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post #1201 of 2479
Thanks for the replies folks. I pulled the trigger on a A3010. I hope it will arrive next week. Now off to earn some money for the height speakers...
post #1202 of 2479
I'm trying to decide on the purchase of either an RX-A1010 or RX-A2010.

Currently, i'm running an RX-V1400 (110w x 7) into the following:

Fronts - B&W DM602 S2 (25-120w)

Center - B&W LCR600 S2 (25-150W)

Surround x 4 - B&W DM600 S2 (25-100W)

All stated wattages listed above are pulled from the B&W owners manuals- stated as 'recommended amplifier power into 8 ohm speakers'.

With that in mind, i see that the RX-A1010 @ 110w x 7 would be fairly equivalent to my old RX-V1400. However, i'm interested in the additional power and features in the RX-A2010 @ 140w x 7. Does anyone have an opinion over whether the 2010 would be overpowered for this set of speakers?

Thanks!
post #1203 of 2479
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Originally Posted by phatkash View Post

I'm trying to decide on the purchase of either an RX-A1010 or RX-A2010.

Currently, i'm running an RX-V1400 (110w x 7) into the following:

Fronts - B&W DM602 S2 (25-120w)

Center - B&W LCR600 S2 (25-150W)

Surround x 4 - B&W DM600 S2 (25-100W)

All stated wattages listed above are pulled from the B&W owners manuals- stated as 'recommended amplifier power into 8 ohm speakers'.

With that in mind, i see that the RX-A1010 @ 110w x 7 would be fairly equivalent to my old RX-V1400. However, i'm interested in the additional power and features in the RX-A2010 @ 140w x 7. Does anyone have an opinion over whether the 2010 would be overpowered for this set of speakers?

Thanks!

You will be fine with the 2010 and it's output for those speakers.
post #1204 of 2479
This is going to sound like a dopey question however....

When using the RX-A710 in a bi-amp configuration does it matter which amp you use to which part of of the speaker?

Does it make any difference or is the output on both the fronts and rears/bi-amps going to be exactly the same?
post #1205 of 2479
The output to both sets of speaker terminals in a bi-amp configuration is going to be the same.
post #1206 of 2479
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

The output to both sets of speaker terminals in a bi-amp configuration is going to be the same.

So how much of a difference will the bi-amping do? Is there greater separation in the sound...greater detail, more noticeable power?
post #1207 of 2479
My understanding behind the theory of bi-amping is that only really makes sense when it replaces the passive crossover in the speakers with an active crossover in the amplifer. It's a lot easier to make an active crossover behave like it actually should.

In theory you can get some benefit from bi-amping without an active crossover. You should be able to get some extra volume out of your receiver without running into distortion because you now got two amplifers powering one speaker. Even in theory it won't make that much a difference though because doubling the power only turns into a 3 dB increase in perceived volume, and the power won't even be doubled because the power requirements of the mid and high aren't the same. The receiver's power supply also limits how much extra power you can have driving your speakers.

But that's the theory, in practice bi-amping is something I've never tried.
post #1208 of 2479
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Originally Posted by rantzmar View Post

So how much of a difference will the bi-amping do? Is there greater separation in the sound...greater detail, more noticeable power?

I tried it...didn't do anything for greater separation in the sound...greater detail, more noticeable power!
post #1209 of 2479
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

My understanding behind the theory of bi-amping is that only really makes sense when it replaces the passive crossover in the speakers with an active crossover in the amplifer. It's a lot easier to make an active crossover behave like it actually should.

In theory you can get some benefit from bi-amping without an active crossover. You should be able to get some extra volume out of your receiver without running into distortion because you now got two amplifers powering one speaker. Even in theory it won't make that much a difference though because doubling the power only turns into a 3 dB increase in perceived volume, and the power won't even be doubled because the power requirements of the mid and high aren't the same. The receiver's power supply also limits how much extra power you can have driving your speakers.

But that's the theory, in practice bi-amping is something I've never tried.

Im more use to bi-amping in two channel audio....not in home theater.
post #1210 of 2479
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Originally Posted by gce View Post

I tried it...didn't do anything for greater separation in the sound...greater detail, more noticeable power!

When you tried it, did you notice a difference in anything?
post #1211 of 2479
Thanks, venomous for your input.

