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post #241 of 281
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

No, missing the point. It is that the challenge was to solve something and they solved it wrong. They were rewarded for failing to solve it. Getting gas, getting lost, calling for help, etc. has nothing to do with the challenge. So anyone could skip all the challenges from now on, jump in a cab and ask the cabbie to call others/dispatch to see where other teams are going.

Point is, they failed at the challenge, they should not be given a free pass for failing to do what is required.

They were rewarded for figuring out a way to get the taxi drivers to communicate and to get another team to give up the correct answer.

What's wrong with that? That's great game play.

We don't know exactly what went down between the teams and the taxi drivers, but I don't even see how that matters. Their taxi driver provided to be a great resource.

And to answer your question, yes, a team can just skip a task if another team gives them the answer/next destination.

I think your issue here should be with Jeremy and Sandy. They were in the lead and either let their taxi driver give important competitive information to other teams or actually instructed him to provide that information. Either way, bad game play on their part. They should have made sure that their driver didn't tell the other drivers where they were going. As I mentioned earlier, the teams had to think the snowboarders were ahead and the last of that group of 3 teams would be eliminated. Perhaps Jeremy and Sandy weren't confident they were going to the right place and figured they better all team up and figure out where to go.

We really only saw a small piece of what transpired there.
post #242 of 281
The collaborating Cabbies is a little different than the usual case of getting assistance or help from locals. For some reason, I think the cabbies should be given a destination to drive to. In this case, two drivers completely disregarded the instructions given to them from their fares, and went to completely different destinations. Sometimes the Amazing Race is a victim of its own success - people follow around the world and get caught up in the race, which is what happened with these taxi drivers. In the early years, the drivers would have just driven to the place that their customers told them to.
post #243 of 281
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

No, missing the point. It is that the challenge was to solve something and they solved it wrong. They were rewarded for failing to solve it. Getting gas, getting lost, calling for help, etc. has nothing to do with the challenge. So anyone could skip all the challenges from now on, jump in a cab and ask the cabbie to call others/dispatch to see where other teams are going.

Point is, they failed at the challenge, they should not be given a free pass for failing to do what is required.

If the producers wanted the challenged to be structured the way you say they could have done it. They did it for the first task of the challenge. The teams had to guess who Tin Tin was and who they were before they could get the next clue. The producers clearly did not want it that way so they did not fail the challenge. The challenge was to get to end and three teams got there.
post #244 of 281
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

The collaborating Cabbies is a little different than the usual case of getting assistance or help from locals. For some reason, I think the cabbies should be given a destination to drive to. In this case, two drivers completely disregarded the instructions given to them from their fares, and went to completely different destinations. Sometimes the Amazing Race is a victim of its own success - people follow around the world and get caught up in the race, which is what happened with these taxi drivers. In the early years, the drivers would have just driven to the place that their customers told them to.


How is it different when the cab drivers are given a location, and end up getting a team lost? The only difference is the cabbies took the contestants to the right place instead of the wrong one.
post #245 of 281
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Originally Posted by spid View Post

How is it different when the cab drivers are given a location, and end up getting a team lost? The only difference is the cabbies took the contestants to the right place instead of the wrong one.

Not a huge deal to me, I was just giving my thoughts on it. But since you ask, the difference is that getting lost is an unintentional error. These drivers intentionally went to a different destination from what they were instructed to do - in essence, solving the clue for the contestants. For me, cab drivers shouldn't really be such an active part of a team. I think they should be more along the lines of "tell me where you want to go, I'll do my best." Not "Hey, you guys told me to go to the wrong place. You actually want to go to wherever"
post #246 of 281
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

Not a huge deal to me, I was just giving my thoughts on it. But since you ask, the difference is that getting lost is an unintentional error. These drivers intentionally went to a different destination from what they were instructed to do - in essence, solving the clue for the contestants. For me, cab drivers shouldn't really be such an active part of a team. I think they should be more along the lines of "tell me where you want to go, I'll do my best." Not "Hey, you guys told me to go to the wrong place. You actually want to go to wherever"


For me what your describing seems at odds with how the show is set up. Cab drivers are a wildcard for each journey. Almost every time some one enters a cab they tell the guy we are in a race go fast. Cabs have always been an unofficial part of the team for each leg. For me the only difference it worked in favor for some teams this leg. Marcus and Amari could have just have easily been eliminated due to their cab driver's mistake earlier.
post #247 of 281
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

I personally would like to see taxis taken out of the equation and all road travel be by the teams themselves. This way it takes out the good vs bad cabbie problem and puts the race solely in the competitor's hands.

