The "official" Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A710/810/1010/2010/3010 thread - Page 43

Best bet is to look at the new RX-V models for your clues, the RX-A models are very likely going to follow suit.

No real advantage at all, but the industry has decided this is the next "must-have" gimmick that will lure people into buying hardware. As such, all the video chips are implementing 4K scaling in their next generation chips. As a feature it only allows you to scale video input for 4K output. You of course need a 4K display to use it. Good luck with that.

On top of the 4k gimmick, hdmi 1.4a spec can't do full duplex 4k anyhow... So people buying 4k tv's, 4k receivers and 4k transports are getting duked right now because all of them have hdmi 1.4. It's like the whole madness for 3d and refresh rates all over again. Hell we are years off from any 4k content anyhow lol.

I'm not sure how it works with Windows Home Server, but on Window 7 you need to ensure that your media library is shared. Start Windows Media Player on your server and from the library view select "Stream -> Automatically allow devices to play my media...". The media you see in the library under Music should now be visible on your receiver.

If you don't see any music when running Windows Media Player locally on your server then you need to add the directory where you store your music to the Music library.

Thanks for the info on the 4k stuff guys. That is pretty much what I assumed, but always better to double check. The only thing I am seeing on the new models that I am interested in (possibly) is the HDMI matrix. I must admit, I don't see an immediate use for this in my system, but I am sure I can come up with something That was one feature that I know I didn't need immediately, but for some reason it was bugging me that the 2010 did not have it. I guess I will have to wait for official specs from Yamaha, but I think at this point I will be saving money on either a 2010, or stepping up to a 3010 once the new units come out.

Sean

I have the Onkyo 807 before too!
The network seems pretty picky than Onkyo; make sure you have enabled all the subfolders to everyone too.

Found it:
http://forum.wegotserved.com/index.p...ndex-database/

I'm not sure if I'm posting this question in the right place?

I just got an Yamaha RX-2010. One connection issue that I need help with is how to run a signal from a Denon AVR-4308ci to the Yamaha RX-2010 which will be played via Zones 2 and 3 on the Yamaha. What output is best to use on the Denon and what input do I use on the Yamaha?

What I'm going to be doing is inputing a signal from a media player to the Denon, playing it on the Denon, then sending that same signal to the Yamaha in another room to play in the zones.

Maybe there's an easy way to do this? Thanks

Connect the Denon's VCR or DVR out to one of the Yamaha's AUDIO1-4 inputs using a standard stereo analogue cable.

You could also use the Denon's Zone 2 or Zone 3 outputs, but as these are pre outs, not line outs, the volume would be controlled by both receivers. This can both be confusing and cause problems if the Denon's volume is set too high. There may be a way to configure the Denon's zone 2 or 3 output to use a fixed volume, effectively making it a line level output.

Any news of an AirPlay firmware update? If this were not to happen I would be seriously let down by Yamaha abandoning its flagship unit during it's shelf time (I have a 3010).

It would be unusual for a receiver manufacturer to add a feature like this through a firmware update. Generally speaking they only add new features to new models. Denon is the only company to have added AirPlay to its receivers through a firmware update, and they had to charge money for it. Apple doesn't let companies implement AirPlay in their products for free.

Yahama did add subscription services like Napster and Pandora through free firmware updates, but unlike with AirPlay the situation is reversed. These companies probably actually had to pay Yamaha to get their services on to Yamaha's receivers.

Whatever. I own an Apple TV, so it's not as if I need this for me to enjoy AirPlay's benefits. It's a matter of principle. Yamaha hasn't even replaced their flagship unit and it's adding features to entry level models that are forever precluded from their current flagship with no logical reason save for "suck it up, that's the way it is". Receivers are computers nowadays, they can be upgraded and, in the case of flagship models I expect them to be if at all possible. As I doubt that Yamaha or any other manufacturer expects people to change receiver on a yearly basis, much as they'd like that to happen.

It's not my task to plan for technology introduction in their line of products but this is a seriously messed up decision if ever there was one. And the fact that a competitor has been able to provide the upgrade proves that it could be done. And Denon kept the update free for months, before charging for it.

