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Cheers!!!
So, what game are you going to play now?
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I wish. That was the last bit of troubleshooting I had to do behind my entertainment center. Now I can push it back against the wall and get back to unpacking. I just got moved back into my condo after a major remodel biggrin.gif
post #1562 of 2855
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I wish. That was the last bit of troubleshooting I had to do behind my entertainment center. Now I can push it back against the wall and get back to unpacking. I just got moved back into my condo after a major remodel biggrin.gif

Oh well, hopefully this coming weekend you will have a chance to enjoy your system in full.

Man let me tell you something........your avatar is mesmerizing!!!
post #1563 of 2855
Is there any real world difference between the video up scaling from 480i to 1080p on the Yamaha 1010 and the Yamaha 1020 doe to the HQ Video Chip?

Also is it wise to use a very long Ethernet cable to run to the Router or can you trust an Apple Airport Express to download the Firmware updates into the Yamaha 1010/1020?

As to all the DSP 23 types on th e Yamaha 1020, are there any that classical music buffs would enjoy using? Some say that the 23DSP settings are hype and not used.

Thanks for the replies, the more the better to learn.smile.gif
post #1564 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Deafwonder View Post

Is there any real world difference between the video up scaling from 480i to 1080p on the Yamaha 1010 and the Yamaha 1020 doe to the HQ Video Chip?
Absolutely.

Besides the modest increase in power and two additional channels, the video processor is one of the biggest differences between the 1010 and the 2010.
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Also is it wise to use a very long Ethernet cable to run to the Router or can you trust an Apple Airport Express to download the Firmware updates into the Yamaha 1010/1020?)
A wired connection can't hurt, but if the Express is working properly that would be fine. Note you can also download the update and place it on a USB stick as another option.
post #1565 of 2855
I've tested the 2010's performance using the Spears and Munsil and the HQV HD Benchmark. It works well! In the S&M disc, the 2010 quickly locks onto the cadence test (although some of them take about 1 second) and then performs smoothly. The jaggies test with 1080i is pretty amazing - no jaggies at ALL in any angle.

In real life testing with HBO TV sources (True Blood episodes) it performs perfectly. Works as well as my Panasonic BD55 blu-ray player in deinterlacing/cadence detection. My HTPC falls flat on its face trying to playback True Blood without stuttering.

I haven't tested with 480i sources though - I don't think I have any devices that can output 480i natively for the 2010 to handle. I don't think my Dune Smart H1 streamer can do it - I'll have to test it and see if I have 480i passthrough option.
post #1566 of 2855
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I haven't tested with 480i sources though - I don't think I have any devices that can output 480i natively for the 2010 to handle.
FWIW, I have tested 480i using an Oppo BDP-93 outputting 480i via HDMI. Not surprisingly, it performed perfectly with the HQV DVD Benchmark disc whereas the Oppo's Qdeo video processor stumbled on a few tests involving de-interlacing. Combined with the A2010's performance on HD (1080i) benchmarks (HQV HD and Spears & Munsil Blu Rays) I removed a DVDO Edge video processor from my setup as well as setting the Oppo to "source direct" because I preferred the HQV Vida 1900 processor in the A2010 over the Oppo's Qdeo. YMMV.

Of course, all of this may be redundant if one's display handles all of the de-interlacing/scaling functions properly anyway. Just feed the native signal to the display and call it done.

As a side note, I have not been impressed in the past with "noise reduction" functions on televisions, disc players, and video processors but IMHO the A2010 in AUTO does an amazing job of reducing block and mosquito noise without noticeably smearing or blurring the picture. This performance is particularly noticeable on bit starved HD cable channels.
Edited by bluechunks - 7/5/12 at 4:52am
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Cool, thanks for testing this bluechunks! Hmmm I'll have to look for this AUTO setting you speak of - I didn't know the 2010 had a denoise setting - I thought only the 3010 exposed it heh.
post #1568 of 2855
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Originally Posted by maxleung View Post

Cool, thanks for testing this bluechunks! Hmmm I'll have to look for this AUTO setting you speak of - I didn't know the 2010 had a denoise setting - I thought only the 3010 exposed it heh.
Yeah, it's explained on p. 115 of the manual if you want a reference.

There are the obvious selections for Brightness/Contrast/Saturation (I left them all at ZERO) and then I set the following for my personal preferences:

  • Contrast Enhancement = OFF
    There's a great Benchmark included on the HQV Benchmark Blu Ray to demonstrate the effect, if desired.
  • Resolution Enhancement = OFF
    IMHO, it makes some samples look "sharper," but I did not care for the effect universally. It might look great for sports, but I didn't have any games on the TiVo.
  • Noise Reduction = ON
    This one surprised me the most, as I had low expectations. Obviously nothing can make poorly (or overly) compressed video look pristine, but it does noticeably reduce the noise while it also miraculously does a good job of leaving "clean" video alone.
post #1569 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

