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post #91 of 1917
9/3/11 at 12:11pm
Yes, the picture quality gains of course will be almost neglible when you are watching 720p/1080i/1080p on a modern 1080p TV. But when you are watching SD videos then the improvements start to show up, also if you have calibrated your TV with a meter you can gain the added picture quality benefit of enabling YCMS with MadVR to get better accuracy on color gamuts and grayscale.

I personally use MPC-HC/PotPlayer + Lav Filters (Lav audio + Lav video + Lav splitter) + ffdshow audio processor/ffdshow raw video filter (for down mixing to 3.1 speakers and 2.0 speaker and to do YADIF software deinterlacing + deband) + Reclock to get the best experience possible. Once everything is setup, you don't really have to "tinker" with anything. I mean you can update the software when updates are released if you want to gain some added features or fix some bugs, but this is the same with most computer software.
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post #92 of 1917
9/3/11 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Great info. So it seems like the possible pq improvement may be a secondary gain which is interesting.

Yeah, I consider the automatic refresh rate change a "must have" for my particular setup as my TV accepts pretty much everything. Unfortunately though my AVR doesn't, most notably it only accepts 24.000 rather than 23.976. I don't have SPIDF so I can't bypass it. So, I'm considering whether reclock would be a worthwhile tinker. Any opinions?
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post #93 of 1917
9/3/11 at 12:44pm
I agree with JMGNYC.

In the last month I went from MPC-HC using MadVR, LAV splitter, LAV audio, and ffdshow video with deinterlacing on a
Core Duo 7400 computer with a Radeon 4670 to a Yamaha HTR6060 HDMI 1.1 AVR to a Panasonic 58inch plasma

Then I replaced the Radeon 4670 with an Asus 440 1GB Gddr5 and started using LAV Cuvid insead of ffdshow video. IMO I got easily recognizable improvement in video quality.

Then I replaced the Yamaha AVR with a Pioneer VSX-31 1.4 HDMI AVR. I started bitstreaming. The audio quality improved. Also, the Pioneer has a video processor and IMO the video got even better.
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post #94 of 1917
9/3/11 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

Yes, the picture quality gains of course will be almost neglible when you are watching 720p/1080i/1080p on a modern 1080p TV. But when you are watching SD videos then the improvements start to show up, also if you have calibrated your TV with a meter you can gain the added picture quality benefit of enabling YCMS with MadVR to get better accuracy on color gamuts and grayscale.

I personally use MPC-HC/PotPlayer + Lav Filters (Lav audio + Lav video + Lav splitter) + ffdshow audio processor/ffdshow raw video filter (for down mixing to 3.1 speakers and 2.0 speaker and to do YADIF software deinterlacing + deband) + Reclock to get the best experience possible. Once everything is setup, you don't really have to "tinker" with anything. I mean you can update the software when updates are released if you want to gain some added features or fix some bugs, but this is the same with most computer software.

Holy crap.

Now those are some settings.
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post #95 of 1917
9/3/11 at 12:49pm
IMO 1080 improved for std and blu-ray. I have a 7.1 sound system.

I took reclock off my system. It was a problem.
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post #96 of 1917
9/3/11 at 1:10pm
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IMO 1080 improved for std and blu-ray. I have a 7.1 sound system.

I took reclock off my system. It was a problem.

What problems did you have with reclock?
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post #97 of 1917
9/3/11 at 1:35pm
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Sure there are downsides.

Why add a discrete video card, extra cost, extra heat, and extra noise if there is little or possibly even no gain?

I am not disparaging but trying to find the truth here.

As mentioned please post some comparison shots to prove it is better and I will go away. Otherwise people should be offered the truth and not just told blindly that something is better because you say so.

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I am working on a LAV + MADVR + MPC-HC +/- CUDA guide.

I will let you know when it is finished...

?????
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post #98 of 1917
9/3/11 at 1:55pm
i would like to ask something all you PQ experts

if my display is already calibrated in sRGB,
and it can handle 0-255, and its bitdepth is 8bit Or higher.

which are the optimal madvr settings for my setup?
calibration :
the display is calibrated to the following primaries/gamut: ?
the display is calibrated to the following transfer function /gamma:?
color & gamma:
enable gamma processing : checked or unchecked?
desired display gamma/tranfer funtion:?

p.s. i would like some infos about these settings ,too
not just "do that" answers
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post #99 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by Andy_Steb View Post

?????

I finished a very basic guide a few months ago. Its over at my blog.

Discrete cards run against my basic principle of how I personally use a HTPC. Now that I know you might be able to use the hd3000 I may have to revisit it.
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post #100 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I finished a very basic guide a few months ago. Its over at my blog.

Discrete cards run against my basic principle of how I personally use a HTPC. Now that I know you might be able to use the hd3000 I may have to revisit it.

assassin llano is a better option.
Amd motherboards are cheaper & 6xxx amd cards are stronger.

i think the pentium g/i3 with an nvidia dGPU will be cheaper than i5 with HD3000 iGPU
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post #101 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by Tony_Montana View Post

assassin llano is better option.
Amd,motherboards are cheaper & 6xxx amd cards are stronger

CPU is pretty weak though. Its easier to upgrade video card in the future than CPU.

I don't think either is the clear cut winner. I have also seen no objective evidence that the Llano video is better than the Intel's for regular 1080p playback. Gaming is a different story.
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post #102 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:24pm
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CPU is pretty weak though. Its easier to upgrade video card in the future than CPU.

I don't think either is the clear cut winner. I have also seen no objective evidence that the Llano video is better than the Intel's for regular 1080p playback. Gaming is a different story.

you said that you want to test hd3000 cause of MAdVR
amd 6550 are stronger than hd3000.
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post #103 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by Tony_Montana View Post

you said that you want to test hd3000 cause of MAdVR
amd 6550 are stronger than hd3000.