You can't read a map or made a wrong turn? Oh well, at least you only have yourself to blame.

I can sympathize with that from a game play point of view, but I'd sure hate to be a contestant that had to take on the legal liabilities for driving around in some of the countries that they go to on AR.

I'm actually surprised they had them driving around in Japan (last season?). That wreck they had could have been really bad and even as minor as it was it must have cost someone at least a couple of grand.
post #248 of 281
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

Not a huge deal to me, I was just giving my thoughts on it. But since you ask, the difference is that getting lost is an unintentional error. These drivers intentionally went to a different destination from what they were instructed to do - in essence, solving the clue for the contestants.

So then are you against teams getting help from people on the street? I don't see how that's any different than getting help from a taxi driver.
post #249 of 281
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

.... These drivers intentionally went to a different destination from what they were instructed to do ...

I wonder if that's what actually happened, or if the other two teams actually told their cabbies "yeah go ahead and go where they're going" but those instructions ended up on the editing room floor. It seems a little weird to me that a cabbie would just take off on his own without at least getting an "OK" from his fare, otherwise they might refuse to pay. But, I guess we'll never know.

Either way, I'm fine with it. It seems to be within the rules that AR has established and thus I chock it up to good and/or just plain lucky gamesmanship.

Anyway, in general, it seemed like they downplayed the physical challenges and did a lot more "camouflaging" of clue-boxes and race-flags this season. I think I prefered it a little more than this way.
post #250 of 281
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

I can sympathize with that from a game play point of view, but I'd sure hate to be a contestant that had to take on the legal liabilities for driving around in some of the countries that they go to on AR.

I'm actually surprised they had them driving around in Japan (last season?). That wreck they had could have been really bad and even as minor as it was it must have cost someone at least a couple of grand.

And they used to let them drive in African countries, but quickly stopped that due to safety issues.

God help TAR contestants if they ever require them to drive in India.
post #251 of 281
Hey guys, you are harping on me for something which I have said isn't really a big deal to me. I was just pointing out something that I noticed.

Anyways, in response to whether this is different from getting help from locals on the street? Yes!!! Usually when the get help from locals, it is to find a destination which the teams already know.

In this case, the specific challenge was to figure out what the next destination point was. That was the challenge - they were to watch the dancers, observe what they were wearing, and figure out the destination. Two of the teams didn't really complete the challenge, their drivers completed it for them.
post #252 of 281
No, the challenge was to get to the next destination.

If the producers wanted the challenge for the teams to be solve the "puzzle", they would have had someone there requesting the teams give them the answer before they could leave.
post #253 of 281
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

IIRC, they were the team who got eliminated at the LA River before the first plane flight, and they were local, so they'd incurred no expense to anyone to get to the starting location. They were also self-employed and didn't want to take the time from their livelihoods when it wouldn't have any hope of paying off. If they'd been in another city and quit, they'd probably have been told to pay their own way home.

I think I remember that team. If it were me I think I'd have gone ahead and taken the vacation anyway since they had already budgeted the time with scant odds of winning. IIRC, they seemed pretty disillusioned to be out that quickly so maybe they weren't feeling the TAR love at that point and just decided to go home because of it?


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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

I personally would like to see taxis taken out of the equation and all road travel be by the teams themselves. This way it takes out the good vs bad cabbie problem and puts the race solely in the competitor's hands.

You can't read a map or made a wrong turn? Oh well, at least you only have yourself to blame.

Other than the liability issue, it would probably severely ball up the race from a time standpoint too much and then they'd have a logistical nightmare of trying to find a way to provide cars for them all over the place too. I understand the feeling as well but the element of chance, randomness and unexpected good/bad fortune has always been a pretty big factor in TAR.


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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

Sometimes the Amazing Race is a victim of its own success - people follow around the world and get caught up in the race, which is what happened with these taxi drivers. In the early years, the drivers would have just driven to the place that their customers told them to.

I think this is very true. If "consulting cabbies" were to become a giant issue I imagine the producers would figure some way to combat it if they wanted to though.


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post #254 of 281
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

Sometimes the Amazing Race is a victim of its own success - people follow around the world and get caught up in the race, which is what happened with these taxi drivers. In the early years, the drivers would have just driven to the place that their customers told them to.

That was my take on it as well .. the cabbies sucked themselves into the game ..
post #255 of 281
At least the Panama Cab Drivers were smart enough to understand they were in a "race" or game show.
post #256 of 281
I went back and rewatched the epsiode since I wasn't paying real close attention the first time to the cab kerfuffle and noticed a couple of interesting things.

