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post #181 of 2897
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after you install madvr, there are some test patterns in the madvr folder that will show maximal differences.
post #182 of 2897
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im interested in getting more exact with the system requirements.

If anyone could underclock their system (lower the multi or something) until high bitrate (30-40 megabit) 1080p/i H264 video is just barely playable with the different methods I listed, and then run 64 bit cinebench r11.5 to find out what the system scores at that point, I would be grateful. A lot of what I put there are basically just guesses atm.

Also, on the gpu front, does anyone have an intel hd2000 gpu? can that manage madvr even with bilinear scaling for luma and chroma?


and in an unrelated note, i removed coreavc from the op. I looked at some benchmarks, and it doesn't really provide anything that lav video can't provide.
post #183 of 2897
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post


If anyone could underclock their system (lower the multi or something) until high bitrate (30-40 megabit) 1080p/i H264 video is just barely playable with the different methods I listed, and then run 64 bit cinebench r11.5 to find out what the system scores at that point, I would be grateful. A lot of what I put there are basically just guesses atm.


...and how we will show you that playback is really fine?
post #184 of 2897
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ill take your word for it.
you can look at the cpu usage, and see at what point does it get to 85-90% just to play the video.
post #185 of 2897
So just to clear this up for me. When using this guide to setup MPC, Does it associate all of the video played through Windows Media Center with MPC? Or do we have to configure MPC as an external player for WMC?
post #186 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Petrucci View Post
So just to clear this up for me. When using this guide to setup MPC, Does it associate all of the video played through Windows Media Center with MPC? Or do we have to configure MPC as an external player for WMC?
You have to associate what file type(s) you want to open with MPC-HC and then tell MPC-HC to launch (I do this with Mediabrowser).

The once MPC-HC is launched the configurations kick in.

Or just play with WMC which is what I do as I haven't found MPC-HC +/- Madvr to be that different (if at all) on my system.
post #187 of 2897
I just followed all the steps and reinstalled MPC-HC 32 bit and followed all the instructions. The video does look better than it used to but I am getting no sound with dts-hd. This used to bitstream to my receiver fine work a while back (I haven't used my htpc for a while). AC3 works fine.
Any ideas what am I missing?
post #188 of 2897
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tell me how things are connected.

you are connecting hdmi from your computer straight to your receiver, right?

and what graphics card and receiver are you using?


My thought is that you were just bitstreaming DTS before and not DTS-HD. is that possible?
post #189 of 2897
Thanks for the quick response. Yes, the pc goes to the receiver.
The graphics card is a HD 4670
I am trying to play the exact same files that used to work. I was just testing things out.
post #190 of 2897
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From what I understand, since the 4670 lacks PAP, it shouldn't be able to bitstream DTSHD or TrueHD.

You can do one of 2 things, you can either bitstream just DTS, or even better, uncheck both DTS and DTSHD, get your hands on arcsoft TMT3 or TMT5, and follow the part on advanced DTS and DTSHD software decoding.
post #191 of 2897
just check all these boxes



EDIT: i just show that your VGA is not capable for bitstreaming DTS-HD MA & Dolby TrueHD
leave these two boxes unchecked
post #192 of 2897
Thanks. I unchecked the boxes as you both suggested. I should have remembered. It's been a while since I played with this. It is working fine now....so far
post #193 of 2897
Hey Mindbomb...sorry I didn't get back with you the other day. My Mom had a brain tumor removed this week, as well as having an aneurysm taken care of. I get some time I'll try and give it another go. Thanks again for the help.
post #194 of 2897
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this is almost a complete guess Todd, but try specifying an audio renderer and see if that fixes your problem. its under options, output, and manually specify it rather than leaving it at system default.
post #195 of 2897
mindbomb which GPU has your system?
post #196 of 2897
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well, the 3 computers i use the most would be my desktop with an overclocked q6600 and nvidia gtx 260, my htpc with an athlon x2 3800+ and an nvidia 8600gt, and my netbook which has an AMD E350 and a radeon 6310.

on my desktop im basically doing what the guide suggests. well, im exactly doing what it suggests actually.

on my htpc, the video card doesn't have enough memory for madvr, so im stuck using lav cuvid for decoding and ffdshow for hq rgb conversion. Why don't I get a new graphics card your wondering? well, i need component video out. and everything nowadays is hdmi, so i have to wait till i upgrade my tv first.

on my netbook, i use dxva for performance and battery life reasons.

If I had to suggest a new card, I would probably suggest a radeon 6450 or nvidia gt 520 if deinterlacing 1080i isnt that important to you and you have a good enough cpu for yadif and frame doubling and decoding. If you need high quality 1080i deinterlacing, nvidia gt 440 with gddr5.
post #197 of 2897
are you planing to do a MPC-HC guide (or add some spoilers on the sticky thread) - optimized - for Zacate builds [without MadVr]?

this would be also very intresting.

Core AVC 3.0 seems to be a very good alternative for users that need DXVA
post #198 of 2897
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you really cant do much with zacate other than dxva.

and dxva isnt hard to set up. mpc hc defaults to it.

there are plenty of dxva decoders available, so you don't really need to pay for one directly.