FWIW, I have tested 480i using an Oppo BDP-93 outputting 480i via HDMI. Not surprisingly, it performed perfectly with the HQV DVD Benchmark disc whereas the Oppo's Qdeo video processor stumbled on a few tests involving de-interlacing. Combined with the A2010's performance on HD (1080i) benchmarks (HQV HD and Spears & Munsil Blu Rays) I removed a DVDO Edge video processor from my setup as well as setting the Oppo to "source direct" because I preferred the HQV Vida 1900 processor in the A2010 over the Oppo's Qdeo. YMMV.
Of course, all of this may be redundant if one's display handles all of the de-interlacing/scaling functions properly anyway. Just feed the native signal to the display and call it done.
As a side note, I have not been impressed in the past with "noise reduction" functions on televisions, disc players, and video processors but IMHO the A2010 in AUTO does an amazing job of reducing block and mosquito noise without noticeably smearing or blurring the picture. This performance is particularly noticeable on bit starved HD cable channels.

Based on your testing, can you confirm the HQ Video chip in the Yamaha 1020 can take a 480p input and successfully convert it to a 1080i clean output?
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Originally Posted by Deafwonder View Post

Based on your testing, can you confirm the HQ Video chip in the Yamaha 1020 can take a 480p input and successfully convert it to a 1080i clean output?
If you mean the A2010, that is not something I have ever had the need to use or test, but according to the Video Conversion table on p. 149 of the A2010 User Manual the answer is YES provided you desire to output via HDMI. The Yamaha will not do analog-to-analog conversion, except in the very specific scenarios listed.

If you meant the new A1020 arriving later this summer, the answer is also YES (via HDMI output) according to the User Manual but since it does not use the HQV Vida processor I have no idea of the quality.
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I'm getting an RX-V3071 in a few weeks, identical to the 3010 in power DAC, features, inputs...just missing the 5th foot, ipod dock and extended warranty.

I'm upgrading from an RX-V667.

My speakers are all Yamaha, specs as follows

All speakers are 6 ohm, subs are active.
Fronts: 30hz-35khz 100watt nominal, 250 max
Centre: 55hz-35khz 100watt nominal, 250 max
Surrounds: 65-35hkz 60watt nominal, 150 max
Subs: 20-160khz 270 watts

Can anyone tell me if my speakers will be a significant bottleneck to an improvement in sound quality for movies ( -15db ) and music ( -20db )

Also. Given that my mains are 6ohm they will be getting more than 150watt ( theoretical ) RMS each for 2 channel listening, do I risk blowing my tweeters/speakers in general when listening to 2 channel music?

I don't intend to set the impedance below the default 8ohm
post #1572 of 2855
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Originally Posted by dchalfont View Post

All speakers are 6 ohm

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I don't intend to set the impedance below the default 8ohm
Just out of curiosity, what is the advantage to leaving the receiver set for 8ohm with 6ohm speakers?
post #1573 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

Just out of curiosity, what is the advantage to leaving the receiver set for 8ohm with 6ohm speakers?

The amplifier's bias voltage remains the same so you get more power because you're pushing the same voltage in to less resistance. It's a way to drive your speakers at even louder levels than the receiver is designed for. Or at least in theory, it doesn't make the power supply any bigger and it doesn't prevent the receiver's protection circuitry from kicking in so there a limit on how much extra volume you can get from this.

The disadvantage is that you're operating the receiver out spec, and if the protection circuitry fails you could damage your receiver or even start a fire.
Edited by Ross Ridge - 7/6/12 at 11:37am
post #1574 of 2855
Thanks, Ross. That's what I thought. I should have been more specific since I was trying to figure out if there was a tonal difference or advantage that I hadn't considered.
post #1575 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

Just out of curiosity, what is the advantage to leaving the receiver set for 8ohm with 6ohm speakers?

There have been plenty of tests done ( even some by audioholics ) that prove that modern receivers are fully capable of powering lower impedance speakers while the reciever is set to the high impedance setting ( so as not to limit the power output ).

So setting your receiver to a lower impedance can cut your wattage in half unnecessarily.


O.T

If anyone could answer my question it would be much appreciated.
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I know the 2010 and 3010 have parametric equalization (perhaps the lower-tiered models as well). I see in the 3010 manual that there are 7 filters available, and I assume the PEQ can be set independently for each main channel?

My other question, can someone who has the 2010 or 3010 post the frequency stops that are available for the PEQ?

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt


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Originally Posted by Wayne A. Pflughaupt View Post

I know the 2010 and 3010 have parametric equalization (perhaps the lower-tiered models as well). I see in the 3010 manual that there are 7 filters available, and I assume the PEQ can be set independently for each main channel?

My other question, can someone who has the 2010 or 3010 post the frequency stops that are available for the PEQ?

There are 7 filters per channel, except for the two sub channels which have 4 (but no EQ for the sub on the 1010 and below). The filter frequencies are at 1/3 octave intervals, starting at 31Hz, but not all filters for the main channels can be set to low frequencies You can run the Receiver Manager application to see the complete list of frequencies for each channel (run it in Async mode, go to the "SP/PreOut Set" tab and then click Parametric EQ and select Manual mode).
post #1578 of 2855
I recently bought an A-2010 and LOVE it!

