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post #121 of 2471
11/17/11 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by moneypitt View Post

Ok this is what YPAO set them at:

Center: +5.0
Front R&L: 0.0
Right Rear Suround: -7.0
Left Rear Suround: -9.0
Suround Back: -3.5
Subwoofer: -10

The sub looks like the cause of the W-3 warning, because -10 is the maximum adjustment possible (and presumably YPAO really needed more). So turn down the sub's own volume knob and re-run YPAO (until you get the sub level closer to 0dB).

But there's still a surprisingly wide range of levels among the other speakers. Are the surround speakers much closer to the listening position than the fronts and center? If so, that would explain the surround levels.

Your new center may just be less sensitive than your fronts. If so it's not really a problem, and adjusting the sub should be all you need to do. Can you tell us the exact model of the center and fronts?
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post #122 of 2471
11/17/11 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by moneypitt View Post

Ok this is what YPAO set them at:

Center: +5.0

Front R&L: 0.0

Right Rear Suround: -7.0

Left Rear Suround: -9.0

Suround Back: -3.5

Subwoofer: -10

Thanks for the help.

Moneypitt

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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The sub looks like the cause of the W-3 warning, because -10 is the maximum adjustment possible (and presumably YPAO really needed more). So turn down the sub's own volume knob and re-run YPAO (until you get the sub level closer to 0dB).

But there's still a surprisingly wide range of levels among the other speakers. Are the surround speakers much closer to the listening position than the fronts and center? If so, that would explain the surround levels.

Your new center may just be less sensitive than your fronts. If so it's not really a problem, and adjusting the sub should be all you need to do. Can you tell us the exact model of the center and fronts?

Looks to me like a case of poorly matched speakers in terms of efficiency and maybe response curves too. Re-setting the gain on the sub is a good step but might make the level issues with the surrounds even worse.
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post #123 of 2471
11/17/11 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The sub looks like the cause of the W-3 warning, because -10 is the maximum adjustment possible (and presumably YPAO really needed more). So turn down the sub's own volume knob and re-run YPAO (until you get the sub level closer to 0dB).

But there's still a surprisingly wide range of levels among the other speakers. Are the surround speakers much closer to the listening position than the fronts and center? If so, that would explain the surround levels.

Yes the surounds are about 5 to 6 feet from the couch and the fronts are about 13 feet from the couch

Your new center may just be less sensitive than your fronts. If so it's not really a problem, and adjusting the sub should be all you need to do. Can you tell us the exact model of the center and fronts?

I am in the process of upgrading my fronts, center, and sub. I just got my new center and am getting the matching fronts (Polk RTi A7) as soon as funds allow. Currant speakers are as follows.

Fronts:Pro Acoustics PRS-CC555-IW in wall speakers
http://www.proacousticsusa.com/produ...l.php?pId=2372

Center: Polk CSi-A6
http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/r...?s=rtia7#csia6


Rear Surounds:Pro Acoustics PRS-IW8300 in wall speakers
http://www.proacousticsusa.com/produ...l.php?pId=4031

Sub: Yamaha YST-SW105
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio..._u/?mode=model
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post #124 of 2471
11/21/11 at 1:05am
This is probably a stupid question, but I was looking thru the 1010 manual online and I did not notice eq graphs as an output in the manual after running YPAO. They only had distance, loudness, phase, etc.

Can somebody please confirm output of YPAO can be adjusted manually after running it, including eq? Also, I believe YPAO eq's the sub, but if somebody can confirm I would appreciate it.

I waffling all over the place trying to decide between the 1010, elite vsx-52, marantz sr6006, and denon 2312. Thanks.
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post #125 of 2471
11/21/11 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by JChrisE View Post

...Can somebody please confirm output of YPAO can be adjusted manually after running it, including eq? Also, I believe YPAO eq's the sub, but if somebody can confirm I would appreciate it.

Yes, can adjust everything manually, including the parametric EQ. But the 1010 doesn't EQ the sub (the 2010 and 3010 do).
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post #126 of 2471
11/21/11 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Yes, can adjust everything manually, including the parametric EQ. But the 1010 doesn't EQ the sub (the 2010 and 3010 do).

Whoa, I didn't realize that. Thanks for the info.

