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post #691 of 1906
2/3/12 at 11:30am
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find out what splitter is being used.

if it isnt lav splitter, block it.
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post #692 of 1906
2/4/12 at 1:50pm
splitter is lav splitter. checked in filter- movie- properties
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post #693 of 1906
2/4/12 at 2:45pm
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im unclear on what type of file this is.

at any rate, you should be able to use lav splitter to choose the audio track and subtitle track you want. you can access it through the madvr icon iirc
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post #694 of 1906
2/4/12 at 6:50pm
MINDBOMB, I've seen that you have Zacate build.
I haven't played with LAV + madVR lately, but last time I've checked, Zacate hasn't been able to power madVR in 1080p.

Have something changed with LAV DXWA2 option (although it's not native DXVA)?

Have you managed to get Zacate working with madVR?

Tnx.
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post #695 of 1906
2/4/12 at 8:43pm
It's a MPEG4 AVC, AVCHD Video file. It's Dolby Digital 5.0 and 5.1. English and Swedish audio. I have everything checked off in the decoder but still no sound or subs.
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post #696 of 1906
2/4/12 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by mtosic View Post

Have you managed to get Zacate working with madVR?

No, but hardware decoding with lav video is nice with EVR Custom Presenter at least.

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Originally Posted by plew View Post

It's a MPEG4 AVC, AVCHD Video file. It's Dolby Digital 5.0 and 5.1. English and Swedish audio. I have everything checked off in the decoder but still no sound or subs.

so what filters are in use?

have you tried using the madvr tray icon > media player classic home cinema, to choose tracks?
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post #697 of 1906
2/5/12 at 4:19am
awesome guide, MlNDBOMB thank you for your time making this thread.
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post #698 of 1906
2/6/12 at 6:11am
Hello I'm a newbie here. my question is how do i setup Mad in simple terms? I have tried reading most of the post here but the more i read the more lost i become.the pix of what it should look like aren't the same as what i have when i open them. my LAV filter setup page is different it's newer i think. most of what is said about gpu is for the Nvidia. the pc is AMD fx8150 Asus mobo 8gb of Ram FXF HD6870 gpu and a Asus sound card. tv is a Panasonic 50" plasma.

any input will be greatly appreciated
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post #699 of 1906
2/6/12 at 6:32am
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select dxva copy back for hardware decoder.

and if you made it that far, you are pretty much done, since you can skip the madvr config for weak gpus section.

then it is just audio and subtitles, which are pretty straight forward.

You don't need to do the dvd error workaround if you don't plan on using mpc hc to watch full dvds with menus and such.
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post #700 of 1906
2/6/12 at 8:28am
Background:

I have my system up and running pretty much to my liking but am having occasional tearing in the upper 1/4 of the screen. I am running an i3 Clarksdale with the built-in Intel graphics and Win7 x86. I have an older version of LAV audio running for HD audio output to my receiver and am using one of MPC-HC's video decoders (EVR I think, not home right now). Typically I'm of the mindset of it isn't broken, don't fix it and have been tolerating this because it doesn't manifest itself too often.

Quick Questions..


Does LAV video require a discrete graphics card?
Does LAV video solve this problem?

Thanks..
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post #701 of 1906
2/6/12 at 8:47am
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tearing sounds like a renderer problem rather than a video decoder problem.

you have a clarksdale, so i dont think i can recommend madvr, but perhaps try evr cp with d3d fullscreen mode checked in options, output.

also, goes without saying almost, but never hurts to have the latest intel drivers and latest mpc hc
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post #702 of 1906
2/6/12 at 8:55am
Just came across this and I was just reading the same thing in regard to setting the renderer. Guess I need to fiddle with that some more and update my LAV Audio to the current version as I am using 0.29, I believe. I think my MPC-HC is the current release (not the Beta that just came out last week or so). There has been issues in the past where the intel drivers actually caused more issues than they solved so I haven't updated those since early last Summer. Has this changed?

