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post #2191 of 2912
Need some help with fast forwarding.
I can get this to partially work with the keyboard. (Still struggling with the remote, but still working on that...)
I am trying to get MKV playback to be able to fast forward. I can hit the FF command on the onscreen controls and it will FF. However, when I hit play, it does not resume normal playback. I have to hit the "decrease speed" button on the screen. This normal? Am I missing some settings?
post #2192 of 2912
You can program this in the MPC-HC options menu under "Keys" all the way to the right column is MCE remote settings.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1382760/mkv-fast-forward-and-rewind
post #2193 of 2912
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

You can program this in the MPC-HC options menu under "Keys" all the way to the right column is MCE remote settings.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1382760/mkv-fast-forward-and-rewind
That seems to be about skipping forward. Also, there is no MCE remote settings column. There is App Command and RemoteCmd columns. I found another link - since lost - that says to configure app command for FF to be Media_fast_Forward, which it looks like it was reset. Was going in and out of there a few times. I also just noticed a "reset rate" command. Wonder if I can set that to Media_play also...
post #2194 of 2912
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Originally Posted by JayMPSU View Post

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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

You can program this in the MPC-HC options menu under "Keys" all the way to the right column is MCE remote settings.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1382760/mkv-fast-forward-and-rewind
That seems to be about skipping forward. Also, there is no MCE remote settings column. There is App Command and RemoteCmd columns. I found another link - since lost - that says to configure app command for FF to be Media_fast_Forward, which it looks like it was reset. Was going in and out of there a few times. I also just noticed a "reset rate" command. Wonder if I can set that to Media_play also...

I'm not staring at it right now but rather going from memory from when I set this up a couple years ago now. It would seem it is the RemoteCmd column. And doing an actual >> or << for an mkv seems to be not available in MPC-HC or WMC player either for that matter. I have mine set for 30 second skip forward and 10 skip backward. I rarely use skip forward but do use skip backward from time to time. If your mkv has chapter flags set the >| and |< buttons will jump from chapter to chapter, BTW.
post #2195 of 2912
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Originally Posted by JayMPSU View Post

That seems to be about skipping forward. Also, there is no MCE remote settings column. There is App Command and RemoteCmd columns. I found another link - since lost - that says to configure app command for FF to be Media_fast_Forward, which it looks like it was reset. Was going in and out of there a few times. I also just noticed a "reset rate" command. Wonder if I can set that to Media_play also...

That worked. So much happier when things work. biggrin.gif
Now I just need to figure out how to stop the movie and exit back to media browser
post #2196 of 2912
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Originally Posted by JayMPSU View Post

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Originally Posted by JayMPSU View Post

That seems to be about skipping forward. Also, there is no MCE remote settings column. There is App Command and RemoteCmd columns. I found another link - since lost - that says to configure app command for FF to be Media_fast_Forward, which it looks like it was reset. Was going in and out of there a few times. I also just noticed a "reset rate" command. Wonder if I can set that to Media_play also...

That worked. So much happier when things work. biggrin.gif
Now I just need to figure out how to stop the movie and exit back to media browser

So this provides smooth >> ? Have you tried to do << ?

Take a look here too.
post #2197 of 2912
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

So this provides smooth >> ? Have you tried to do << ?

Take a look here too.
Was here also. It helped fill in some of the gaps in my knowledge. And I do have exiting implemented without issue.
Not sure how much the FF is really doing at this point. Although this could have more to do with my set up. I am pulling the typically large mkv from a network share. When I FFx2 it seems a little faster, but FFx4 does not seem any different from x2. Network shouldn't be the issue. It's going from htpc -> gig switch -> gig switch -> media PC. Do you have any experience with this?
post #2198 of 2912
I've been using the skip forward and backward commands but I set this up a couple years ago and never looked back. Changes to MPC-HC may have brought true FF and REW but I've been watching the change logs and haven't seen it yet.
post #2199 of 2912
Anything new to report, JayMPSU?
post #2200 of 2912
I can't use srt subtitles with the setup described in the op. Help please.
post #2201 of 2912
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by H3avyM3tal View Post

I can't use srt subtitles with the setup described in the op. Help please.
so you mean srt subs seperate from the file?
rename it so it matches the filename of the movie file.
post #2202 of 2912
^That's a no go. Tried it. names are identical. Evrytime I drop the sub file onto the playing video, I get the cannot render the file...
post #2203 of 2912
Thread Starter 
you just need it in the same directory, dont drag it in the player.
it should work, i just tested it.

make sure you installed xysubfilter and not xyvsfilter. also, make sure you're using madvr.
Edited by MlNDBOMB - 8/16/13 at 4:44pm
post #2204 of 2912
I did a reset to mpc hc and went through the op again. Did the same and now it works. Weird.

Thanks for helping smile.gif
post #2205 of 2912
1080i50 content doesn't play back smoothly anymore :/

Everything else seems to work fine - anything progressively scanned, and 1080i60 (with IVTC) but I have some PAL TV shows which are 1080i at 50Hz and I get constant dropped frames (such that you can definitely notice stuttering when watching them). I'm using ReClock with my monitor at 50Hz and in fullscreen exclusive mode. GPU usage is usually at or below 50%, so it doesn't seem like it can't keep up.

The only thing I've changed since I remember it working properly is having updated anything with an update available - MPC (stable versions), LAV filters, and madVR. Any tips for diagnosis?
post #2206 of 2912
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Originally Posted by 3dward View Post

1080i50 content doesn't play back smoothly anymore :/

Everything else seems to work fine - anything progressively scanned, and 1080i60 (with IVTC) but I have some PAL TV shows which are 1080i at 50Hz and I get constant dropped frames (such that you can definitely notice stuttering when watching them). I'm using ReClock with my monitor at 50Hz and in fullscreen exclusive mode. GPU usage is usually at or below 50%, so it doesn't seem like it can't keep up.