Is there something in the xx10 manual that states whether the sub is eq'd? if the 1010 manual stated it I missed it, and that is a little misleading.
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post #127 of 2471
11/21/11 at 8:28am
It doesn't explicitly state this, but when you try to do manual EQ you'll see that you cannot choose the subwoofer. Same if you use the Receiver Manager application for the 1010; the sub is missing from the list of speakers that can be EQed manually (but the subs are there for the 2010/3010). And it seems that YPAO is not able to do it either, because when you use RM to save all your settings after running YPAO, there's no entry for the sub EQ in the XML file that's created.

But if you can't find a location for your sub where it's OK without EQ, you'd probably be better off with a separate sub equalizer anyway than the limited (1/3 octave) frequencies available to YPAO even on the 2010 and 3010.
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post #128 of 2471
11/21/11 at 11:19am
A very simple sub EQ to use that is pretty effective is the Antimode 8033. Some other EQs are more sophisticated but they are more expensive by a few hundred dollars. There are less expensive options as well, but they are more complicated to implement.

Just something to consider.
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post #129 of 2471
11/23/11 at 4:16am
I got my A2010 last night. It took me quite a while to get AV2 working with Optical 3 - the menus are different to my 5 year old Denon.

I wonder if anyone could help me with some other issues...

1. when I tried to do the YPOA set up, the menus on the TV screen did not respond to the arrows I was pressing on the big remote, yet it looked like the menu option changed on the amps display?

2. I want to put my PS3 optical through the amp, I have the PS3 HDMI cable connected directly to the TV. I have tried to assign Audio 1 to Scene 2, but when I use Scene 2 the amp changes my TV to HDMI 1 (resulting in me seeing the amps wallpaper), even though I had already switched the TV to HDMI 2 (which is where the PS3 is connected).

3. The picture from my satellite box (Sky) is much brighter when pushing it through the amp, can I adjust this?

Could the second issue be connected to the Anynet+ in my Samsung LE40F86BD? Maybe there is some way to turn anynet off in one or both of the devices?

Thanks for any help, I am finding this amp very frustrating to configure!
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post #130 of 2471
11/23/11 at 5:59am
I found these last night. The detail in these reviews is incredible.

RX-A1010: http://www.google.com/translate?lang...rx_a1010.shtml

RX-A3010: http://www.google.com/translate?lang...rx_a3010.shtml

Notice the colors Yamaha sells in Europe.
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post #131 of 2471
12/3/11 at 7:28am
Can anyone tell me the distance between the left and right inputs??
I have a a710

Id like to get tandem banana but I know they make different sizes.

Anyone know??? 3/4?
1?
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post #132 of 2471
12/3/11 at 11:51am
Anyone care to share their preferred settings for watching movies, tv, or music on the 2010?
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post #133 of 2471
12/4/11 at 6:53am
I just received my NAD T955 and the final pair of Thiel speakers to complete the system. All hooked up sounds very good. I tried to run the YPAO to make sure all is well and the system told me I had to assign the power amp?? I have been looking at the destructions, (manual), and can not find how to do this ... anyone have any clue?
Thanks!
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post #134 of 2471
12/5/11 at 5:57am
My first post here so go easy on me. Just got my RX-A3010 receiver and love it with the exception that my the receiver won't play audio from the Sony Blu Ray. I have it connected via HDMI from Blu Ray to receiver and HDMI from receiver to Pioneer plasma TV. I get video no problem but audio doesn't come through. It works with a Coax digital connection but this defeats the purpose of having the TrueHD come through on the receiver. I have set the Sony to 'bitstream' to receiver as well (and have tried many other settings) but to no avail. My DirecTV HR20-700 works just fine via HDMI. Have heard of the 'HDCP' handshake issues but don't know if this is the case or not.

Some more info: I do know that the Sony Blu Ray works fine with my Yamaha YSP-2200 soundbar with HDMI inputs so the Sony Blu Ray bitstream setting must be right (it actually sounds pretty good by the way). Have also tried different Blu Ray player (I have a S570 and S580), different HDMI cables, different input ports, different settings on receiver with same results, no audio. Not sure what else to try. Some have said get a HDMI switch but I really don't want to spend more money as the A3010 was fairly expensive.

Any suggestions or ideas appreciated.
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post #135 of 2471
12/5/11 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by chevyavalanche View Post

Not sure what else to try. Some have said get a HDMI switch but I really don't want to spend more money as the A3010 was fairly expensive.