I have a problem with Pandora that I hope someone can help me with. Whenever I connect to the receiver with the iOS remote control app it knocks Pandora off. I think the error is "no access". I searched and found one mention of this problem but no resolution. Does anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks in advance!
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I am an owner of a RX-V3000 (from 2000) and plan on upgrading to the A3010 within the next couple of weeks. It just dawned on me that there is a feature that I use all the time on my current model that looks to be unavailable on this newer one

My RX-V3000 has a dial under the flip down panel called REC OUT/Zone 2, which will allow me, for example, to watch my TV programs or a Blu-Ray movie, while at the same time, using my receiver to Dub some thing from my VCR to my DVD Recorder (im archiving a lot of old sporting events I have from years back from VHS to Disc)
It appears in the user manual that the AV Video outs (composite/S-Video) will only output what is currently selected as the input.
Am I reading this right?
Is there any ways to use my receiver as a video switching source and NOT be restricted by what I can and cannot watch while I am doing this dubbing?

I can conceivably use zone 2 or 3 as an audio loop to my old cassette tape player, depending on how I set up my amps section, though to be honest, I haven't recorded a tape in years.. but it doesn't appear to be a way to switch video away from the input source

any help is appreciated guys..
Bill
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

I can conceivably use zone 2 or 3 as an audio loop to my old cassette tape player, depending on how I set up my amps section, though to be honest, I haven't recorded a tape in years.. but it doesn't appear to be a way to switch video away from the input source

You can do the same thing with your DVD recorder. Assign the analogue video monitor outs to zone 2, set the zone 2 volume level to fixed, and then connect your DVD recorder to the monitor outs and the zone 2 pre-out. This will also work with zone 3 instead. You'll need to have analogue audio and video connections from any of the sources you want to use with the DVD recorder. The video connections will need to be of the same type (composite, S-Video or component) as you've used to connect the DVD recorder's inputs.
post #1581 of 2855
Thats great for audio switching, what about video switching?
post #1582 of 2855
I think I understand you now, I didn't see anywhere on the
manual about being able to assign the av outs to a zone 2/3
post #1583 of 2855
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

I think I understand you now, I didn't see anywhere on the
manual about being able to assign the av outs to a zone 2/3

It won't work with the AV outs, you'll need to use the video jacks labeled "Monitor Out/Zone Out" after assigning them to zone 2 or 3.
post #1584 of 2855
Awesome!!! Thanks!'

thinking about this all, the AV outs are kind of lame, and very restricted in their usefullness
Edited by billmich - 7/10/12 at 7:14pm
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With that issue solved, I have another question for owners of the 3010,
My current Yamaha receiver has a feature called back ground video where if I select a video source from the remote and then an audio source, I can watch my video and listen to the audio

Is there such a feature here, or if I select audio1-4 is video automatically shut down from this unit?

In addition I was reading through the manual, can someone ease explain to me what SCENE is all about, is it an input preset shortcut type of thing?

Thanks in advance
Bill
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There is a feature that will let you select a video source in combination with one of the internal sources (tuner, network, USB) or the multichannel input, but not AUDIO1-4 or any of the other inputs. There are few workarounds you can use if you only want this for a limited set of seperate audio and video sources, but in the general case, HDMI -- which carries both audio and video in single cable -- killed this feature in modern AV receivers.

The Scene functionality memorizes a set of settings and recalls them at a push of button. Normally it remembers things like the selected input and DSP settings, but it can also remember things like the volume setting and speaker setup, in any combination. The Scene buttons will also turn on the receiver if necessary.
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What are some of the workaround?
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If it's an HDMI source you want to watch while listening to another source with available analogue or digital audio output, then you can connect them to the same input and use audio select function to choose the other audio. For example if you wanted to watch video from your cable box, but listen to an audio CD on your Blu-Ray player then connect both using HDMI to seperate inputs, but run analogue audio cables from the Blu-Ray player to the same input as the cable box uses. This work around doesn't work very well if there's more than one combination you'll want to do this with, and it depends on the audio source being able to output audio on multiple outputs simulataneously, or can easily switch between outputs.

Another possible workaround is to run a second set video cables from one or more your sources directly to your TV. You can then select video source you want on the TV and the audio source on the receiver. This is a more general work around, but the cabling is often more a problem and it requires sources that can easily switch between video outputs or are capable of simulataneous video output.

If this is an important feature for you then you might want to wait and see if the RX-A3020 supports this any better. It has an HDMI matrix switch which technically would allow the receiver to implement it more generally, and the very least should offer a better workaround or two.
post #1589 of 2855
On what page in the manual do I find out how to set the crossover levels for speakers set to SMALL?

can I set that speaker by speaker, or is it global?
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

On what page in the manual do I find out how to set the crossover levels for speakers set to SMALL?
can I set that speaker by speaker, or is it global?
p. 110 (A2010), and it's per speaker
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