2010 on the way instead!
post #1212 of 2479
There is probably an embarrassingly simple solution to this. I set up my new 2010 last night, everything went well until I ran YPAO and cannot get it to see may Hsu subwoofer. Tried both sub outs on the back of the 2010, sub frequency at max, volume at half, tried going into manual setup and changing sub to "use", still nothing, I am hoping this is a simple setup glitch and not a "dead" sub output. If it makes any difference I have a standard 7.1 system w/o presence speakers.
post #1213 of 2479
Make sure the power is not set to "Auto" it needs to be "On"
post #1214 of 2479
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Originally Posted by rantzmar View Post

When you tried it, did you notice a difference in anything?

Not really and I wanted to hear a difference but it just didn't happen. And I had it bi-amped for awhile.
post #1215 of 2479
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Originally Posted by Rustolem View Post

Make sure the power is not set to "Auto" it needs to be "On"

+1

I had the same thing happen with my Hsu and the A2010. After YPAO is complete set the Hsu back to "Auto."
post #1216 of 2479
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Originally Posted by bpstr5 View Post

There is probably an embarrassingly simple solution to this. I set up my new 2010 last night, everything went well until I ran YPAO and cannot get it to see may Hsu subwoofer. Tried both sub outs on the back of the 2010, sub frequency at max, volume at half, tried going into manual setup and changing sub to "use", still nothing

Double check that you're actually using the top subwoofer pre-out, it's the just to the left of the center pre-out jack which is the right most of all the analogue audio jacks. It's easy to accidentally use the subwoofer multichannel input instead.

Also if YPAO configures your speakers to be all large or you do this manually then your subwoofer won't normally be used unless you're playing a source with an explicit LFE channel (the .1 in 7.1). Try setting your speakers to small and see if that gets your subwoofer working.
post #1217 of 2479
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Double check that you're actually using the top subwoofer pre-out, it's the just to the left of the center pre-out jack which is the right most of all the analogue audio jacks. It's easy to accidentally use the subwoofer multichannel input instead.

Also if YPAO configures your speakers to be all large or you do this manually then your subwoofer won't normally be used unless you're playing a source with an explicit LFE channel (the .1 in 7.1). Try setting your speakers to small and see if that gets your subwoofer working.

I will try all your kind suggestions tonight, I did try setting the sub to "on" and will double check for the proper jack when I get home from work, that sounds likely to be the problem.
post #1218 of 2479
I just checked the pdf diagram on pg 146 of the 2010 manual and see that I was indeed attempting to use the multi ch input, duh, I guess I saw the "subwoofer" there and looked no further. After work I will sneak into the theater, sheepishly change to the correct jack, rerun YPAO, and pretend like this never happened. Thanks one and all.
post #1219 of 2479
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Originally Posted by phatkash View Post

Thanks, venomous for your input.

2010 on the way instead!

Good choice! Generally underpowered amps are more dangerous than overpowered ones, assuming you don't turn a higher powered one up too high.
post #1220 of 2479
Is anyone here using Front Presence Speakers with the RX-AX010?

If yes, do you really hear an improvement on sound/effects by adding these extra set of speakers?

Are you forced to use them with Cinema DSP 3D? Or, can you use them with Straight (HD Audio)?

I will appreciate your input.
post #1221 of 2479
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Is anyone here using Front Presence Speakers with the RX-AX010?

If yes, do you really hear an improvement on sound/effects by adding these extra set of speakers?

Are you forced to use them with Cinema DSP 3D? Or, can you use them with Straight (HD Audio)?

I will appreciate your input.

You have to use yamahas dsp for them to function. If you mount the speakers high and wide, they do a good job bringing sound to the front stage.
post #1222 of 2479
Quote:
Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Is anyone here using Front Presence Speakers with the RX-AX010?

If yes, do you really hear an improvement on sound/effects by adding these extra set of speakers?

Are you forced to use them with Cinema DSP 3D? Or, can you use them with Straight (HD Audio)?

I will appreciate your input.