Any suggestions or ideas appreciated.

I had the same issue with my Sony LCD and 2010. After switching setting back and forth a number of times it started working.
Sorry, I know that's not particularly helpful
On a side note, whoever suggested you buy an HDMI switch to "fix" your brand new $1500 receiver needs a smack in the head. . . . and I always wanted a Chevy Avalanche, until I found put a fully loaded one runs $50k+ lol. Sweet truck.
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post #136 of 2471
12/7/11 at 11:54pm
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Originally Posted by awake33 View Post

The 2010 has the same features and power rating (+2 more channels of power) as the 3000, minus the HDMI video adjustment difference and 4th zone. It even has 3D DSP that the 2000 lacks vs the 3000. Other than that, the 2010 has more features.

Good comparrison between the 2010 and 3000. But what about between the 2010 and the 3010 (besides the power, Zone 4 and the angle calibration). Is there anything else that would make the 3010 a more compelling purchase over the 2010?
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post #137 of 2471
12/8/11 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by chevyavalanche View Post

My first post here so go easy on me. Just got my RX-A3010 receiver and love it with the exception that my the receiver won't play audio from the Sony Blu Ray. I have it connected via HDMI from Blu Ray to receiver and HDMI from receiver to Pioneer plasma TV. I get video no problem but audio doesn't come through. It works with a Coax digital connection but this defeats the purpose of having the TrueHD come through on the receiver. I have set the Sony to 'bitstream' to receiver as well (and have tried many other settings) but to no avail. My DirecTV HR20-700 works just fine via HDMI. Have heard of the 'HDCP' handshake issues but don't know if this is the case or not.

Some more info: I do know that the Sony Blu Ray works fine with my Yamaha YSP-2200 soundbar with HDMI inputs so the Sony Blu Ray bitstream setting must be right (it actually sounds pretty good by the way). Have also tried different Blu Ray player (I have a S570 and S580), different HDMI cables, different input ports, different settings on receiver with same results, no audio. Not sure what else to try. Some have said get a HDMI switch but I really don't want to spend more money as the A3010 was fairly expensive.

Any suggestions or ideas appreciated.

Go into the 3010 "Inputs" menu, or something like that. (I don't have a 3010 but have had a lot of Yamahas...) With the Yamahas, you can select what audio source will play with each input. It's possible that HDMI was removed for audio from that input. If your video input is "HDMI1" make sure audio for that input is also "HDMI1". If not, change it.
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post #138 of 2471
12/8/11 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by chevyavalanche View Post

My first post here so go easy on me. Just got my RX-A3010 receiver and love it with the exception that my the receiver won't play audio from the Sony Blu Ray. I have it connected via HDMI from Blu Ray to receiver and HDMI from receiver to Pioneer plasma TV. I get video no problem but audio doesn't come through. It works with a Coax digital connection but this defeats the purpose of having the TrueHD come through on the receiver. I have set the Sony to 'bitstream' to receiver as well (and have tried many other settings) but to no avail. My DirecTV HR20-700 works just fine via HDMI. Have heard of the 'HDCP' handshake issues but don't know if this is the case or not.

Some more info: I do know that the Sony Blu Ray works fine with my Yamaha YSP-2200 soundbar with HDMI inputs so the Sony Blu Ray bitstream setting must be right (it actually sounds pretty good by the way). Have also tried different Blu Ray player (I have a S570 and S580), different HDMI cables, different input ports, different settings on receiver with same results, no audio. Not sure what else to try. Some have said get a HDMI switch but I really don't want to spend more money as the A3010 was fairly expensive.

Any suggestions or ideas appreciated.

Its definately a setting in the receiver had the same problem and i had to change some setting (I forget sorry), don't worry you shouldnt have to buy anything else...i'll be on tonight messing around with mine if i see the actual place where it is set i'll pm you.
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post #139 of 2471
12/8/11 at 7:49am
I have all my 3D movies residing on my WHS server. PC video 3D setup (Nvidia GeForce GT430) will not work when connected via HDMI through the receiver. Works perfectly connected directly to the TV (LG 55LW6500) with the same cable . So the EDID from the LG works, the EDID from the RX-A810 is a dud. Who is at fault here, Nvidia or Yamaha? Same issue is posted elsewhere with the DirectTV equipment. Is there a Yamaha firmware fix in the works?
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post #140 of 2471
12/8/11 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

Go into the 3010 "Inputs" menu, or something like that. (I don't have a 3010 but have had a lot of Yamahas...) With the Yamahas, you can select what audio source will play with each input. It's possible that HDMI was removed for audio from that input. If your video input is "HDMI1" make sure audio for that input is also "HDMI1". If not, change it.