The cabbies actually also worked together on identifying the rooster obelisk earlier in the day.

Then regarding directions, Amari actually said "follow that cab". It wasn't clear which cab it was. but Cindy and Earnie left first and then Jeremy and Sandy and finally Amari and Marcus, so I'm guessing it was Jeremy and Sandy that she said to follow. So Amari and Marcus might have gone to the right place even without the cabbies working together if they were following Jeremy and Sandy.

Then after Cindy and Ernie's cabbie said that the other cabbie knew where to go, Cindy half-halfheartedly says "OK" while Ernie babbles inane nonsense over her. So a (weak) case could be made that they approved the change of destinations.

I'm still stunned that the cabbie recognized the ruins from that lame sketch of Jeremy's. It looked like every spanish mission style ruins I've ever seen. If I'd been the cabbie I'd probably have taken them to the closest Taco Bell.
post #257 of 281
Whew! Thank god Marcus Pollard choked and lost! Although, I have to say, it was fun to have a villain to cheer against in the finals. Marcus' problem in the final was that when he was hesitant about flying, he should have said Amari should be the pilot, he be the co. I suspect they would have finished MUCH sooner if they went that way. But I guess his ego ERR football/Super Bowl analogies wouldn't allow for that so he had to spend hours choking at the helm.

Funny that the 2nd place team lost because they should have realized when the guy said The Dump used to be a Home Depot that it wasn't the "Former residence" indicated in the clue. But Jeremy and Sandy ran a good race though.

All in all, fun season to watch, very happy with who actually won.
post #258 of 281
As someone who lives on the East coast and can't stand the incredibly annoying TV commercials for "The Dump" I was cracking up when I saw them running around in a furniture store.

I don't think the final 3 teams finished that close to each other, of course they try to make it look close between 1st place and 2nd place... Has there ever been a finish as close as in Season 2(I think it was)? It was literally a sprint to the finish line and the girl on one team couldn't run anymore so the other team passed them like 100 feet from the finish line?
post #259 of 281
good season - didn't care too much for Ernie and Cindy especially after their comments last night about how they should win because they are smart.
post #260 of 281
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Originally Posted by jim tressler View Post

good season - didn't care too much for Ernie and Cindy especially after their comments last night about how they should win because they are smart.

But it wasn't their commments, it was her comments. I don't think he ever said he was smart (look at the final challenge, he was supposed to be helping, but did nothing), she's the smart one and I'm guessing her family puts big expectations on her.

I am wondering if, implicit in those comments, was some kind of validation for her parents that he is worthy of being with her daughter. If there is some issue like that in her family, somehow I'm doubting that validation was given because it did look like she carried that team.
post #261 of 281
Cast me for a vote for a reunion show for The Amazing Race, although I'd be fine with it airing on a different night. Would love to see unaired footage (just about every season there is a challenge that is unaired, would like to see it and another fun moments that didn't make the air) and some discussion between teams.

This season, would have been interesting to see the teams asked if they would have treated Marcus and Amari differently if they picked up on that Marcus Pollard was a successful NFL player who has made more than $10M in his career. The teams that sat around early on at that one airport (maybe it was LAX?) and figured out that Ethan and Jenna were both survivor winners seemed to notice that, although that team didn't last long enough to see if more would have played out because of it, i.e. teams not helping Ethan and Jenna because they know they won survivor (and hence, both won $1M each).

Also, would love to see Phil rip into the sailor team's dad for not relying on/listening to his son. The dad deserved to get ripped for that.
post #262 of 281
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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post

But it wasn't their commments, it was her comments. I don't think he ever said he was smart (look at the final challenge, he was supposed to be helping, but did nothing), she's the smart one and I'm guessing her family puts big expectations on her.

I am wondering if, implicit in those comments, was some kind of validation for her parents that he is worthy of being with her daughter. If there is some issue like that in her family, somehow I'm doubting that validation was given because it did look like she carried that team.

Yeah, it seemed to me that she has issues with her family and there were hints along the way that her family thinks that Ernie is beneath her.

I think that's why she was doing so much posturing.
post #263 of 281
Being an old fart, I had a nice giggle at the typewriter challenge.

I'm just barely old enough that typewriters were still the primary means of writing college papers. In another five years, they were almost completely gone.

Trying to find the "1" key and having keys get stuck together brought back a lot of (bad) memories.

They're lucky they didn't have to have the page perfectly squared with exact margins. I wonder if any of them would have discovered the trick of how to square up the paper on their own.

