The "official" Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A710/810/1010/2010/3010 thread - Page 50

Thanks cr!

If your TV has more than one HDMI input (and it should), you can still route the rest of your devices through the AVR. You could then run a separate connection from your Mini to your TV. If you prefer audio from the Mac to go to the AVR, you could do so over optical.

You may even find it is better to use the Mac over a separate input because, depending on your TV, there may be an optimized viewing mode ("PC") that is better suited for output from a computer.

I'm noticing something with regard to DTS soundtrack decoding. At first I was going to blame my Oppo BDP-93 again but quickly discovered that it was happening with my other players as well.

What I'm noticing is that I do not hear the first 1-2 seconds of the start of any DTS HD-MA soundtrack. It could be happening with lossy DTS soundtracks also, but I have mostly seen it with the lossless tracks. It is very consistent across all the discs I've tried. It is easily reproduced when playing back Fox BD titles, since you instantly hear the Fox fanfare music accompanying their logo.

I've checked for any possible setting in the A2010 that may be related to this but nothing I've tried has made a difference.


I've already scanned the forum. Is anyone else experiencing this?

I have been hunting for a new receiver to replace my old RX-V2090 for 6 months now (Since I picked up a LG 47LW5600 tv). I finally pulled the trigger on a RX-A1010 which arrived yesterday. I found what I believe is a great deal at $569 not including shipping for a new unit.

The first thing I noticed was how lite the RX-A1010 is compared to the RX-V2090. With the energy speakers I am using I doubt I will notice a difference in sound quality. Maybe I will pull out my old Magnapans sometime and do a comparison. The 2090 was a great receiver but it didn't hold up when critically comparing it to Adcom gear through the Magnepan speakers and paled next to my Threshold amp... but was fine for home theater use.

I love the simplicity of HDMI cabling. I love being able to change the RX-A1010 volume level with the TV remote. I also love that the RX-A1010 turns off when I turn off my TV...
But I wish the RX-A1010 would turn on when my TV turns on!!!!! Is this a setting or is the unit not capable of this? I know I can use the scene button BUT I have my TV set as an alarm clock and it turns on at 7:00 am every morning. It would have been great if it would also turn on the RX-A1010 so I would finally have an alarm clock with decent sound! I don't know why they don't put alarm clock functionality into the these stupid receivers. With all the supposed smarts of these new receivers they certainly seem stupid in that area!

My first attempts to play any of my music from my DLNA server were a complete flop! The 1010 found me DLNA server, navigated the songs without a problem but it refused to play any songs. All of my songs are high bit rate MP3's. I figured out the network update routine last night so I am hoping the new firmware will fix the DLNA issues! I will try again tonight and hope the new firmware comes through.

I was really close to going with a lower end RX-x73 series. If the DLNA doesn't pan out I might just as well gone with a RX-373. My energy Micro speakers are nice but far from Audiophile quality. I serious considered going the x73 route for Airplay capability. I don't own any Apple products and probably never will but all my android devices have Airplay apps available for them and Airplay would be fun for parties with my non-nerd, Apple loving friends (My girlfriend is pretty intelligent but still she bought an Apple phone) . My LG TV has a good interface for connecting to my Media Server leaving the RX-A1010 network capability redundant and somewhat lacking in comparison.

To sum up my RX-A1010 purchase I would be completely thrilled with it if I could use it as an alarm clock!!!! Maybe I will write a small app to turn the Receiver on in the morning via IP or RS-232 and run the app on my media server which is always on anyways?
Edited by oughtsix - 6/20/12 at 12:01pm

I don't think so, but I don't think HDMI CEC (HDMI Control) is supposed to work like this. The TV isn't supposed to turn on other devices automatically when you turn it on, you could have a dozen devices connected and you wouldn't want them all to automatically turn on. Your TV might have some way of turning your receiver on manually using HDMI CEC.

How high of a bit rate? It won't play non standard bitrate MP3s.

What happens when you try to play the any of these songs? Is the song greyed out, does it give an error message or does it seem to play but all you hear is silence? Do the same MP3s play correctly using the receiver's USB input?

Well, the RX-V473 has DLNA support...

