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post #1681 of 2471
8/27/12 at 6:29am
Has anyone ever tried passing multi-channel audio through the HDMI outputs of these models? In another thread the 867 is reported to pass only 2-channel stereo, which would seem to be a serious limitation for anyone trying to send HDMI out to another audio processor.
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post #1682 of 2471
8/27/12 at 6:40am
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... So what am I missing about Audyssey compared to the latest YPAO in the 2010

The 1010 (and your 671) sets the subwoofer distance and level but doesn't apply EQ. The 2010 can also EQ the sub, but the filter frequencies are limited to 1/3 octave intervals which is not normally very good for fixing room modes. If you find the best position for your sub and your room is not too difficult, then there might not be much advantage to better sub EQ, but in some cases a dedicated sub EQ will make a big difference. Audyssey can EQ the sub with more precision than YPAO, but how much better depends on the version of Audyssey, and in the end it may or may not make an audible difference in your particular case.
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post #1683 of 2471
8/27/12 at 7:35am
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So what am I missing about Audyssey compared to the latest YPAO in the 2010

Sorry, I wasn't saying that there was a diff. between the Audyssey Mult-EQ-XT vs the YPAO for the 2010 in the sub calibration. I was just mentioning that in your earlier post you said that YPAO had sub calibration, but when I read it again, you mentioned you had the A2010 and not the A1010. I was trying to compare the A1010 with a Denon to see which to stick with b/c the Denon has the sub calibration in it whereas the A1010 does not. You have the A2010, not the A1010, so you have the extra sub algorithm feature, and so I was just trying to see which AVR to keep. I'll probably stick with the A1010 though. When I'm setting up the speaker configuration, it does cycle thru the sub, but I think your A2010 has a more detailed sub algorithm than the A1010.

But thanks for the input on calling up Yamaha and how they would help you walk thru and setup your AVR with the sub calibration feature. That's good to know.
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post #1684 of 2471
8/27/12 at 7:42am
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The 1010 (and your 671) sets the subwoofer distance and level but doesn't apply EQ. The 2010 can also EQ the sub, but the filter frequencies are limited to 1/3 octave intervals which is not normally very good for fixing room modes. If you find the best position for your sub and your room is not too difficult, then there might not be much advantage to better sub EQ, but in some cases a dedicated sub EQ will make a big difference. Audyssey can EQ the sub with more precision than YPAO, but how much better depends on the version of Audyssey, and in the end it may or may not make an audible difference in your particular case.

Thanks for the info kriktsemaj99! That's what I've been hearing is that the Audyssey Mult-EQ XT does a better job at EQ'ing the sub vs YPAO, and that is why I was a little torn between the A1010 vs the Denon 2113. The A1010 has way more features and inputs, pre-outs, etc. and I like the diff. listening modes, but probably will only use like 2-3 of them. The main big diff was the sub calibration w/i the AVR's and since I recently was able to get my game room setup with the Marantz SR6006 with Audyssey Mult-EQ-XT and sounded alot better, I was torn between those other 2 AVR's for my living room.

I like the A1010 alot and leaning towards that, but I haven't played with the Denon yet, so once I do that, I may have a better feel at which one I want to keep.
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post #1685 of 2471
8/27/12 at 11:18am
Hello everyone. I just purchased a clearance RX-A2010 for a steal of a deal. I've had it for about a week and love it so far except I'm having trouble with the YPAO settings. I have a pair of def tech sm65 bookshelf speakers and after trying ypao on both single point and multi point settings, it keeps coming up with unbelievably different EQ settings for the left and right speakers. Any ideas on why this is happening and is there a way to copy the EQ settings from one speaker to another? It also keeps saying that the wiring on the speakers is reversed but I've double and triple checked them and they are fine. Thanks in advance for any info.
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post #1686 of 2471
8/27/12 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

I have a pair of def tech sm65 bookshelf speakers and after trying ypao on both single point and multi point settings, it keeps coming up with unbelievably different EQ settings for the left and right speakers.

