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post #1411 of 2855
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Originally Posted by simps1982 View Post

Question about ' Dynamic Range '
Yamaha has 3 options for it: Min / Standard / Max
'Min' means minimal dynamic range (maximum compression)
'Standard' means a low compression is applied (I think)
'Max' probably means no compression at all
1) Which one are you using?
2) Does that setting apply for every audio coming out of the receiver, or only for some specific codec (dts, dd 5.1, etc) ?

I believe it only applies to the Dolby codecs(DD, DD+, DTHD), and MAX should be on all the time.
post #1412 of 2855
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Originally Posted by TuenMuner View Post

I believe it only applies to the Dolby codecs(DD, DD+, DTHD), and MAX should be on all the time.

TBH, for people using ' Max ' dynamic range (at least on the RX-A3010 150watt / channel, which is the one I have and know about), I would suggest setting the speakers to ' small ' and crossover to at least 60 - 80 hz, set 'extra bass ' to off, and also lower the sub output by a fair amount. I don't care what kinda speakers you have, even if they are big bad $3000 towers, I do believe that if you set 'Dynamic Range' to ' Max ' and have the speakers to ' large ' and with extra bass on, you will risk the speakers too much in movies such as WOTW, etc...

Thats a problem for me, because I do have big 8" towers, and they sound way better when you set them to 'large' and 'extra bass' on (both sub and speakers reproducing the lowest freqs), but I would never EVER use it like that with ' Dynamic Range 'set to MAX. Its just too risky for the speakers, because some movies have INSANE BASS LEVEL on explosions, etc... and with 'Dynamic Range' set to MAX, believe me, this receiver will bring pretty much any tower to its knee even at not so loud levels in this configuration (large + extra bass + MAX dyn. range).

So, in the end, I believe its 'sane' to pick either:

LARGE, EXTRA BASS ON, STD DYN. RANGE

or

SMALL 60 - 80 hz, EXTRA BASS OFF, MAX DYN. RANGE

From my tests, I pick the first one, with standard dyn. range, but allowing my towers to receive the full range audio (they are full range towers). I believe it sounds much better that way, even if my audio has a little of dynamic range compression to it.

I am just curious to what dynamic range settings people are using with their RX-A3010 (or other recent yamaha receiver).
post #1413 of 2855
I started a thread on the new 1020. 2020 and 3020's if anyones interested..

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1415108/the-official-yamaha-aventage-rx-a1020-rx-a2020-and-rx-a3020-thread
post #1414 of 2855
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I started a thread on the new 1020. 2020 and 3020's if anyones interested..
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1415108/the-official-yamaha-aventage-rx-a1020-rx-a2020-and-rx-a3020-thread

Already!?!?! Wow..........LOL.
post #1415 of 2855
simps1982>

Not sure it it's relevant since I have the 1010 which is not nearly as powerful as yours (though more than enough for my use). But I use Bi-amped Front set to Large, Extra Bass off and Max dynamic range.

I have a question about speaker impedance and this receiver. My front speakers are JBL L 8000 (anniversary L 80 editions) and are 4 ohm. I can only choose 6ohm or 8ohm in the advance settings, but the manual specifically says that in 6ohm mode you can use 4ohm front speakers just fine, so that's what I'm doing smile.gif

I don't have a center speaker yet, so I'm basically doing a 4.1 setup at the moment. I have been looking at the JBL L Center (4 ohm) and JBL Ti Center (6ohms) which both uses the same high and midrange units my front speakers have, and therefore should sound awesome when used together. The Ti is 6ohm so that will work fine, the L Center is 4ohm and the manual doesn't mention anything about 4ohm speakers on anything but the Front left and right channels, would it be alright to use a 4ohm center?
The Ti is available in black which is a good thing, as it would not only match my L 8000's but also match my furniture a lot better than the L Center. That being said, if I find a cheap L Center I most likely will pick it up smile.gif

Another thing is the surround speakers. I only have some small Yamaha ones (6ohm), they are alright, but they are not too good looking. I found the JBL Northridge E10's that I think look pretty nice for wall mounting: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836101028
- unfortunately they are 8ohm.

So if I get the L Center and the Northridge E10's that would mean Front (4ohm), Center (4ohm) and Surround (8ohm). And if I get the Ti Center it will be Front (4ohm), Center (6ohm) and Surround (8ohm). Will that work together alright, will it sound bad or will it harm the receiver and/or speakers?