I will have to check on the bit rate of my MP3's tonight. I can highlight the songs and press enter to play them... but the 1010 comes up with an error (Incompatible format or something, I forget). My LG TV plays the files without a problem. I have a feeling that I will probably end up using the LG for playing media even if the Yamaha DLNA pans out because I am starting to rip my movie collection to my Plex Media Server and the LG will be a similar interface for both sound and video.

I got ~15+ years out of my RX-V2090 and it is still functioning perfectly. If I can get 15 years out of this RX-A1010 I will be very happy! My main reason for purchasing the 1010 was because the 2090 and DDS-1 decoder would only decode AC3 so all DTS encoded sound wouldn't play. :-(. I would have bought a used high end Yamaha off cast but I really wanted the HDMI wiring simplicity without sacrificing the 3D capability on my new TV.

I have a feeling that a 473 or 573 would have been sufficient for my needs but I feel a sense of longevity with the upper end Yamaha's and their build quality. At the price I paid I am happy with my decision to go with the 1010 over a 473 or 573.



Thank you for the feedback on the CEC. I suspect you are correct about the TV not being able to turn on the receiver... but it will give me something to research when I have the time. :-)

P.S. The RX-V2090 is being moved down stairs to the spare bedroom and the RX-V890 that is currently in the spare is going to my little sister who is still using my old Sony... with Dolby surround sound (Not even ProLogic surround sound).

Sure, but I need the twin hdmi outpu for feeding my tv and projector. I'd have to feed the mini into a separate splitter and back into the receiver anyway

Ahh...I wasn't clear on your need for two display devices. That does complicate it somewhat.

Wow, so no one else is seeing this?


May I ask that any of the Axx10 owners here please give this a try? Just throw in any Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD) disc that contains a DTS HD-MA track that is audible at the very start of playback. Any Fox title should do the trick. Keep in mind, however, that we're checking playback of the main title. All of the previews, etc. that may pop-up first do not count....even the dts MA logo screen. And, if you are able to reproduce what I am experiencing, then immediately try hitting the chapter back button on your player and see if it then DOES play the audio.


Thank you!

Challenge accepted!

But, I'm still at work. So, I'll give it a try later at night.

Much appreciated!

Go to input > option > decoder mode and set it to DTS. I'm fairly sure that should solve your problem. You may have to change it back to Auto again to listen to anything other than DTS. I haven't been able to reproduce this as my PS3 is of the old kind and I have to let it convert DTS-HD MA to PCM.
My old Sony STR-DG820 had the same problem, but with PCM, which in most cases could be solved by setting the decoder setting to PCM.

Hope this helps.

I thought about toggling that setting but then didn't like the idea of having to change it back. If it turns out it does solve the problem, it would seem to be fixable via firmware. I hope Yamaha has an answer for me soon. I did email them.

Changing one of my player's audio output settings from Bitstream to PCM did not change anything in my case.

I am going to see what happens with my Oppo's multi-channel analog output.

Ok. I'm back home and I gave it a try. For this test, I used Flight of the Phoenix (DTS HD Master Audio) and everything works perfectly. I mean the Fox logo and music started at the same time (no delay) and right after that, the movie started and again the sound was in sync.

As requested, I did hit the chapter back and everything works well. Have a look (sorry for the crappy video),

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP7FBf5Xov8

Using the DTS vs Auto decoder mode setting did not help. And, as expected, it also had the undesirable effect of rendering all other soundtracks inaudible.


My Oppo BDP-93 is also connected to the A2010 via multi-channel analog cables. When I switch the A2010 to multi-channel and restart the disc, I am not hearing any dropouts in audio. Obviously, this is not a solution either since I would give up a lot of audio settings this way.

So it would seem this is another problem related to HDMI. Sigh. Solving HDMI handshaking problems with my BDP-93 was the reason I went with the A2010 in the first place. Although it isn't unheard of, I somehow doubt Yamaha would address a problem of this type so late in the product's life, especially with replacement models coming in two months.

Ugh.

Thanks for testing for me. Any chance you can try a couple more discs just in case you got lucky on the one?

Do you have the latest firmware installed and what model AVR do you have? If you do not have the problem with your AVR, that would suggest I try looking at other points of failure again such as cables. But darn, I've already been through that. I'm sure my cabling is as good as it needs to be.

