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post #151 of 2855
There is a Yamaha RX-A1000/RX-A2000/RX-A3000 thread that might be helpful I couldn't really tell much of a difference between the A3000 vs A3010 when going over spec's .
post #152 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Durzil View Post

There is a Yamaha RX-A1000/RX-A2000/RX-A3000 thread that might be helpful I couldn't really tell much of a difference between the A3000 vs A3010 when going over spec's .

The major difference is that the 3010 has 9 channels of power vs. 7 in the 3000. To run 9 channels the 3000 needs external amplification.

Minor differences... You can't turn off the on-screen volume control on the 3000 and I thought there were some ipod/ipad connection advantages with the 3010 - but I don't use an ipod so don't quote me on that.
post #153 of 2855
Yeah I overlooked mentioning the 9 channel as im not even sure of im going to use 7. Thank you for pointing that out.

One severe disadvantage the A3010 has for me is it's 1.5"+ deeper than the A3000 (due to more channels I assume) and would not fit in my stereo cabinet. So make sure you look at the dimensions and ensure it will fit.
post #154 of 2855
Audioholics just posted a nice review of the 1010. Nice bang for the buck AVR.
post #155 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

Audioholics just posted a nice review of the 1010. Nice bang for the buck AVR.


Here is the LINK if ya all are interested.

Regards,

RTROSE

On a side note they call it a 7.1 channel receiver, however as we know it is 7.2.
post #156 of 2855
Hi!

Does YPAO support the subwoofer? In that case, can you configure YPAO to only adjust the other channels (not the subwoofer)?
post #157 of 2855
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Originally Posted by vredg View Post

Hi!

Does YPAO support the subwoofer? In that case, can you configure YPAO to only adjust the other channels (not the subwoofer)?

Not until you reach the 2xxx series. It will set distance and level only, no EQ.
post #158 of 2855
Can someone tell me if you can save independent YPAO settings per source with this model?
post #159 of 2855
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Originally Posted by MAGHUNTER View Post

Can someone tell me if you can save independent YPAO settings per source with this model?

Not directly, but there are still a few things you can do if you switch sources using the SCENE buttons.

Each SCENE can have different bass and treble settings, and can also have a different YPAO mode (so one scene can use manual EQ that you can set independently of the auto (or no) EQ used for other scenes). And you do have two "speaker patterns" each with their own EQ. You can set up both of those and select a specific one for each SCENE.

I would think that's good enough. Presumably you only have one or two sources that need some kind of correction independently of the others?
post #160 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bent240lv View Post

Anyone care to share their preferred settings for watching movies, tv, or music on the 2010?

I've got my 3010 dialed in now after 7 weeks. For movies off bluray I use sci fi dsp. I have a 9.2 setup. For any hbo, Shotime, etc on satellite I run the same settings. For stuff on fox,discovery,history ch, etc I run 9.2 stereo.

Music i run 9.2 stereo or 2 channel direct depending on what im listening to.
post #161 of 2855
I have the RX-V3900 and love it.The last of the yellow LED yamis.Thinking of upgrading to a 3010 but have a couple questions.
What colour is the front panel LED indicators now?
Secondly with my 3900 I can not run surround back speakers at the same time as front presence speakers.Can you run both on a 3010 using its internal amps only?
post #162 of 2855
With the RX-A3010, can you store different video parameters (noise/block reduction, sharpness, color etc) to a scene memory? Looks like it's not possible, you can just set 6 video preset and store those per input and store just HDMI processing on/off to a scene memory. But I want to use AV1 as a source and switch between two video settings. So I'd have use a HDMI splitter and feed the same signal to AV1 and AV2 and use different video presets for those? Or am I missing something?

(I don't yet own the receiver, I have just read the user manual and used receiver manager in offline mode)
post #163 of 2855
Is there any difference between the A2010 and the A3010 concerning manually adjusting video parameters?
post #164 of 2855
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Originally Posted by vredg View Post

Is there any difference between the A2010 and the A3010 concerning manually adjusting video parameters?

Yes. Don't have all the details on hand but that is one of the differences.
post #165 of 2855
Just missed out on the Newegg day after Christmas sale on the RX-A3000 so pulled the trigger last night on the RX-A1010.

Hopefully going to be as solid as our 10-year old RX-V800 but with all the new bells and whistles.

Will definitely take care of some 'cable clutter' in the HT cabinet.

Should have it by the end of the week.

Now to upgrade the 6-year old Yamaha LPX-510 projector........
post #166 of 2855
post #167 of 2855
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Originally Posted by ta-kid View Post

I have the RX-V3900 and love it.The last of the yellow LED yamis.Thinking of upgrading to a 3010 but have a couple questions.
What colour is the front panel LED indicators now?
Secondly with my 3900 I can not run surround back speakers at the same time as front presence speakers.Can you run both on a 3010 using its internal amps only?

