3-1333.

My video card is at really low temps. Otherwise I'd be getting ringing badly and dripping frames.

I3-3220
EVGA Z75
EVGA GT430
6GB Memory unmatched with different timings.


My question is.. Is it really running that way. I haven't seen this kind of performance ever..

Just added a cooler to my 430 and changed the motherboard in the last day.

Makes me wonder how fast it will be when I get my 2133 memory.
post #1748 of 2037
CPU / system memory is irrelevant to madVR performance.
post #1749 of 2037
Oh
post #1750 of 2037
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

CPU / system memory is irrelevant to madVR performance.

I don't think it's irrelevant because since madvr works with the gpu's memory/shaders ,just like as a game does ,a weak cpu (single-core , low dual-core) will bottleneck a gpu that is not so powerful.For instance I have a geforce g210 which loses frames when it comes to copy with "heavy" bitrate videos but when I use it in a system with a decent dual core all that go away!
Edited by theod78 - 2/16/13 at 4:20am
post #1751 of 2037
If you go to the lowest CPU possible, it'll bottleneck everything. tongue.gif
post #1752 of 2037
How much of the guide is applicable if one just wants to setup MPC-HC for the first time for music, DVDs and video clips rather than for a HTPC? Can it be followed in full, partially or is there different instructions altogether for that use?

I got lost at the Audio Config section and below since it appears that it might be solely for bitstreaming to an external audio receiver and subtitle options that may differ for a HTPC setup? No idea what to select for Windows Audio Setup for sample rate and bit depth for a typical PC setup of 2.1 speakers and whatever low end sound card Dell uses.
post #1753 of 2037
Video section should be the same. In LAV Audio Decoder configuration, uncheck all Bitstreaming formats (so all compressed audio formats will be decoded to LPCM) and in the mixing tab, select your speaker configuration. In Windows Sound > Playback, select your speaker configuration again, and in Speaker Properties > Advanced, 24bit, 48kHz or whatever the best bit depth/sample rate your sound card supports. (Or bypass Windows audio engine completely via ReClock+WASAPI exclusive mode.)
post #1754 of 2037
Encountered a slight issue last night whilst watching Looper (blu-ray folder - DTS HD).

Previously I was running an intel i3-540 with reclock (resampled) and sound was fine, however last week I upgraded to a HD7750. With the HD7750 I no longer need reclock as the refresh rate is prefect, so I have disabled it. Now I'm bit-streaming directly to my Yamaha AVR (RX-V1067)...

Last night while watching the movie I got a loud pop though my speakers, this happened on two separate occasions during the movie. No other sound glitches or odd behavior. I'm concerned it may be as result of bit-streaming? Any ideas?
Edited by balkerman - 2/18/13 at 4:15pm
post #1755 of 2037
bad source. Where did the movie file come from ?

Unless it happens on every video file it's usually the source.
post #1756 of 2037
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

bad source. Where did the movie file come from ?

Unless it happens on every video file it's usually the source.

Direct rip from my blu-ray disc, did it myself using AnyDVD to copy disc folder then Clown BD for movie only.
post #1757 of 2037
No GPU gives you a 100% correct refresh rate, there is always a small difference, and as such it can happen that during the movie at some point it either drops or repeats a video frame, or drops or repeats an audio frame, depending on how everything is setup for you. If it happens twice during a full movie, and assuming not twice close together but relatively spaced out in the file, that would explain it.

In general, i would recommend to use decoding and stick to reclock, even if you don't think its needed, but it does ensure flawless playback.
post #1758 of 2037
I remember I had sound glitches with LAV TrueHD decoding + ReClock (a Gaga live show BD). Bitstreaming works fine, any other format works fine, so I guess everything is ok with container parsing. Did not much testing though. Maybe I just have to increase ReClock's buffer.
post #1759 of 2037
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Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post

No GPU gives you a 100% correct refresh rate, there is always a small difference, and as such it can happen that during the movie at some point it either drops or repeats a video frame, or drops or repeats an audio frame, depending on how everything is setup for you. If it happens twice during a full movie, and assuming not twice close together but relatively spaced out in the file, that would explain it.

In general, i would recommend to use decoding and stick to reclock, even if you don't think its needed, but it does ensure flawless playback.

That's makes alot of sense...I have taken your advise re-enabled reclock. I guess i'll hear what happens...ha-ha...

Also, I have added the symbols as recently I encounter splitter error as described by Madshi (common but yet to be solved due to lack of debug info) in response to a bug report. Hopefully I can capture some useful info for you...
post #1760 of 2037
madVR new version .86 released.

Madshi was pretty excited about it. Wonder what is new that you can actually see on the screen in movies
post #1761 of 2037
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

madVR new version .86 released.

Madshi was pretty excited about it. Wonder what is new that you can actually see on the screen in movies

He added FRC to make motion smoother. (my main use will be for 23.976/24 fps content smoother on a 60hz screens to make judder less and make it so it's closer to what a display that supports a true 24hz mode (48hz, 72hz, 120hz, 240hz) and provide a similair experience, thus removing the 3:2 pulldown at the display, since it's done at the video renderer) I'll copy and paste his notes when I posted the new version:
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Introducing the new "smooth motion" frame rate changer (FRC) with the following main features / benefits:

(1) Can convert any source frame rate to any display refresh rate, while maintaining smooth motion.
(2) Endless playback without frame drops/repeats (if your PC is fast enough) without needing Reclock.