As said, my receiver is set to 6ohm but can also be set to 8ohm (which is the default setting).

Sorry if this is not the right place to ask smile.gif
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I have the Yamaha RX-A810 which I am using for my Blu-ray player, a Cambridge Azur 751BD. I have analog cables of course going from the Blu-ray play to the AVR. I am trying to get 7.1 analog out of the Yamaha and all I get is the center speaker.

I have the Cambridge set for analog out but can't seem to hear the other channels besides the center speaker. I have read the owners manual of the Yamaha and its still not clear if there is a setting I need to change.

Any guidence would be appreciated.

Edited--
Wait am I correct that the A810 has no 7.1 analog in. I only see 'Pre Out' for RCA inputs.. It does not have a Multi Channel in?
Edited by dreaux - 6/12/12 at 6:49am
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Can someone tell me why I should buy an 820 instead of the 810? I'm not interested in 4K capabilities, the 810 is $50 cheaper and has more internet features like Pandora, Rhapsody and SiriusXM, which have been removed from the 820's feature set.

The only issue I see at this point is that I'll have to buy the 810 direct from Yamaha because it looks like retailers are no longer keeping stock. Here's a comparison of the two from the Yamaha website:

Yamaha810_820compare.jpg

My Yamaha RX-V3800 has issues right now so I have to make a decision whether or not to fix it or buy a more up-to-date receiver.
post #1418 of 2855
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Originally Posted by rich3fan View Post

Can someone tell me why I should buy an 820 instead of the 810? I'm not interested in 4K capabilities, the 810 is $50 cheaper and has more internet features like Pandora, Rhapsody and SiriusXM, which have been removed from the 820's feature set.
The only issue I see at this point is that I'll have to buy the 810 direct from Yamaha because it looks like retailers are no longer keeping stock. Here's a comparison of the two from the Yamaha website:
Yamaha810_820compare.jpg
My Yamaha RX-V3800 has issues right now so I have to make a decision whether or not to fix it or buy a more up-to-date receiver.


Check your PM
post #1419 of 2855
Thnaks all for replies and suggestions.

KRIKTSEMAJ99: Using front speakers with integrated powered subs-no adjustment on the speakers.

KONSOLKONGEN: You are correct about the sound being very clear, and like you am not looking for wall cracking bass. If anything have ears which are old enough to need the higher frequencies boosted. That said, so far this unit makes violins sound more like nails on a blackboard and harpsichord like rain on a tin roof.
Edited by drhifive - 6/12/12 at 8:21am
post #1420 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Konsolkongen View Post

I should also mention that even though the YPAO calibration seems very nice the initial "Flat"-setting sounded horrible. As I can understand Flat evens out all the speakers in the room, and when my surround speakers are as small as mine it really dragged the front speakers down. "Front" where it tries to match the surround to the front sounds nice, but "Natural" sounds the best for me. I don't understand EQ's much but in Natural-mode the graph does take a dip around the 40Hz area of the front-speakers which seems to make sense according to the speaker manual.

Not surprising. many better custom setups have a house curve, as opposed to " flat". If a system has too much pronounced top end, it can be fatiguing very quickly.
post #1421 of 2855
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Originally Posted by rich3fan View Post

Can someone tell me why I should buy an 820 instead of the 810? I'm not interested in 4K capabilities, the 810 is $50 cheaper and has more internet features like Pandora, Rhapsody and SiriusXM, which have been removed from the 820's feature set.

I think the key feature that's missing in the RX-A810 is AirPlay support, which would let you stream audio to the receiver from Apple devices. There's also "HDMI Zone B" support which should somehow let you select different HDMI sources for the two HDMI outputs.
post #1422 of 2855
My app for AVS does not function on my ipad or iphone. Is anyone else having this problem?
post #1423 of 2855
Thanks Ross Ridge. I wouldn't miss the Airplay feature, and if this Zone B thing is where you can send digital video from one source, and digital audio from a different source to an HDMI out, that would be cool, but not a "must have" for me.

Another question: I understand that output is placed on HDMI 1 AND 2 Out simultaneously correct? So is the OSD for settings and such also output on both HDMI 1 & 2?