The digital readout is a blue/grey which is completely dimmable and there are no LEDs that emit any light unless:

A: power off and you see a small red led for standby mode
B: pure direct button lights up blue when pure direct is activated

Otherwise it's a clean front end that doesn't distract you while viewing.
post #168 of 2855
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Originally Posted by iraweiss View Post

Review just posted here: http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/art...10-av-receiver

I don't understand how the A2010 can have so much lower power output than the much cheaper Pioneer Elite VSX-52 (rated at 110 watts 2 ch,8 ohms) in 5 or 7 channel mode. (62/60w vs 103/81w). Both reviews are from Sound and Vision mag. Am I missing or misinterpreting something?

I read everywhere that Yamaha has powerful amps..

Follow-up question: Could only 62/60w in 5.1/7.1 mode not be a problem with some speakers?
post #169 of 2855
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Originally Posted by jbichsel View Post

Just missed out on the Newegg day after Christmas sale on the RX-A3000 so pulled the trigger last night on the RX-A1010.

Hopefully going to be as solid as our 10-year old RX-V800 but with all the new bells and whistles.

Will definitely take care of some 'cable clutter' in the HT cabinet.

Should have it by the end of the week.

Now to upgrade the 6-year old Yamaha LPX-510 projector........

I was in the same boat. Missed the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deal and then went a head a got a great deal from Onecall. Then I find the Newegg deal. DOH! Oh well I have yet to hook it up as I am still in the construction phase, but I'm impressed so far with the fit/finish and over all build quality.

Looking forward to your impressions.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #170 of 2855
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Originally Posted by vredg View Post

I don't understand how the A2010 can have so much lower power output than the much cheaper Pioneer Elite VSX-52 (rated at 110 watts 2 ch,8 ohms) in 5 or 7 channel mode. (62/60w vs 103/81w). Both reviews are from Sound and Vision mag. Am I missing or misinterpreting something?

I read everywhere that Yamaha has powerful amps..

Follow-up question: Could only 62/60w in 5.1/7.1 mode not be a problem with some speakers?

There's a reason the RX-Z11 weighs 75 pounds. The power supply has to provide power to all the channels. I know, sounds simple, but people forget. When you're driving more than two channels, great demands are placed on the power supply. Very, very few recievers are capable of actually delivering rated output into 5+ channels simultaneously. However, it is rare that an AVR has to provide that power to all channels at the same moment. Those moments are when something like the Z11 or seperate amps shine.

The power supply output should be listed for all AVRs; that would give a better indication of what the reciever is capable of. I wouldn't worry about the 2010 or 3010's output. They're great for their class. if you demand more, look at seperate amps.
post #171 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

There's a reason the RX-Z11 weighs 75 pounds. The power supply has to provide power to all the channels. I know, sounds simple, but people forget. When you're driving more than two channels, great demands are placed on the power supply. Very, very few recievers are capable of actually delivering rated output into 5+ channels simultaneously. However, it is rare that an AVR has to provide that power to all channels at the same moment. Those moments are when something like the Z11 or seperate amps shine.

The power supply output should be listed for all AVRs; that would give a better indication of what the reciever is capable of. I wouldn't worry about the 2010 or 3010's output. They're great for their class. if you demand more, look at seperate amps.

Thanks for the answer. Just found it strange that Pioneers cheaper model had so much more power in 5/7 channels.
I've also seen Denon, NAD, HK beat Yamaha in 5/7 channels.

Can the low power output be the cause for they not having a THX certification.
post #172 of 2855
I see your point. It's amazing to me that Pioneer got that power out of a 30 pound receiver. In reference to your first question, I don't think the limited power will be a problem for a given speaker. Remember, the limitation is only when all channels are being driven hard simultaneously, and that is exceedingly rare. Even if you're listening to a 7.1 soundtrack, how often is the sound up on all 7 channels? Never? With the Pioneer, and others, you seem to get more total power available, with the Yamaha you get more power available as long as no more than 2 or 3 channels are being driven hard per moment. You'll notice the difference mostly when you are driving 5 or 7 speakers with music in Party mode, all speakers fully driven. For movies, or stereo music, you'll get more from the Yamaha than the Pioneer.

I compared my Z11 with a Yamaha A3000. It was very, very difficult to hear a difference in movies or stereo music. I'm sure 99% of listeners would not be able to distinguish between them. With 5 channels driven hard in party mode the Z11 crushed the 3000.