I didn't realize that MadVR is synonomous with LAV Video.. Are they the same thing? If so, I did know that a discrete video card is neccesary to use it.
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post #703 of 1906
2/6/12 at 9:02am
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here is how it typically works, as i understand it:
lets say you are playing an mkv with h264 video.

the splitter takes the h264 video out of the mkv, and gives it to the video decoder.
the video decoder decodes the h264, gives the raw product to the renderer.
the renderer does the upscaling and some processing, and sends that to your display.

Lav video is a video decoder with good performance, and compatibility with lots of video types.

MadVR is a renderer known for its high quality.
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post #704 of 1906
2/6/12 at 9:14am
So maybe I could use LAV Video decoder with the i3 on-board graphics then?

I am pretty satisfied with the quality of the video for the most part but am thinking of getting a G430 Sparkle Card eventually as I can see the occassional skips to re-sync the video frame rate. It is just that I don't really have the time to tinker with hardware installation and the corresponding software configuration so I'm okay with it.

The tearing isn't even that bad but if I can address that with some software tweeks then I'm good with it..
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post #705 of 1906
2/6/12 at 9:37am
I have the Sparkle GT430 (superb passive cooled card by the way) and I use LAV, ffdshow, MadVR and Reclock to excellent effect. Setting things up is relatively straightforward and I used the Homecinema-HD guide although you need to ignore certain parts of it (like MPC-HC 2.0 if you don't use headphones; Autofrequency if you use MadVR version) to suit your particular requirements.

You could easily get away with just LAV + MadVR + Reclock if you wanted to but the Reclock magic is what finally gave me judder free playback. To implement MadVR should take you 30 minutes and Reclock about the same. Both can easily be disabled so returning to your previous setup is not a problem. As regards the NVidia drivers it depends on whether you use Recorded TV within WMC. The latest driver 286.62 caused a loss of picture in WMC so stick with nothing newer than 280.26 - most of the updates relate to games anyway.
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post #706 of 1906
2/6/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Heuer View Post

I have the Sparkle GT430 (superb passive cooled card by the way) and I use LAV, ffdshow, MadVR and Reclock to excellent effect. Setting things up is relatively straightforward and I used the Homecinema-HD guide although you need to ignore certain parts of it (like MPC-HC 2.0 if you don't use headphones; Autofrequency if you use MadVR version) to suit your particular requirements.

You could easily get away with just LAV + MadVR + Reclock if you wanted to but the Reclock magic is what finally gave me judder free playback. To implement MadVR should take you 30 minutes and Reclock about the same. Both can easily be disabled so returning to your previous setup is not a problem. As regards the NVidia drivers it depends on whether you use Recorded TV within WMC. The latest driver 286.62 caused a loss of picture in WMC so stick with nothing newer than 280.26 - most of the updates relate to games anyway.

Glad to see you are having great success with it. I should give that a whirl eventually given the time. For several months now I've been just happy to not be tinkering at all but rather just enjoying my HTPC. But maybe now is the time to tinker some more..

BTW, can you pick your driver to d/l from NVidia's web site?
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post #707 of 1906
2/6/12 at 9:53am
Yes, Nvidia have all the drivers going back to 2010. Avoid the beta ones and pick a WHQL one: http://www.nvidia.com/download/find.aspx
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post #708 of 1906
2/6/12 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

So maybe I could use LAV Video decoder with the i3 on-board graphics then?

you can.
lav video can use intel clearvideo on clarksdale via dxva2 copyback mode, or you can just have your cpu do the decoding, cause a core i3 is plenty fast for that.

but the issue isnt with the video decoder, it seems like an issue somewhere else.


Do you have aero turned off for some reason? that can cause the problem.

simply turning on d3d fullscreen mode in mpc hc may fix the issue, you don't have to use a new video decoder
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post #709 of 1906
2/6/12 at 10:56am
aero(view?) is on.

I'm going to check and/or change the renderer settings later on today when I get home from work.
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post #710 of 1906
2/6/12 at 7:14pm
Im having a hard time playing some 1080i content. Alot of stuttering so I decided to turn off the deinterlacer in ffdshow and its somewhat better. Dropping a bunch of frames there and then. Plays perfect though in VLC. any suggestions?