I recently have added front heights using the 1010 and the sound stage has improved. At first I wasn't too fond of having to use a dsp mode but I like it now.
post #1223 of 2479
Thanks for the input on Bi-amping

Ok wanted to try it solely for music using pure direct and from what I can tell bi-wiring is a complete waste of time, was more interested in sound quality rather than pushing the amp to its limits.

may go back to a 7.1 config now

cheers
post #1224 of 2479
My current NAD T765 is a bit long in the tooth & I'm looking for a replacement. Currently NAD only offers a 7 channel AVR. The T765 is incredible sounding with 2 channel listening. I like what I've read about the 3010 & it seems like a "fun" receiver for all the digital options it gives you. I'd hate to pick up the Yammie & be dissapointed with it's 2 channel performance but then again I have to wonder if my worries are ill founded. The 3010 would be used in tandom with my Rotel RMB-1095 multi channel amp. The 9.2 setup intrigues me the most. Any thoughts or suggestions. Thanks
post #1225 of 2479
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Originally Posted by pearsall001 View Post

My current NAD T765 is a bit long in the tooth & I'm looking for a replacement. Currently NAD only offers a 7 channel AVR. The T765 is incredible sounding with 2 channel listening. I like what I've read about the 3010 & it seems like a "fun" receiver for all the digital options it gives you. I'd hate to pick up the Yammie & be dissapointed with it's 2 channel performance but then again I have to wonder if my worries are ill founded. The 3010 would be used in tandom with my Rotel RMB-1095 multi channel amp. The 9.2 setup intrigues me the most. Any thoughts or suggestions. Thanks

Well Yamaha is no NAD in the sound dept. from auditions I've had, NAD's push a warm sound out. The 3010 does have really good 2 channel listening in pure direct mode. I've been happy with the performance both with and without an external amp. Granted, my amp is a emotiva but I don't class Rotel high on my list anyhow.

I think you would enjoy the 3010 in every aspect.
post #1226 of 2479
Quote:
Originally Posted by pearsall001 View Post

My current NAD T765 is a bit long in the tooth & I'm looking for a replacement. Currently NAD only offers a 7 channel AVR. The T765 is incredible sounding with 2 channel listening. I like what I've read about the 3010 & it seems like a "fun" receiver for all the digital options it gives you. I'd hate to pick up the Yammie & be dissapointed with it's 2 channel performance but then again I have to wonder if my worries are ill founded. The 3010 would be used in tandom with my Rotel RMB-1095 multi channel amp. The 9.2 setup intrigues me the most. Any thoughts or suggestions. Thanks

If you're going to combine the RX-A3010 and a 5 channel power amp, you surely owe it too yourself to try running that combo in the [full] 11.x configuration!
post #1227 of 2479
For those using th Yamaha app, it was updated today both on iOS and android. New music search feature and something with the am/fm tuner.
post #1228 of 2479
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

If you're going to combine the RX-A3010 and a 5 channel power amp, you surely owe it too yourself to try running that combo in the [full] 11.x configuration!

It's the speakers that kill you for this setup. I had to cheap out and add two pairs of omd5s to make it to 11.2 to mate with my 7.1 paradigm studios.
post #1229 of 2479
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

It's the speakers that kill you for this setup. I had to cheap out and add two pairs of omd5s to make it to 11.2 to mate with my 7.1 paradigm studios.

I've tried to espouse a strategy of buying speakers only at deeply discounted prices, effectively in advance of need. So I actually already own 22 acoustically and visually matched speakers that I could use to implement the full Hamasaki 22.2 configuration, although they are currently in use spread across three systems . . . and that layout does seem a little extreme without a larger dedicated theater?!

But I hope we'll have the opportunity to try a 'slightly smaller' configuration sometime in the next few years . . . perhaps something similar to the Auro-3D 13.1(6) speaker layout...?

In contemplation of that happening, I do have 14 speakers 'committed' for one of my systems, i.e., either already installed or presently boxed. [Instead of a single Top Center (TpC) speaker directly overhead, I'm planning to try a 'dual mono' Top Side Left|Right (TpSiL|TpSiR) surround speaker pair 'cross firing 50%+50% from both side walls at ceiling level'--something like the height channel delivery mechanism employed in the "Alternate Telarc SACD 6.0 Height Playback Layout" (link).]
post #1230 of 2479
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

You have to use yamahas dsp for them to function. If you mount the speakers high and wide, they do a good job bringing sound to the front stage.

Thanks Venomous! My ceiling is 9', so I guess that should work. Now, "wide" is a different conversation due to I'm planning to use in-wall speakers and the stairs run on a portion of the back wall. So, best I can do will probably install them right above my front speakers with a 7' separation. Is that enough?
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