I'm planning on buying the RX-A1010. My old Pioneer receiver has a "V Select" feature whereby I can listen to audio from any input while simultaneously watching any video input.

This is useful when we want to watch the broadcast tv video of the Eagles pro football games, but listen to the hometown guys doing play-by-play synched to the video and simulcasted over a local FM radio station through the FM tuner.

I haven't been able to find anything in the Yammy manual that even hints at its being able to do this - until your comments.

In your opinion, could this function be carried out through the Inputs menu? I do see on page 93 of the manual that the FM Tuner can be an "Input Source" and then there are 8 possible AV output sources - labeled AV1 through 7, and V-AUX. Or am I misunderstanding?

Appreciate your thoughts.
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post #141 of 2471
12/8/11 at 12:09pm
Will the 1010 do this? I have no idea. Upper level Yamahas have been able to assign your choice of audio and video to each input for a long time now, at least as far back as the RX-V2500. Now, if the 1010 does it, I doubt it's a simple proccess. Does it do it at all? You're going to have to actually look at the menu to find out. It would be nice if you could just select an audio input to listen too while watching a given input. I have no idea if they've incorporated that into the newer models. they should, obviously.

The 3000's scene features are nowhere near as versatile as the older "memory" features on models like the Z-11. Some things are a step forward, some things are a step back. The manual is never enough it seems. You have to dig in and see what each machine is capable of by using it.
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post #142 of 2471
12/8/11 at 2:19pm
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Will the 1010 do this? I have no idea. Upper level Yamahas have been able to assign your choice of audio and video to each input for a long time now, at least as far back as the RX-V2500. Now, if the 1010 does it, I doubt it's a simple proccess. Does it do it at all? You're going to have to actually look at the menu to find out. It would be nice if you could just select an audio input to listen too while watching a given input. I have no idea if they've incorporated that into the newer models. they should, obviously.

The 3000's scene features are nowhere near as versatile as the older "memory" features on models like the Z-11. Some things are a step forward, some things are a step back. The manual is never enough it seems. You have to dig in and see what each machine is capable of by using it.

Some things are a step forward, some things are a step back.

That was the exact same thought I had when I raised this question with a Crutchfield rep. before I found that Page 93 info after reading your post. He didn't think mixing audio/video inputs/outputs was possible due to the RX's internal wiring/switching complexities related to HDMI issues, but he wasn't sure either. If I do buy this RX it'll be an interesting little experiment.

On the other hand, the way the Eagles have been playing this year, it won't be much of a loss if we can't do it.

Thanks for your quick response.
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post #143 of 2471
12/8/11 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by BuTal63 View Post

I'm planning on buying the RX-A1010. My old Pioneer receiver has a "V Select" feature whereby I can listen to audio from any input while simultaneously watching any video input.

This is useful when we want to watch the broadcast tv video of the Eagles pro football games, but listen to the hometown guys doing play-by-play synched to the video and simulcasted over a local FM radio station through the FM tuner.

This was a basic feature on old Yamahas, then it was removed a few years ago (leaving only some limited workarounds to mix some audio and video sources).

But on the 1010 it's back, at least in some form. See the Video Out setting in the Input menu (page 95). You can set any video source to play when you select audio from the tuner, or a network or USB source. So you'll be able to watch TV while listening to the radio. This is new on this year's models.
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post #144 of 2471
12/9/11 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

This was a basic feature on old Yamahas, then it was removed a few years ago (leaving only some limited workarounds to mix some audio and video sources).

But on the 1010 it's back, at least in some form. See the Video Out setting in the Input menu (page 95). You can set any video source to play when you select audio from the tuner, or a network or USB source. So you'll be able to watch TV while listening to the radio. This is new on this year's models.

Thanks very much!

I did read that information in the manual after kirnak pointed me to it, but I wasn't sure I was interpreting it correctly. You've explained it and it's what I wanted to hear.