Specs: (laptop)

Intel T6600 2.2ghz
Nvidia GT220m (basically an 8600m)
4gigs ram
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post #711 of 1906
2/6/12 at 9:25pm
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so, presumably, you are using cuvid for both decoding and deinterlacing with madvr?

try these things:
disable desktop composition in fullscreen mode in madvr
bilinear scaling in madvr
lower cuvid deinterlacing quality in lav video (select 25/30p)
overclock gpu

if all of these fail, select evr custom presenter as the video renderer
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post #712 of 1906
2/7/12 at 5:32am
Got rid of the tearing by fiddling with the render settings. Thanks!!
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post #713 of 1906
2/7/12 at 7:12am
MINDBOMB: This link seems to be dead or I am redirected. I am still getting the microvision error after installing the most recent ffdshow and following your installation instructions for DVD play.

DVD Macrovision Error Workaround

Install ffdshow from http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffds...eric%20builds/
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post #714 of 1906
2/7/12 at 9:23am
Would changing to another renderer like evr provide any pq diffs? I know its a renderer but lots of folks have preferred madvr
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post #715 of 1906
2/7/12 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by Postmoderndesign View Post

MINDBOMB: This link seems to be dead or I am redirected. I am still getting the microvision error after installing the most recent ffdshow and following your installation instructions for DVD play.

the link works for me, don't just copy and paste the text, follow the actual link. It is ffdshow audio processor that you have to use btw, not ffdshow audio decoder.




@pokekevin
yes. the renderer IS the source of picture quality differences basically.

though, playing something smoothly trumps having the utmost image quality, so if you don't have the performance for madvr, your hands are tied, and you have to use evr cp.
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post #716 of 1906
2/7/12 at 10:34am
MINDBOMB: yes the link is OK, my bad. I did add the ffdshow audio processor and not the audio decoder. Like you I want to keep it simple and I have not tried Renethx's solution or the other suggestions.

I still get the microvision error. I will just continue to play DVDs with PowerDVD hardware acceleration which probably gives me better video quality than MPC-HC for DVDs. However, MPC-HC plays .mkv and blu-ray discs fine.
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post #717 of 1906
2/7/12 at 1:28pm
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right, so, just to be clear, you do mean macrovision error, right?

Try this, remove ffdshow audio processor and microsoft dtv-dvd video decoder.

Add ffdshow video decoder at the end of your external filters list, and set it to prefer. Double click on ffdshow video decoder, go to codecs, and next to mpeg2, select libavcodec as the decoder, and make sure dvd decoding is checked at the bottom.

Hmm, this is renethx's original solution, and now that I think about it, it is better than mine, I'll add it to the original post.
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post #718 of 1906
2/7/12 at 2:27pm
Nifty! DVD's now play with MPC-HC. PowerDVD Ultra 11 with hardware acceleration has less grain and better video quality. But your and Renethx's solution works fine.
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post #719 of 1906
2/8/12 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

The quickest fix for Macrovision error is use ffdshow video decoder for MPEG-2 (any of libavcodec, libmpeg2, Intel QuickSync is ok; make sure to check "DVD decoding"). I am not sure why this easy solution has been ignored.

You can still use WMVideo Decoder DMO or Intel QuickSync for VC-1, and LAV Video Decoder (or whatever) for AVC.

@MlNDBOMB

Can you add the following two solutions to Macrovison error in op?

1 (Simplest): Use ffdshow video decoder for MPEG-2 with "DVD decoding" checked.

2: Download Windows XP's DVD Navigator somewhere and replace Windows 7's with it. Then use a MPEG-2 video decoder supporting DVD Navigator (ffdshow video decoder with "DVD decoding" checked, Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder etc.; note that LAV Video Decoder does not support DVD Navigator). Read also this post.

So I set MPHCv3886 to use ffdshow video decoder(with DVD decoding checked)....since that then replaces Lav Video decoder
how do you get quality de-interlacer like CUVID?

....use YADIF?

So how do you get a setting for de-interlacing just for DVDs
ie doesnt affect avc/vc-1?(which use CUVID)

also CUVID allows for frame doubling...anyway to get that as well?
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post #720 of 1906
2/8/12 at 1:02pm
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madvr .80 supports hardware deinterlacing, so you can deinterlace through the renderer.
you arent forced to deinterlace through the decoder anymore.
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