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post #1951 of 2897
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do you have hdmi going from the computer to the receiver first, and then to the TV?

also, try different hdmi ports. I just read that the sony receiver has a gaming hdmi port where a lot of features won't work. I think this may be the issue.
Edited by MlNDBOMB - 6/4/13 at 7:22am
post #1952 of 2897
Hello! I was wondering if it's possible to use Smooth Vision Project with this guide? I also see that you have a section where smoothing is in the madvr settings, under rendering, but for some reason, mine is missing it. I have the exact same version.
post #1953 of 2897
I have the hdmi running from the htpc to the amp to the tv. It is running into the video port. I also tired running it into the amp bd port.
post #1954 of 2897
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Originally Posted by gappunk View Post

I have the hdmi running from the htpc to the amp to the tv. It is running into the video port. I also tired running it into the amp bd port.

and that didnt fix it? with mpc hc set to use reclock, and reclock set to amd hdmi with the amp's bd port?
Other than that, im stumped. Your using the hdmi audio driver packaged with the latest amd catalyst?
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Originally Posted by Derko View Post

Hello! I was wondering if it's possible to use Smooth Vision Project with this guide? I also see that you have a section where smoothing is in the madvr settings, under rendering, but for some reason, mine is missing it. I have the exact same version.

i imagine you should be able to, though I haven't tried. madVR has smooth motion to take care of judder. SVP is primarily used to increase frame rate, which can also take care of judder if you set it to match your refresh rate, but it's more about the increased frame rate.
post #1955 of 2897
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

try this -
configure reclock> under devices to use with, change wasapi exclusive and waveout from default device to amd hdmi


and if that doesnt work-
mpc hc options>output> system default as audio renderer.

Ok I tried doing this again and unchecking all bitstream formats with success. I then tried checking formats one by one and the audio stopped working when I got to dts. Now when I play a movie the only light on the amp is lpcm. I would like to be able to have it on dts or plii. Are there anything else I can configure to achievethis?
post #1956 of 2897
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lpcm is just as good as bitstreaming for the most part - the exception being for dts-hd, where you need the arcsoft file for it to be equivalent.

You can try different audio interfaces for bitstreaming in reclock - default is waveout.
post #1957 of 2897
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post


i imagine you should be able to, though I haven't tried. madVR has smooth motion to take care of judder. SVP is primarily used to increase frame rate, which can also take care of judder if you set it to match your refresh rate, but it's more about the increased frame rate.

I got the madvr smooth motion working... but for some reason I install SVP and nothing happens. Is there a setting I will need to change in MPC to get it to be compatible?
post #1958 of 2897
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

lpcm is just as good as bitstreaming for the most part - the exception being for dts-hd, where you need the arcsoft file for it to be equivalent.

You can try different audio interfaces for bitstreaming in reclock - default is waveout.

Ok well that's good. At least it's better than nothing. I have a couple of noob questions, 1) the arcsoft file, do I install arcsoft and then copy that dll to lav? And does reclock still have control even tho it's not selected as one of the outputs? Thanks.
post #1959 of 2897
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you just need the file, you dont need arcsoft installed, though, presumably, you got the file from installing it at some point.
reclock has to be selected as the audio renderer for any of the reclock options to matter.
post #1960 of 2897
I just got a 2560 x 1440 WQHD 27" monitor connected using DisplayPort to a Sapphire 7770 GPU. The monitor will upscale 1080 but I am wondering if there are any settings in mpc-hc to use 2560 x 1440.
post #1961 of 2897
MPC-HC automatically upscales to whatever display resolution (Video Frame > Touch Window From Inside) or whatever resolution you specified in Pan&Scan > Edit...
Edited by renethx - 6/8/13 at 10:27pm
post #1962 of 2897
I used to switch subtitles with the keyboard hotkey "S" in MPC-HC (stock vanilla without madVR).
After madVR installation, the hotkey doesn't work anymore because subtitle switching has to be done from madVR systray icon instead.
Is it possible to add on a hotkey for madVR subtitle switching?
post #1963 of 2897
Make sure to use LAV Splitter Source filter, hotkey "S" will work whatever subtitle filter / video renderer you use.
post #1964 of 2897
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Make sure to use LAV Splitter Source filter, hotkey "S" will work whatever subtitle filter / video renderer you use.
You mean I should have both "LAV Splitter" & "LAV Splitter Source" checked and set "Prefer" under External Filters?
What's the difference between these 2?
post #1965 of 2897
If you are not sure what to do, then

1. Reinstall LAV Filters.
2. Uncheck the internal source filters of MPC-HC you do not want to use in MPC-HC Options > Internal Filters > Source Filters.

You don't have to add them in External Filters.