Just sounds like it's not quite as convenient as my old Pio. Looks like you have to go into the menu and set the audio source to work with the video source you desire. With the Pio there is a dedicated V Select button on the remote. You just pick whatever audio source you want, then hit the V Select button to switch through all the active video inputs to choose what you want.

Oh well. "Something" is always better than "nothing." Glad now that I decided not to take a deal on last year's Aventage models, although it really gripes me that the latest Aventage units are all "mysteriously" being sold at - or within a few dollars of - the exact same price by all the authorized dealers. No mystery really.

Much appreciated.
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post #145 of 2471
12/10/11 at 11:55am
I know this has been asked and answered to some degree, but I can't find the information. So ...
Which, if any, of the Aventage models have the ability to apply equalization to the subwoofer?

I had a Behringer Feedback Destroyer (BFD) in my system which recently died. Since I've been looking to replace my receiver for several months now, this is prompting me to finally pull the trigger and I'm thinking about going with an all-in-one option instead of replacing the BFD (plus the effort of getting it set up).
So, I'm wondering which Aventage models provide any room correction for the subwoofer.
And, can anyone describe the nature of what Aventage provides in this regard?

Thanks,


Mitch
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post #146 of 2471
12/10/11 at 1:17pm
The two highest models (2010/3010) have sub EQ, and they use parametric EQ like the BFD but they don't have as much control over the filter frequencies. You can set 4 filters per sub, but only with 1/3 octave resolution starting at 31.3Hz (so approx 31, 39, 50, 63Hz etc.). If your BFD filters were not set close to the standard 1/3 octave frequencies, then you won't be able to get the same result.
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post #147 of 2471
12/11/11 at 8:19am
Thanks for the tips and replies. As it turns out, it wasn't any setting that needed changing. The unit was defective per Yamaha tech support. A new A3010 was sent to me and it works great! TrueHD and DTS-MA comes through and sounds fantastic.
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post #148 of 2471
12/11/11 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The two highest models (2010/3010) have sub EQ, and they use parametric EQ like the BFD but they don't have as much control over the filter frequencies. You can set 4 filters per sub, but only with 1/3 octave resolution starting at 31.3Hz (so approx 31, 39, 50, 63Hz etc.). If your BFD filters were not set close to the standard 1/3 octave frequencies, then you won't be able to get the same result.

Thanks for the info.


Mitch
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post #149 of 2471
12/14/11 at 2:45pm
I will be picking up my Aventage RX-A3010 on 12/16/11 and looking forward to setting it up and getting it dialed in.

My other 2 Yamaha's are HTR-5250 and the ever reliable RX-V1800. Both have been great A/V units for me and I wanted to stick with the Yamaha line since it has been very solid for me over the years.

I will be active in this thread trying to get the most out of the 3010 and I am pretty newbish when it comes to Audio.

Has someone set up a actual "owners" thread for the 3010,2010,1010? or is this it? Those seem to be more closely related. Then maybe a thread for the 710 / 810? I dunno...

I am looking forward to any and all help you people can give me to get this bad boy rocking. Mainly using for Home Theatre.
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post #150 of 2471
12/14/11 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by Gamester5 View Post

I will be picking up my Aventage RX-A3010 on 12/16/11 and looking forward to setting it up and getting it dialed in.

My other 2 Yamaha's are HTR-5250 and the ever reliable RX-V1800. Both have been great A/V units for me and I wanted to stick with the Yamaha line since it has been very solid for me over the years.

I will be active in this thread trying to get the most out of the 3010 and I am pretty newbish when it comes to Audio.

Has someone set up a actual "owners" thread for the 3010,2010,1010? or is this it? Those seem to be more closely related. Then maybe a thread for the 710 / 810? I dunno...

I am looking forward to any and all help you people can give me to get this bad boy rocking. Mainly using for Home Theatre.


From what I can tell, and by using the search function, this is the "Official Owners" thread for the 710 through the 3010.

Early in the thread someone mentioned separating out the 1010, 2010, and the 3010 but never did.

Congrats on your 3010, I just picked up my 1010 a couple of days ago and will be looking to get all I can out of it too.

I think these receivers are still so new that there still are not many owners yet. This thread is still small enough that it would not be that impractical to start a thread for the top three. I don't know that much about the 810 and 710 to know if they fit in with the other three or not.

I for one will be interested in seeing you report back on how it all goes.

Regards,

RTROSE
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