@dreaux: Got your PM but not sure what you're asking? I generally don't buy used when it comes to my HT needs, but thanks anyway if that's what you were getting at.
post #1424 of 2855
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Originally Posted by rich3fan View Post

Can someone tell me why I should buy an 820 instead of the 810? I'm not interested in 4K capabilities, the 810 is $50 cheaper and has more internet features like Pandora, Rhapsody and SiriusXM, which have been removed from the 820's feature set.
The only issue I see at this point is that I'll have to buy the 810 direct from Yamaha because it looks like retailers are no longer keeping stock. Here's a comparison of the two from the Yamaha website:
Yamaha810_820compare.jpg
My Yamaha RX-V3800 has issues right now so I have to make a decision whether or not to fix it or buy a more up-to-date receiver.

Are you sure that those internet features have been dropped or is it possible the website just has not been updated to show those features yet. I find it hard to believe Yamaha would scale back from their current offering. I'd like to get the 2020 because I would enjoy the addition of AirPlay, however I am also a fan of Pandora/Rhapsody/SiriusXM.

Anyone know when these will hit shelves? I have to make a buying decision by early next week. I'm moving into my newly remodeled condo on the 22nd and want my stereo there to start hooking everything up.
post #1425 of 2855
I'm making a change to my setup and will no longer be running my 3010 with external amps. So I have a couple of questions. First, a quote from the manual:
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This unit is configured for 8-ohm speakers at the factory. When connecting 6-ohm speakers, set the proper speaker impedance to "6 ohm MIN". In this case you can also use 4-ohm speakers as the main speakers.

1) My first concern is where the manual says "you can also use 4-ohm speakers as the MAIN speakers." Does this mean I shouldn't be using 4 ohm as the surrounds? I otherwise have a set of speakers that are 4 ohm that I'll be using as surrounds. They speakers are monitors that are 89db, and I won't be driving full range. Crossover will be 80 hz.

2) If it is ok to combine the 4 ohm surrounds with 8 ohm for all my other speakers, do I still set the unit to 6 ohm?

I'll also note that the unit will be used in a smaller and enclosed 10 x 12 room, and since my proximity to the speakers will be relatively close and I don't ever crank anywhere near-bleed levels with music or movies, I won't be driving the unit very hard.

Thanks.
post #1426 of 2855
Yamaha's site says August.
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Originally Posted by rockjeep44 View Post


Anyone know when these will hit shelves? I have to make a buying decision by early next week.
post #1427 of 2855
I know I'm in the minority here, but I do use this AVR for tuning in radio stations. Strange, huh?

I knew the receiver came with the ability to tune in HD Radio stations as well, but I didn't expect it to work the way it does.

What appears to be happening is the receiver will tune the FM station of your choosing, then it will attempt to lock onto the HD channel if available/strong enough.

The problem with this is....I may not necessarily want to tune to the HD channel...especially if it sounds like compressed audio.

If I had the ability to separately tune HD stations outside of the AM/FM band, that would make more sense. This is how I was expecting it to work.

The other problem with this automatic attempt to tune the HD channel is when the signal is weak, it keeps dropping back to the FM signal, then up to the HD channel again. Needless to say, this is more annoying than hearing some static on the FM station.


Your thoughts?
Edited by jdryyz - 8/2/12 at 7:05am
post #1428 of 2855
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Originally Posted by drhifive View Post

KONSOLKONGEN: You are correct about the sound being very clear, and like you am not looking for wall cracking bass. If anything have ears which are old enough to need the higher frequencies boosted. That said, so far this unit makes violins sound more like nails on a blackboard and harpsichord like rain on a tin roof.

I don't think I have much violin music, but some of my acoustic guitar tracks sounds absolutely amazing on this receiver, if that even compares. It sounds to me like there might be something wrong with yours? frown.gif

I should also mention that since my last reply to you I have increased the bass on my unit by 3db, as I started to miss the bass a little bit after all wink.gif
post #1429 of 2855
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Originally Posted by rich3fan View Post

Another question: I understand that output is placed on HDMI 1 AND 2 Out simultaneously correct? So is the OSD for settings and such also output on both HDMI 1 & 2?

On the RX-A810, you'll see the OSD on both HDMI outputs, as they're always displaying the same thing. On the RX-A820, I don't know. The new HDMI Zone B feature may have changed this.
post #1430 of 2855
I have the 2010 and set it to the 6 ohm setting.My main and surround speakers are Snell towers that are 4 ohms and my center is a Snell rated at 8 ohms.All are rated at 89db.I listen to movies at -20 volume and have had no problems.
post #1431 of 2855
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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

If I had the ability to separately tune HD stations outside of the AM/FM band, that would make more sense. This is how I was expecting it to work.