And it would have been really brutal to grade them on striking all the keys with the same force so that the darkness was consistent.
post #264 of 281
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Yes, it was poetic justice that Marcus' big mouth and huge ego (not Amani though, she played the supporting wife role beautifully and looked like a much better person that her trash-talking hubby) got his team beaten in his own home turf that provided zero advantage in the end. BTW, huge slam agaist Peyton Manning out of nowhere when Marcus mentioned Amani was better than any QB he has ever played with. Not Peyton's year, hope he wasn't watching and got teary-eyed... and yes, I'm talking about the Cowboys-Giants game, not the "TAR" season finale.

Cindy is kind-of stand-offish and semi-diva when allowed to hug the spotlight, but when she's together with Ernie they make a cute couple. Glad they caught a break and won but I would have also been happy if Jeremy/Sandy had won. They got lucky Jeremy apparently plays Microsoft Flight Simulator at the office constantly and nailed the simulated landing on the first take with 20 minutes of gain on Ernie/Cindy (based on what Cindy said on-camera about the cabbies waiting). Too bad that civilian misled them with 'The Dump' and allowed Ernie/Cindy a chance to pull way ahead. Basically it was 'anybody but Marcus' and, as a result, a good time was had by all. Overall it was a nice season with a (mostly) likable cast. It was nice for a chance to not have outright 'bad' or 'evil' teams to root against (Marcus came the closest but he never rose above celebrity buffoon) as most of the civilians were just nice people to hang out with and watch compete. Something tells me 'the boys' are going to end up being the Tim Teabow of this season; people just seem to gravitate toward nice young people that thank God for everything good in their lives.
post #265 of 281
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

Too bad that civilian misled them with 'The Dump' and allowed Ernie/Cindy a chance to pull way ahead.

I would argue Jeremy and Sandy screwed themselves over. Sure the local didn't know what he was talking about, but the clue said "Former residence known as the Dump." When the local said something about The Dump being a former "Home Depot," Jeremy and Sandy should have realized that former Home Depot does not equal "Former residence" and that the guy didn't know the answer they needed and that they should have asked someone else.
post #266 of 281
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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post

I would argue Jeremy and Sandy screwed themselves over. Sure the local didn't know what he was talking about, but the clue said "Former residence known as the Dump." When the local said something about The Dump being a former "Home Depot," Jeremy and Sandy should have realized that former Home Depot does not equal "Former residence" and that the guy didn't know the answer they needed and that they should have asked someone else.

Yeah, I think the pressure got to them and they just went with the first thing they came up with.

Jeremy seemed to realize the mistake after they were already at "The Dump" since he kept repeating "the residence" but at that point they were committed to fully searching the area.

Like we said last week, we knew that the matchup was really close and that a single mistake was going to make the difference.

Heck I'm still not sure how Cindy and Ernie came up with search terms to solve the Hank Aaron riddle. I'm old enough that I was alive when Hank set his record, but out of context like that, those numbers didn't mean anything to me.

I wonder if TAR producers performed a little SEO magic and juiced up that combination of numbers to produce the correct result from Google.
post #267 of 281
I Googled "44 715 74 atlanta" last night and the first hit was a Wiki on Hank Aaron ..
post #268 of 281
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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post


I am wondering if, implicit in those comments, was some kind of validation for her parents that he is worthy of being with her daughter. If there is some issue like that in her family, somehow I'm doubting that validation was given because it did look like she carried that team.

Folks with an Oriental family tree tend to all be very demanding of their American born offspring ..
post #269 of 281
not being a pilot or a flight sim gamer, I kept wondering what Marcus was doing wrong .. it looked like his landings were OK but then the plane veered off the runway .. ???

I was not a big Marcus fan, although Amani seemed like a great wife / person ..

My main beef on him was the constant reminders of his pro ball backgound .. everything had to be framed in that context ..
post #270 of 281
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Folks with an Oriental family tree tend to all be very demanding of their American born offspring ..

That's what I was getting at, just didn't want people to think I am racist. I suspect her family doesn't have an issue with him being white, but rather, as I guess, she is much more educated than him and they think he's a dope. That's why I laughed when Cindy made a comment about proving that they work together as a team. I gotta think her family thinks she carried him throughout the race and nothing was proved about their teamwork to her family.

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it looked like his landings were OK but then the plane veered off the runway .. ???

If you re-watch his landing, they were VERY rough and I think their approach was off which lead to the veering off the runway. I also wonder if they were coming in too fast because it sure looked like it, and that would have fell on Amari. My beef is if Marcus realized before going in that he may not do well, he should have let Amari be the pilot and he be the co. But I think his ego would never allow that, and, thus, in that respect, they deserved not to win.
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