Well, as a matter principle you were sold a product with a clearly specficified list of features which didn't include AirPlay. To expect Yamaha to provide you a new feature as if you are owed it as a matter of course is completely unreasonable. If you wanted a receiver with AirPlay built-in you shouldn't have bought a 2011 Yamaha.

Yamaha is in middle of rolling out its 2012 receivers and its remaining 2011 models are on their way out. The lower end models come out first so its these models that get the new features first. It may be fustrating see newer lower-end models with new features your soon too be obsolete high-end receiver doesn't have, but that's how technology has always worked.

I'm not going tell you to just "suck it up". If you want complain to Yamaha about this go right ahead, no one is stopping you. If you think its Yamaha that's being completely unreasonable here then you should never buy their products ever again. Just don't expect a lot of sympathy.


They promised to but changed their minds in the end.

To add to that Ross.... I suspect Airplay isn't free for the manufacturer.

Denon required registration and MAC addresses to add this feature (and it was done through the Feature Upgrade menu selection, not as a firmware update.....)

This would lead me to suspect that there is indeed some kind of licensing or royalty per product sold / upgraded.

Yamaha has no such infrastructure in place in their AVR designs.....

I wouldn't hold my breath on the 20xx/30xx getting anairplay upgrade. The xx20s will, but I would be surprised if they offer it to the older avr's. Remember, yammy couldn't even remove the volume bar off the 2000/3000s.

That was going to be my next post(volume bar). One of the reasons I purchased my 2010 shortly after its release was because I wanted to have Yamaha's latest offering for a while before the new models would come out. This hobby will drive you crazy if you always want the latest. Unfortunately we as the consumers have to use some fore thought before our purchases, because this hobby is like trying to hit a fast moving target. I waited at least two years before my purchase just trying to make sure I got everything I thought I might need for the next few years. So far so good, but we will see what the new models have to offer and if I'll be envious. Whatever the case, I'll be keeping my AVR for at least five years. Hell, it might take me that long to figure out/use all of the features that I have. This baby is loaded and I'm still discovering new things every few weeks.

Well I ended up picking up a RX-A2010 yesterday!!! I am excited to have some new HT gear for a change! Yesterday I was bored at work, and decided to see if the one local sore offered credit. They did, and then they approved me for $3000 interest free for 12 months. The budget was around $1000, and I stuck with it. A few days ago when the wife and I went there to look at some gear first hand they had a demo/open box 2010 for just under 1k. The plan was to either get that, or settle on the 1010 (which wouldn't have really been settling). We stopped there on our way home from work, and the demo unit was gone. However the 2010 was on sale for $1300, and they knocked it down to $1,250 without even asking. The wife said go for it, and so I did. We were in and out in 5 minutes

Installing was super easy since its all just HDMI. Two in, one out, network, power, and speakers DONE. Everything worked like it should right away, no issues at all. The menus are easy, but they were a little intimidating at first since there is SO MUCH this thing can do. I ran YAPO and did it for multiple seating locations even. Since we only have a small apartment there are only 3 possible locations anyway . Again though, it was very easy and there were no hiccups. I set up PANDORA with both of our accounts, and played with the APP remote. The phone APP is probably the coolest thing I have seen! It gives you all the info you need, and can do just about everything. The commands are almost instant, you cant even really tell any delay.

I haven't really had time to dive into everything this thing can do, but I can tell its really a waste in our small place. I cant wait to get a proper room, and some more speakers to really see what this beast can do. So far though I am thoroughly impressed. Everything has been very easy to do, and just works. I cant stress that enough, its very impressive for something so complicated and feature loaded. I cant think of any other piece of electronics that I can say the same about.

Here are some crappy comparison pictures with my old Integra DTR-5.4, and a few of the new beast!







Old vs. New


Just a few more connections!








That's all for now, sorry for the dust on the last few.


Super Excited!
Sean

Well honestly, there really isn't any big upgrade enhancements coming. 4k is bogus due to the hdmi 1.4a spec.. It's only half duplex, however a lot of people are trying to twist themselves up over it. I would like to see mog or spotify added to the xx10s but I wont hold my breath.