HD Radio broadcasts are actually in-band, they don't have a seperate frequency allocation like what happened during the digital TV transition.

Either way it would a handy feature to be able to disable HD Radio reception, but the only way I know of doing it on Yamaha receivers is to set it to mono reception. Obviously, this is less than ideal. My receiver is a Canadian model without HD Radio support, so there may be other work arounds I'm not aware of.

You can also try to improve the quality of your radio reception. Try running the supplied FM attenna straight up the wall if you're not all ready doing this. I find get the best reception that way.
post #1432 of 2855
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

My app for AVS does not function on my ipad or iphone. Is anyone else having this problem?

Are you talking about the Yahama app, or some App specific to the AVS Forums? If it's the later there's probably a better forum to try asking that queston, but I'm guessing it could've been broken by the major recent update to the site. You may have to wait for a updated App to match the updated site.
post #1433 of 2855
If there was simply a way to choose between FM only or HD Radio as an option, that would be great. The way it is now, Yamaha is saying HD is the way I want to go, but it really isn't. A clean analog FM signal is preferred.

I may look into improving my reception, but that will likely just guarantee that I will be HD only, biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

HD Radio broadcasts are actually in-band, they don't have a seperate frequency allocation like what happened during the digital TV transition.
Either way it would a handy feature to be able to disable HD Radio reception, but the only way I know of doing it on Yamaha receivers is to set it to mono reception. Obviously, this is less than ideal. My receiver is a Canadian model without HD Radio support, so there may be other work arounds I'm not aware of.
You can also try to improve the quality of your radio reception. Try running the supplied FM attenna straight up the wall if you're not all ready doing this. I find get the best reception that way.
post #1434 of 2855
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Originally Posted by hifibuzz View Post

I have the 2010 and set it to the 6 ohm setting.My main and surround speakers are Snell towers that are 4 ohms and my center is a Snell rated at 8 ohms.All are rated at 89db.I listen to movies at -20 volume and have had no problems.


This was in response to red_5ive's question.I did not show original quote,sorry new at this.
post #1435 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Are you talking about the Yahama app, or some App specific to the AVS Forums? If it's the later there's probably a better forum to try asking that queston, but I'm guessing it could've been broken by the major recent update to the site. You may have to wait for a updated App to match the updated site.
Talking about the AVS app, and I'm guessing the same about the recent site. One other person so far has mentioned having the same problem.
post #1436 of 2855
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

Talking about the AVS app, and I'm guessing the same about the recent site. One other person so far has mentioned having the same problem.

Here is the thread within AVSForums regarding the app, which is no longer working, mentioning what's happening and why, and what you can do as an alternative.

http://new.avsforum.com/t/1413970/iphone-app
post #1437 of 2855
Since the new models are about to release where are you guys finding deals on the 2011 units. Everywhere I'm looking online is still pretty much at full retail. It seems like they would be marked down a bit in anticipation. I'm not feeling enough new features have been added to the 2012 models to justify the price. Send me a PM if necessary.
post #1438 of 2855
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Originally Posted by rockjeep44 View Post

Since the new models are about to release where are you guys finding deals on the 2011 units. Everywhere I'm looking online is still pretty much at full retail. It seems like they would be marked down a bit in anticipation. I'm not feeling enough new features have been added to the 2012 models to justify the price. Send me a PM if necessary.
FWIW, Yamaha authorized dealers generally cannot advertise prices significantly lower than MSRP online unless part of an approved promotion.

If you call, however, I'm fairly confident that you can do much better.

wink.gif
Edited by bluechunks - 6/13/12 at 1:19pm
post #1439 of 2855
same here, i can't find a deal on the 710 at all. even the sites with them in stock, after i call it's already sold out.
post #1440 of 2855
Have the price points been set for the 2012 models?? My 23 year old Pioneer VSX 9500 finally gave up the ghost back in February. I was set on picking up the Yammy 3010 but recently came to realize the 3020 should be coming out soon (hoping they aren't much higher in price). Will I be able to get into a 3020 for under 2K?? Also, any news on a release date??
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