The only thing I've changed since I remember it working properly is having updated anything with an update available - MPC (stable versions), LAV filters, and madVR. Any tips for diagnosis?

Use madVR's smooth motion. It works great on this stuff.
post #2207 of 2912
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Use madVR's smooth motion. It works great on this stuff.
But why can't it just play back smoothly anyway? It always used to, without having to use madVR's smooth motion.
post #2208 of 2912
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Use madVR's smooth motion. It works great on this stuff.
But why can't it just play back smoothly anyway? It always used to, without having to use madVR's smooth motion.

It never did for me until madVR 0.86 with smooth motion came about.
post #2209 of 2912
Thread Starter 
smooth motion won't help him if his monitor is already at 50hz.
Press ctrl+j, look at the queues and see if one is running near empty.
post #2210 of 2912
Oops. Missed that important information.
post #2211 of 2912
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

smooth motion won't help him if his monitor is already at 50hz.
Press ctrl+j, look at the queues and see if one is running near empty.
Ah, that too tongue.gif

Presumably I'm looking at the first number? The present queue usually seems to be at 0-4 / 4 or 1-4 / 4 whereas the others are closer to full, more like 3 or 4 minimum, though they're out of 8. So, presuming I'm reading these right, the present queue is often running near or at empty.
post #2212 of 2912
Thread Starter 
hmm, try "use a seperate device for presentation" in the madvr general rendering settings.
also, look at your stats and see if any of the times listed for rendering or deinterlacing seem high.
post #2213 of 2912
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

hmm, try "use a seperate device for presentation" in the madvr general rendering settings.
also, look at your stats and see if any of the times listed for rendering or deinterlacing seem high.
That's already checked. The average stats don't look very high, but then again I don't know what's normal. About 3-3.5 for deinterlace and 7-7.5 for rendering seems to be around what I see, but if I look underneath at max stats there are times like 60 or 80ms listed. But then if I play back 1080p24 video I see high max stats as well, but without the dropped frames and stuttering.
post #2214 of 2912
Thread Starter 
then try with it unchecked. The fact that the decoder queue is fine means it is not a problem with lav video, it is likely something in the madvr settings.
post #2215 of 2912
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

then try with it unchecked. The fact that the decoder queue is fine means it is not a problem with lav video, it is likely something in the madvr settings.
Seems to make no change when unchecked. Getting a similar amount of dropped frames. frown.gif

e: hmm, it seems that switching to film mode deinterlacing fixes things. But I didn't think these were shows I should be using IVTC with (and madVR automatically detected video mode). I get "film mode, cadence 2:2" once switching it on, but it seems to play back smoothly and without any dropped frames.
Edited by 3dward - 8/17/13 at 3:09pm
post #2216 of 2912
What's the default renderer in MPC-HC?
What's the default decoder?
What are the default splitters if any?

Media Foundation and ffdshow are decoders right? Do I need to install MF or ffdshow (if I don't already have them)? Which one is the better?

What's the difference between EVR and EVR custom pres.? Which is the better one?

Do I only need decoder and renderer or I need splitter too?
post #2217 of 2912
MPC's default filters are:

- MPC Matroska Source (for MKV)
- MPC Video Decoder (for H.264, progressive VC-1, and MPEG-2)
- EVR Custom Presenter

Media Foundation is a Windows video playback framework, that is supposed to replace DirectShow (MPC-HC uses it), according to Microsoft. But nobody follows MS for several reasons. smile.gif You will need all three: a source splitter filter, a video/audio decoder and a video/audio renderer. Install LAV Filters, that covers source splitter filters and decoders for most formats. As for video renderer, use madVR, or EVR if your graphics card is not powerful enough (e.g. HD 5450, 6450, GT 610). For audio renderer, Windows default one or ReClock.
post #2218 of 2912
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

MPC's default filters are:

- MPC Matroska Source (for MKV)
- MPC Video Decoder (for H.264, progressive VC-1, and MPEG-2)
- EVR Custom Presenter

Media Foundation is a Windows video playback framework, that is supposed to replace DirectShow (MPC-HC uses it), according to Microsoft. But nobody follows MS for several reasons. smile.gif You will need all three: a source splitter filter, a video/audio decoder and a video/audio renderer. Install LAV Filters, that covers source splitter filters and decoders for most formats. As for video renderer, use madVR, or EVR if your graphics card is not powerful enough (e.g. HD 5450, 6450, GT 610). For audio renderer, Windows default one or ReClock.

From what I understand (heard people's opinions) there's no big difference (if any) between madVR or EVR (btw what's the difference between EVR and EVR cp, and which is better).. So I will keep that one I guess. So renderer is there.

Next is that source splitter filter.. Do I not have it already? Is LAV better than my default/current?

And the last thing is video/audio decoder.. and the question is similar.. Can I not use ffdshow (which I believe covers both Audio and Video) instead ?

Does MPC HC use MF or DS? Sorry, didnt get that one :P And if MPC HC uses DirectShow, I should have ffdshow as well or do I? This is too hard to understand.. I thought ffdshow is built into DS..
post #2219 of 2912
We don't know what you have but MF that comes with Windows won't split an mkv.

renethx has led you in the right direction. Take a look at the first post in this thread as it will show you how to do it.
post #2220 of 2912
Difference. There is no to big difference depending on the content and settings.

LAV source splitter is better.

ffdshow is actually decoder + post-processors. LAV is better as a pure video/audio decoder.

MPC-HC and most media players use DS. ffdshow, LAV, madVR are all DS filters.
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