"LAV Splitter Source" is a source filter + a splitter filter. "LAV Splitter" is a splitter filter only.
post #1966 of 2897
I uncheck "LAV Splitter", add in "LAV Splitter Source" and set it as "Prefer"....and now everything works great. S hotkey is working.
post #1967 of 2897
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if mpc hc crashes, and you open a new one with the old process still running, the hotkeys stop working.
I think that must have been what is happening, since the hotkeys should work the same regardless of what you did with lav splitter source.
post #1968 of 2897
I have installed everything except reclock pursuant to the aforementioned instructions, and everything is working well - audio decoders and all. This may be a stupid question: what exactly does "reclock" do? I am not bitstreaming audio - the lav and dts decoders are decoding to pcm. thanks!
post #1969 of 2897
If everything is working well and you don't notice sync issues then don't bother with reclock. I haven't installed it but I bitstream too.
post #1970 of 2897
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Originally Posted by gerall View Post

I have installed everything except reclock pursuant to the aforementioned instructions, and everything is working well - audio decoders and all. This may be a stupid question: what exactly does "reclock" do? I am not bitstreaming audio - the lav and dts decoders are decoding to pcm. thanks!

Reclock, in this guide, is a way to get wasapi. Wasapi is a more pure audio path for pcm.
Even if you bitstream most of what you watch, you might backup some videos with flac audio or some other format that can't be bitstreamed, so you can still benefit.

Reclock can do a lot more with regards to video smoothness, but I didn't get into it in the guide to keep it easy to follow.

Reclock, by default, will change the audio rate and pitch by small amounts so that the video frame rate will be changed to match a nearby refresh rate. For this functionality, ignore the steps to disable the built in estimators, don't slave reference clock to audio, and leave media adaptation unlocked and set to auto. Basically, stop after the first picture in the reclock section. It's important to note that you should only be working in pcm (no bitstreaming, and you're gonna need the arcsoft file for dts-hd) and that you need to have refresh rates set up in madvr for it to work well.
Edited by MlNDBOMB - 6/10/13 at 4:17pm
post #1971 of 2897
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edit:nvm, reverted changes.
Edited by MlNDBOMB - 6/11/13 at 8:26am
post #1972 of 2897
That was fast. Does MPC-BE have it's own equivalent to reclock but maybe you discovered a glitch so reverted the guide?
post #1973 of 2897
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Yea, I did find a bug with monitor detection for when you wanna set it to open fullscreen on a second monitor/TV. I couldn't get that to work like I could in mpc hc for some reason.
MPC-BE has recently revamped the internal mpc audio renderer and it's wasapi exclusive mode, so it performs similarly to reclock with bitperfect settings.
Edited by MlNDBOMB - 6/11/13 at 11:14am
post #1974 of 2897
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Alright, so this time, I incorporated Kawaii Codec Pack into the guide, since it greatly quickens setup time by getting most of the basic installation out of the way.
I can go back to the old way if needed, but I think one of the barriers to the old way was it was too long and intimidating.
post #1975 of 2897
im not a big fan of codec packs, they change with every version too. what is vsfilter? do you suggest we switch to MPC-BE? Also if i want to compare reclock with default, what audio renderer is best?
post #1976 of 2897
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xy vsfilter is a subtitle renderer. it's particularly well known in anime circles where complex text subs are used, as it performs better than the mpc hc one in these cases. Otherwise, it's pretty similiar.
Oh, and when you use something like xy vsfilter, you have to use dxva copyback rather than dxva native in lav video.

I was playing around with the idea earlier of going with mpc be, since it has a working mpc audio renderer with a wasapi exclusive mode, and it would cut down on things to install and configure since you wouldn't need reclock just for wasapi, but i ended up going in an entirely different direction.

reclock is the best audio renderer. You can configure it to make your videos smoother or you can have it just output audio completely untouched, and either of those qualities are hard to find in directshow audio renderers.
post #1977 of 2897
I guess it's popular because it supports 10bit video (common in anime).
post #1978 of 2897
Its popular because its much faster rendering complex ASS/SSA subtitles, when original VSFilter or MPC-HCs internal subrenderer require some serious CPU time.
post #1979 of 2897
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

Yea, I did find a bug with monitor detection for when you wanna set it to open fullscreen on a second monitor/TV. I couldn't get that to work like I could in mpc hc for some reason.
MPC-BE has recently revamped the internal mpc audio renderer and it's wasapi exclusive mode, so it performs similarly to reclock with bitperfect settings.

So how does this compare to reclock?

I don't have dual monitors in my HT so maybe I want to run MPC-BE instead of MPC-HC?
post #1980 of 2897
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you can try it out, mpc be svn 2800 or newer I think was when they had the new audio renderer.
The player itself is pretty similiar to mpc hc.
Choose MPC audio renderer in the output page and click properties and set it for wasapi exclusive mode.
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