Absolutely. No doubt about that.

I just worry about the CPU. It would be worthwhile to test both.
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post #104 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:31pm
If i had written this guide again: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152520, i would have mentioned lav filters and MadVr.
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post #105 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by ricabullah View Post

If i had written this guide again: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152520, i would have mentioned lav filters and MadVr.

Very nice.

Care to update it?
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post #106 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Absolutely. No doubt about that.

I just worry about the CPU. It would be worthwhile to test both.


assassin we both know that all these advanced HTPC conversations are overestimated.

even a zacate build with proper handling and some simple settings can play everything pretty fine
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post #107 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:39pm
I started having multiple problems after the installation of reclock. In the end even uninstalling reclock did not fix the problems. Reclock may not have been the problem but only happened to coincide with the beginning of a host of problems. I could not pin down causality. I ended up getting the ASUS 440 and the new AVR.

Others have reported problems with reclock and media center live TV and DVR. Check for posts.

I have developed a visceral hate for reclock.

Some report that reclock helps them.

Be warned! Be afraid, very afraid!
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post #108 of 1917
9/3/11 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Very nice.

Care to update it?

Do i care; no, i don't think so: my latest update was at the end of the May 2010.
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post #109 of 1917
9/3/11 at 3:03pm
Guys we use this ironic adage here: "if you dont know swimming, do not try to climb on a tree."
An HTPC is never a play-stop stuff and will never be.
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post #110 of 1917
9/3/11 at 3:20pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tony_Montana View Post

i would like to ask something all you PQ experts

if my display is already calibrated in sRGB,
and it can handle 0-255, and its bitdepth is 8bit Or higher.

which are the optimal madvr settings for my setup?
calibration :
the display is calibrated to the following primaries/gamut: ?
the display is calibrated to the following transfer function /gamma:?
color & gamma:
enable gamma processing : checked or unchecked?
desired display gamma/tranfer funtion:?

p.s. i would like some infos about these settings ,too
not just "do that" answers

im not really sure how that section works. umm, your best bet is to search the doom9 thread for answers
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post #111 of 1917
9/4/11 at 12:40pm
Ok here are my results with mpht + lav + madvr using the guide mostly (not using reclock) displayed on a 50inch sammy 720 DLP. It does look better. Hard to place why but picture looks more stable. I have a few ripps that get jaggedies on vertical lines and they went away or become much less using this set up. I am going to set this upto default. BTW have a i7 920 so power not a problem.
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post #112 of 1917
9/4/11 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post
Ok here are my results with mpht + lav + madvr using the guide mostly (not using reclock) displayed on a 50inch sammy 720 DLP. It does look better. Hard to place why but picture looks more stable. I have a few ripps that get jaggedies on vertical lines and they went away or become much less using this set up. I am going to set this upto default. BTW have a i7 920 so power not a problem.
What were you using before as a comparison?
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post #113 of 1917
9/4/11 at 1:55pm
I just ran the batch file to install madvr with admin rights but I cant seem to get it to show up as an option in MPC. Any clues?

Thanks!
-Kevin
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post #114 of 1917
9/4/11 at 2:03pm
Thread Starter 
try running it without admin rights, for some reason that has helped ppl before.

also, make sure you are using a 32 bit version of mpc hc.

you may have to restart mpc hc after you run the install file for madvr.
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post #115 of 1917
9/4/11 at 4:04pm
Congrats on the sticky! Well deserved!
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post #116 of 1917
9/4/11 at 4:26pm
Thread Starter 
thanks.
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post #117 of 1917
9/4/11 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by Tony_Montana View Post

i would like to ask something all you PQ experts

if my display is already calibrated in sRGB,
and it can handle 0-255, and its bitdepth is 8bit Or higher.

which are the optimal madvr settings for my setup?
calibration :
the display is calibrated to the following primaries/gamut: ?
the display is calibrated to the following transfer function /gamma:?
color & gamma:
enable gamma processing : checked or unchecked?
desired display gamma/tranfer funtion:?

p.s. i would like some infos about these settings ,too
not just "do that" answers

will somebody answer me ?
i am bored to make new accounts

finally this is sticky, congrats due!

p.s. mindrop please it says advanced. Updated it, plz.

Updated it as it was, and explain some things about madvr if you can
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post #118 of 1917
9/4/11 at 5:28pm
Thread Starter 
tony, i have looked into it a little.
If you calibrated your tv to hd video standards, that would be bt 709. the other 2 standards in that category apparently are for sd video.

source:
the primaries section on http://www.glennchan.info/articles/t...olor-space.htm

as for gamma, i am not sure, it seems like 2.2 is a very common value to calibrate to, but i am unsure of the difference between the gamma curves.

I think a good place to ask question would be the display calibration section of avsforums
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post #119 of 1917
9/4/11 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by MlNDBOMB View Post

Why no mention of lav cuvid or dxva? Well, I wanted to focus on just one method that works with the greatest amount of videos as well as worked on the greatest amount of hardware (ie not specific to nvidia graphics cards).

Any chances of adding an appendix to the guide, for people with nVidia cards who do want to maximise the abilities of their cards?
And who also want the best picture quality possible?
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post #120 of 1917
9/5/11 at 4:45am
Thread Starter 
it will make no pq difference for progressive videos, but I can more or less just tell you how to add lav cuvid in a sentence or two.
After you finished following the guide, install lav cuvid (make sure you are using recent nvidia drivers). Then go to options, external filters in mpc hc, add lav cuvid, and put it higher than wmvideo decoder and lav video decoder (there are up/down buttons on the side).
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