There are disadvantages, too, of course:

(1) Slightly higher GPU usage (not too much) with default settings.
(2) Some sharpness loss (almost invisible with 23-25fps -> 60Hz conversion).

23-25fps -> 60Hz: minimal sharpness loss, nearly invisible
24fps -> 24Hz: visible sharpness loss
60fps -> 24Hz: very noticeable sharpness loss

Basically the higher the refresh rate, the better. And the lower the source framerate, the better.

There's a new version of the madTestPatternSource filter available. It's now a separate download because it increased in file size quite a lot, due to the new test patterns for smooth motion.

Technically the FRC algorithm simulates a display with infinite refresh rate. Which means that every video frame is displayed exactly when the timestamps ask for it. Consequently the motion smoothness depends on proper timestamps. If the timestamps (or audio clock) contain jitter, the playback will contain jitter, too. So even if Reclock might not be needed to avoid frame drops/repeats, anymore, when using madVR's new FRC algorithm, you might still want to use Reclock, because it provides a stable and reliable audio clock with very low jitter, and it supports WSAPI exclusive mode, too. You can however slave Reclock to the audio hardware clock, if you want. Having Reclock fully enabled with audio resampling is still possible, though, it shouldn't harm madVR's FRC algorithm.

To my best knowledge madVR is now the only way to playback Blu-Ray/DVD movies without 3:2 pulldown judder on displays which don't support 23.976Hz playback properly. I don't think any hardware Blu-Ray player can do that, or even any of the expensive video processors. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

One last hint: There's a new "trade quality for performance" option in the madVR settings which affects the quality of the FRC frame blending. By default frame blending is done in gamma corrected light, which is fast, but not mathematically correct. If your GPU is fast enough, it's highly recommended that you disable the "trade quality" option for highest image quality. There are no negative side effects to blending frames in linear light - except for higher GPU usage, of course.

P.S: Just to avoid confusion: madVR's smooth motion FRC does *NOT* modify audio in any way. Playback speed is not affected at all. The only thing that changes is that motion looks much smoother, if the display refresh rate isn't an even multiple of the source framerate.
post #1762 of 2037
I recently had to re-install everything on my HTPC, and used the latest versions of all software listed on the first page of the guide. Looks like everything is working, but I have a few quick questions

1) I have a i5-2500K and am using the HD3000 gpu. Should I change any of the default settings in MadVR after installation? (I play 99% blu ray MKV rips)
2) I play all of my movies from the MKV container. In several movies, the default "English forced subtitle" track doesn't do anything. For instance it works in Avatar but not in Argo. If I hit S a few times it will eventually find the correct forced track, but by default it says "Enabled, English Subtitles (Forced)" but doesn't show the subtitles. I have to manually cycle them to get to the correct subtitle track. Is this normal? Looking at "The Rite", which I remembered also had subtitles, has the same problem. All of these movies were ripped from my blu rays directly using MakeMKV.
Edited by damelon - 2/22/13 at 3:35pm
post #1763 of 2037
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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

I recently had to re-install everything on my HTPC, and used the latest versions of all software listed on the first page of the guide. Looks like everything is working, but I have a few quick questions

1) I have a i5-2500K and am using the HD4000 gpu. Should I change any of the default settings in MadVR after installation? (I play 99% blu ray MKV rips)
2) I play all of my movies from the MKV container. In several movies, the default "English forced subtitle" track doesn't do anything. For instance it works in Avatar but not in Argo. If I hit S a few times it will eventually find the correct forced track, but by default it says "Enabled, English Subtitles (Forced)" but doesn't show the subtitles. I have to manually cycle them to get to the correct subtitle track. Is this normal? Looking at "The Rite", which I remembered also had subtitles, has the same problem. All of these movies were ripped from my blu rays directly using MakeMKV.

2500k CPU has HD3000 graphics wink.gif
post #1764 of 2037
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

2500k CPU has HD3000 graphics wink.gif

My bad, just did an ivy bridge build and had it on the mind smile.gif
post #1765 of 2037
I am a novice, but after trying PDVD and TMT I find MPC to be by far the most stable and user friendly. I am attempting to install the lav filters, madvr, tmtdts decoder. Does MPC indicate, while a blu-ray is playing, what filters/renderer are being used so that I will know if my installation was successful? And would it indicate whether I am hearing the dts ma audio rather than the core audio, so that I know whether my installation of the dts decoder was successful? And any thoughts on alternatively purchasing jriver with the filters pre-configured for a novice like myself? thanks!
post #1766 of 2037
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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

My bad, just did an ivy bridge build and had it on the mind smile.gif

lol biggrin.gif

I was just playing. I also own both a 2500k and a 3570k.
post #1767 of 2037
Yes, right click anywhere on a playing movie, go to options and hoover over filter and you will see what is being used.
post #1768 of 2037
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Originally Posted by Postmoderndesign View Post

Yes, right click anywhere on a playing movie, go to options and hoover over filter and you will see what is being used.
Is there any way with the right click I can tell whether I'm getting the lossless audio when playing a blu-ray rather than the lossy core?
post #1769 of 2037
Can't you just look at your amp?
post #1770 of 2037
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

Can't you just look at your amp?
I am running analog from my soundcard directly to tube monoblocks. No reciever/ prepro.
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