No worries, let me try with Master and Commander & X Men First Class. I do have the Yamaha RX-A1010

I'll report back.

I tried both movies and again everything worked just fine. The A1010 is wired connected to my network and it is running the latest firmware.

Thanks for your efforts.

Since you have the A1010, I then have to wonder if only my model if affected. I gotta believe the A1010, A2010 and A3010 are basically very similar internally, especially if the firmware is at the same revision. Not that I have checked....

I was sure that would work :/ But you are right, if you have to manually switch back and forth between the settings when playing different audio codecs it wouldn't be much of a solution after all. It's really strange that you still have this problem when setting your BD player to output PCM. Makes me wonder if the problem lies with your BD player rather than the AVR :/

I was ready to point the finger at my main player, too, but it happens with all three of them.

I just have a quick question. I have the A2010 and would like to know when you use the two subwoofer outputs simaltaneously, if there is a reduction in the voltage output? I noticed if i have all subwoofers (3) hooked up to sub out 1 only I get more output, but when i use both, i lose about 2 decibels in output.
Edited by ah_1014 - 6/22/12 at 4:03pm

Can I ask a quick question, has anyone actually done a side by side comparison of the 2010 and the 3010. I can read all the dacs, power outputs, component differences but just wondered if these were really audible. I don't want to waste my money and don't need the few functional differences just interested in Sound quality.

The two subwoofer outputs have their own independent audio path all the way back to the DSP, including seperate DACs and output drivers. So there won't be a voltage drop simply because you've hooked up two subwoofers. If you've configured the two subwoofers outputs to be left/right or front/back then sum of the two outputs might not be the same as if you configured them to be mono.

I also have the Oppo 93 and the 1010. I get some audio dropouts as well, but had not thought anything about it as by the time the main feature is on "it's right as rain". I'll do some testing here in the next couple of days to see if I can replicate what you are experiencing. I have not preciously noticed if it was specific to DTS HD Master Audio or not. I'll get back in the next couple of days with my "testing" results. I have an A-35 HD-DVD player and see if I can do some testing with that as well. For the record I do notice more dropouts with the A-35 than the Oppo, again I have not noticed if it was connected to the audio codec or not.

Regards,

RTROSE

Many thanks to Ross Ridge for all his support in this forum.

I always use the "mono" setting. I'll try and run more test and report back if i'm unable to make any improvements.

Thank you

I've experienced audio dropouts with my older BDP-83 player. They ended up being fixed by future firmware updates. The audio dropout I am referring to in this case is very specific. It happens with all of my players capable of playing DTS HD-MA tracks. The only common thing between them is the A2010 receiver, and as noted recently, it seems to be an HDMI thing. The analog output does not have the problem.

Thanks for testing. What I am interested in is any loss in audio within the first 1-2 seconds playing back a disc with a DTS-HS MA soundtrack. This is what I can reproduce every single time.

I am planning to buy a Yamaha 2010 based on the wonderful Sound & Vision review I just saw in a hospital waiting room.

I have an RXV 2095.

Much has changed.

My question here is what Sound Effect settings on the Yamaha 2010 are recommended for playing a large Classical Music collection on iTunes in Apple 256 bit AAC from Bach to Wagner being played on all speakers in a 5.1 speaker set up?

There are now 27 Sound Effects and recommendations for playing Classical Music would be great to get here.

The music is on an iMac and partly on a new iPad. There is a new Airport Express for AirPlay.

Thanks for keeping this forum.

Well I have done some testing and have had mixed results, I picked four discs with DTS-HS MA sound tracks, 2012, Avatar, Taken, and Wolverine. With Avatar and 2012 I get video and approximately two seconds later I get audio. With the other two I get audio first and then one to two seconds later get the video. So I can't replicate what you are getting and I'm getting other issues as well. Go figure. I have the Oppo 93 running to the 1010 and then to my Epson 8350 projector. I also changed the audio settings from LPCM, to Bitstream, and Auto with the same results. Sooooo.....that what I have to bring to the table. Not very helpful to you I don't think.

Regards,

RTROSE