I'm interested in using my Pioneer Kuro [stereo] speaker bar as my center channel. I'm not worried about matching sound, my system is mixed as it is. What I don't know is how I should wire it. Or, should I use the speaker bar as "presence" speakers? The speaker bar is still attached to the panel. I would honestly rather try to use it as a center channel, my center isn't all that great.

Hey, Super Excited Sean!

Congrats and welcome to the forum! re: your final two pix-- is the lower front panel aluminum colored, or is that just light reflecting off the panel?

How big are the speakers inside? Yu can try it, it certainly wouldn't hurt.

They are 13 watts each. I'm not sure about the ohms, probably 8 ohms. I tend to crank the volume, using it as a center at 13W is very risky. Watching NASCAR On Fox, when they do a "CRANK IT UP", I usually get into the + range on the volume display. The RX-A710 is only 90W or so per channel. I am fairly confident about the Presence usage though.

EDIT: Actually it's 16W at 6 ohms.

If you do try to use it as your center speaker, make sure you only connect the left or right speaker of the soundbar. If you try connect both at the same time it'll effectively be a 3 ohm speaker, below what the receiver is rated for.

That is just light reflecting off the lower panel. I took the pictures real quick, but its all black.

Sean

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Very appreciated

Ok I got the Denon hooked up to the Yamaha per the VCR out on the Denon and the AV1 on the Yamaha. I can get the Yamaha to work when I use Party Mode so I know the connection is working, however how does on get the Yamaha to play on Zone 2 or Main zone what its getting from the AVI input? Thank you

Easier just to use Mezzmo - works effortlessly with win7

Mezzmo Media Server

Press the ZONE button on the remote until you see Zone 2 at the top of the remote's display. Then press power button on the upper right to turn on Zone 2. Push the AV1 button select that input for Zone 2. You can use the volume buttons to control the zone 2 volume independently of the main zone.

Remember to turn both Zone 2 and the main zone off after you're done, otherwise the receiver won't be fully off.

By whom? I specifically asked if there was a Yamaha representative. I bought their flagship product. I hoped that it was gonna be supported. I wanted an official statement of some sort. Wasn't asking for sympathy.
Not what happened in Italy, where it was kept free for months. And, anyway, I have nothing against paying to upgrade a firmware if it includes significant new functionality. What I find unacceptable is having to buy a whole new amp for a feature that could clearly come through a firmware upgrade. This kind of mentality does wonders for the environment, by the way, especially for a company that claims its product is eco friendly.

By the way, regarding the volume bar thing: if people are referring to the volume bar appearing on display (TV) everytime you changed volume... that would have been enough for me to return it. The very same day. I mentioned here that I was lucky in getting the 10 series... I never thought that something so retarded could need to be researched before purchase (there really is no limit to how things can be broken by designers...).

Don't expect any sympathy from Yamaha, me or anyone else who you complain about this to.


No, you bought their top of the line 2011 model. It's now 2012.


There was no chance of you get anything sort of official response here, something you realized when you posed your question again two weeks later, this time without asking for a Yamaha representive. This was the post I replied to and you then responded to in an indignant manner, bitching and moaning like you were owed a AirPlay firmware upgrade. Of course you were asking for sympathy, after not getting any sort of official statement and after being told why you weren't likely to get what you want, what else could you expect to get here?

The bottom line here is that if you wanted AirPlay you shouldn't have bought a 2011 Yamaha receiver. (Really if this is so important to you, why didn't you buy a Denon?) The receiver you bought didn't have this feature nor did Yamaha promise to add it at a later time. The fact that it could be added in a firmware update is irrelevent. Many of the features in the RX-A3010 could also be supported in the RX-A2010 with just a firmware update that enabled them. Nothing was added to the RX-A1010 that couldn't have been implemented with a firmware update to the RX-A1000. This is how all consumer electronics are made, many of the features that differentiate models, whether within the same model year or between model years, are implemented completely in software.

No consumer electronic manufacturer is obligated to provide you with a completely new feature simply because of the fact that it can implemented in software without any hardware modifications. Your case is no different.