Between the A2010 and the Pioneer Elite VSX-52, the Yamaha is going to do better for 99.5% of movie and 2ch music, IMHO. 1/3 the distortion and a good chunk more power on tap for almost every circumstance. However, if loud party music on 5 or 7 channels is important to you, the Pioneer might be the better choice.
post #173 of 2855
I drive 9 speakers in 9ch stereo mode quite often listening at -3 on the volume. It's loud and clear.with efficient speakers, the receiver won't work as hard. I'm budgeted to add a 5ch emotiva in the spring, so I'm eager to see how the paradigms sound with a separate good quality amp. Honestly, I don't expect a huge difference but I want to off load the receivers front 3 channels. The 2010/3010 are very capable avr's in the power dept on their own. Don't be fooled by numbers alone.
post #174 of 2855
Thanks again. I'm either listening to music in two channel stereo mode or running 5.1 for movies/video games. I'm not scared away by the values. Just wondered about them. My current Denon 3805 (120w) drives my 4 ohms Dynaudio speakers fine. So I think either 2010/3010 would work splendidly. Perhaps even the 1010 could work.

I think it's between the 2010 and the 3010. I don't really think the 3010 is worth it for me (for the power). But on the other hand it's always nice to know you have all the available features (angle measurement, more manual video settings).
post #175 of 2855
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Originally Posted by vredg View Post

Thanks again. I'm either listening to music in two channel stereo mode or running 5.1 for movies/video games. I'm not scared away by the values. Just wondered about them. My current Denon 3805 (120w) drives my 4 ohms Dynaudio speakers fine. So I think either 2010/3010 would work splendidly. Perhaps even the 1010 could work.

I think it's between the 2010 and the 3010. I don't really think the 3010 is worth it for me (for the power). But on the other hand it's always nice to know you have all the available features (angle measurement, more manual video settings).

Well I found my 3010 $500 off msrp on eBay... It came straight from Japan.
post #176 of 2855
Received the RX-A1010 yesterday and got it set up and watched a couple of movies last night: 3:10 To Yuma and Enemy At The Gates. Incredible difference well beyond the old RX-V800.

Just a couple of issues that I could use some help with.

1. Somewhere along the way, the ability to seslect the video resolution output went away. The only two choices now are "Through" and "Auto". I have tried turning processing off and on. I initially had the resolution set to 1080i which is the max our Yamaha LPX-510 can take. Do I need to do a hard reset and start over? If so, how is that done again?

2. Audio tracks: The center channel seemed too soft as we had to really turn up the volume in order to hear the dialog. During Enemy At The Gates, that became uncomfortable once the shooting and bombing started. Is it as simple as going in and adjusting the center channel to say +5db?

Thanks for any help.
post #177 of 2855
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Originally Posted by jbichsel View Post

Is it as simple as going in and adjusting the center channel to say +5db?

Yes...most do adjust their center channel to their liking.
post #178 of 2855
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Originally Posted by jbichsel View Post

1. Somewhere along the way, the ability to seslect the video resolution output went away. The only two choices now are "Through" and "Auto". I have tried turning processing off and on. I initially had the resolution set to 1080i which is the max our Yamaha LPX-510 can take. Do I need to do a hard reset and start over? If so, how is that done again?

Try an SD source and see what happens. Perhaps HDMI output is controlled in HD? Sorry, that's just a guess.

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Originally Posted by jbichsel View Post

2. Audio tracks: The center channel seemed too soft as we had to really turn up the volume in order to hear the dialog. During Enemy At The Gates, that became uncomfortable once the shooting and bombing started. Is it as simple as going in and adjusting the center channel to say +5db?

Is this your first experience with lossless audio tracks? The dynamic range is quite a bit higher than with standard Dolby or DTS. Personally, I think some directors get carried away with the elevated Dynamic range capabilities. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something.

The problem with setting the center channel higher is that transitions from side to center will sound odd. Do make sure you've used YPAO to set up the speakers. Also, listen to a test tone from all the speakers sequentially after YPAO setup. A microphone is just not the same as a pair of ears. I fine tune the volume of each speaker by ear after YPAO setup. Also, I recommend measuring the distance from each speaker to your prime listening position and setting that manually. It can make quite a big difference in perceived sound quality, at least to me.

After properly adjusting your system, if the dynamic range is still too high you have three options:

1. Select the standard DTS or Dolby soundtrack.

2. Use "night" mode to compress the dynamic range. (I'm not sure what "Night" mode is called on the 1010.)

3. Adjust the center channel up some.

Try all 3 methods and use whichever is least objectionable to you. Remember, not all movies will make too much use of available dynamic range.
post #179 of 2855
Does the YPAO on the RX-A3010 eq the subwoofer like the higher end Onkyos and Denons?
post #180 of 2855
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Originally Posted by phisch View Post

Does the YPAO on the RX-A3010 eq the subwoofer like the higher end Onkyos and Denons?

Yes.
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