For example, there are the ones that come with mpc hc used by default if no other video decoder is given preference, then there is one that comes with windows 7 (microsoft dtv-dvd video decoder), then there is one that comes with cyberlink powerdvd (cyberlink video decoder) that works well with lav splitter but no other splitter, and there is some that come with ffdshow.

So, you probably have at least one of those.
post #199 of 2897
For me madvr does not work well for AVC Interlaced. I get combing. I tried this guide but went back to shark using ffdshow for video/audio with bit streaming. I also use cyberlink for VC-1.

By using this combination I cover all MKV, M2TS HD materials with no issues.

I'm using win 7 and ATI 5450 HDMI out.
post #200 of 2897
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Originally Posted by reuveng View Post

For me madvr does not work well for AVC Interlaced. I get combing. I tried this guide but went back to shark using ffdshow for video/audio with bit streaming. I also use cyberlink for VC-1.

By using this combination I cover all MKV, M2TS HD materials with no issues.

I'm using win 7 and ATI 5450 HDMI out.

Coming means you didn't insert a deinterlacer between the video decoder and madVR. HD 5450 is incapable of processing 60 frames per second by madVR anyway. You will need a better graphics card such as HD 6570.
post #201 of 2897
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Originally Posted by reuveng View Post

For me madvr does not work well for AVC Interlaced. I get combing. I tried this guide but went back to shark using ffdshow for video/audio with bit streaming. I also use cyberlink for VC-1.

By using this combination I cover all MKV, M2TS HD materials with no issues.

I'm using win 7 and ATI 5450 HDMI out.


i did mention that you can use ffdshow to deinterlace with yadif.
cyberlink is pretty good for vc-1 though, you can use that instead of wmvideo decoder dmo if you want.
in my experience, cyberlink's vc-1 decoder is a lot faster for interlaced, but a little slower for progressive vc-1.
post #202 of 2897
in yadif`s settings, what does "the skip spatial interlacing check"?

in renethx`s post at the Lav MAdvr guide is checked.
in this guide it is unchecked.
post #203 of 2897
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i think what i am recommending is right.

according to this http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Yadif , and this http://ffdshow-tryout.sourceforge.ne...:deinterlacing , it seems that the best quality is with the spatial check on, thus leaving that option unchecked.
post #204 of 2897
thanks bro!
post #205 of 2897
some recommendations for madvr high quality settings:

Chroma scaling SoftCubic Softness 70
luma upscaling Lanczos 4-tap
luma downscaling Lanczos 4-tap
post #206 of 2897
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

i did mention that you can use ffdshow to deinterlace with yadif.
cyberlink is pretty good for vc-1 though, you can use that instead of wmvideo decoder dmo if you want.
in my experience, cyberlink's vc-1 decoder is a lot faster for interlaced, but a little slower for progressive vc-1.

EVR custom pres. and ffdshow are doing good job on the AVC interlaced format with out selecting the interlaced option at all.

cyberlink + EVR custom are doing very well with VC-1 intrelaced.

Is madVR only hardware?
I can't use DVXA at all but my quad core phenom is handling all well.
post #207 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Tony_Montana View Post

some recommendations for madvr high quality settings:

Chroma scaling SoftCubic Softness 70
luma upscaling Lanczos 4-tap
luma downscaling Lanczos 4-tap

Would you need a decent cpu of gpu for these settings?

-Kevin
post #208 of 2897
If you have a weak CPU and you are going to use lav cuvid , any nvidia card with 1GB ram GDDR5 will be fine.


If you have a strong CPU that can do sw decoding / de-interlacing , possible any dGPU will have no problem.
post #209 of 2897
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Would you need a decent cpu of gpu for these settings?

-Kevin

For progressive contents (except for 60 fps), even Celeron G530 is enough. For interlaced contents and progressive 60fps, A8-3800 DDR3-1600/Core i3-2105/GT 430 DDR3-1600/HD 6570 is minimum (and sufficient).

Here is a common confusion. If an interlaced video stream (60 field per second up to 1/1.001 factor in NTSC countries) is deinterlaced (by CPU if you use yadif, by GPU's stream processors if you use LAV CUVID), it becomes a progressive 60 fps (frame per second) stream and this is exactly what madVR receives and has to process by using GPU's stream processors. This is demanding compared to progressive 24 fps (GPU has to process 2.5 times faster).
post #210 of 2897
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

For progressive contents (except for 60 fps), even Celeron G530 is enough. For interlaced contents and progressive 60fps, A8-3800 DDR3-1600/Core i3-2105/GT 430 DDR3-1600/HD 6570 is minimum (and sufficient).

Here is a common confusion. If an interlaced video stream (60 field per second up to 1/1.001 factor in NTSC countries) is deinterlaced (by CPU if you use yadif, by GPU's stream processors if you use LAV CUVID), it becomes a progressive 60 fps (frame per second) stream and this is exactly what madVR receives and has to process by using GPU's stream processors. This is demanding compared to progressive 24 fps (GPU has to process 2.5 times faster).

Ahh ok thank you very much! I think ill just keep the settings I have right now. Running off of a laptop using a GT220m w/ 1gig of ram and a Intel T6600.

-Kevin
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