I don't know if this is your particular situation but YPAO corrects for the room so it is entirely possible that identical speakers placed in acoustically dissimilar locations (in a corner, in a bookcase, ect...) or a room that is not acoustically symmetrical (this is rare) can produce widely different results.
Edited by bluechunks - 8/27/12 at 11:57am
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post #1687 of 2471
8/27/12 at 12:09pm
My speakers should be fairly similar. Due to WAF issues and a terrible living room layout in an old DC apartment, the speakers are on stands separated by about 6 inches directly below the TV.
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post #1688 of 2471
8/27/12 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

...the speakers are on stands separated by about 6 inches directly below the TV.
Since your speakers are only 6 inches apart try swapping them and run YPAO again. Compare the EQ result before/after and then you can potentially eliminate a possible speaker issue prior to further YPAO troubleshooting if the wildly different EQ settings follow a specific speaker.
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post #1689 of 2471
8/27/12 at 1:00pm
Here is the original EQ from my left speaker

http://flic.kr/p/cZTXxq

and my right speaker

http://flic.kr/p/cZTXJ5




so I took your advice and switched the speakers and now here are my two EQ's, for the new left (original right)

http://flic.kr/p/cZTY7W


and now for the new right (original left)

http://flic.kr/p/cZTXVN


The new EQ settings seem much more reasonable but it still is a mystery why originally the two EQ's were so different and why they are now more consistent and with a dramatically different EQ
Edited by simp1yamazn - 8/27/12 at 1:06pm
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post #1690 of 2471
8/27/12 at 1:02pm
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The new EQ settings seem much more reasonable but it still is a mystery why originally the two EQ's were so different and why they are now more consistent and with a dramatically different EQ
Indeed. That is pretty odd.
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post #1691 of 2471
8/27/12 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

Hello everyone. I just purchased a clearance RX-A2010 for a steal of a deal. I've had it for about a week and love it so far except I'm having trouble with the YPAO settings. I have a pair of def tech sm65 bookshelf speakers and after trying ypao on both single point and multi point settings, it keeps coming up with unbelievably different EQ settings for the left and right speakers. Any ideas on why this is happening and is there a way to copy the EQ settings from one speaker to another? It also keeps saying that the wiring on the speakers is reversed but I've double and triple checked them and they are fine. Thanks in advance for any info.

Yes, it often gets the phase wrong. Actually even in the manual it says it may get it wrong, depending on the layout of your room.
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post #1692 of 2471
8/27/12 at 2:09pm
Another unrelated question, how do I enable the background video feature? It is listed as a feature but there is nothing about it in the manual


Edit: Nevermind, figured it out biggrin.gif
Edited by simp1yamazn - 8/27/12 at 5:32pm
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post #1693 of 2471
8/28/12 at 4:21am
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Originally Posted by thedoc46 View Post

Yes, it often gets the phase wrong. Actually even in the manual it says it may get it wrong, depending on the layout of your room.

I've had the same thing happen re: phase; sometimes YPAO just gets this part wrong. If you had the speakers incorrectly wired, you'd know it soon enough.
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post #1694 of 2471
8/28/12 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by willybguy View Post

I've had the same thing happen re: phase; sometimes YPAO just gets this part wrong. If you had the speakers incorrectly wired, you'd know it soon enough.

It also done it on my old RX-V2700. At the time it had me scratching my head for about 15mins, until I got on here and someone else mentioned about looking in the manual at where it says, 'may get it wrong'
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post #1695 of 2471
8/28/12 at 12:46pm
On my RX-A2010, how exactly does the wireless streaming work using the Yamaha AV app ? From my iPhone or iPad that is...

I mean is it digitally sent for the receiver to decode? If I was to have a high bit rate lossless AAC on my iPod, would it be the same as say having a USB plugged directly in with a flac file on it?

I'm not understanding exactly how it works and having a hard time finding anything about what technology its using online.
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post #1696 of 2471
8/28/12 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by thedoc46 View Post

On my RX-A2010, how exactly does the wireless streaming work using the Yamaha AV app ? From my iPhone or iPad that is...
I mean is it digitally sent for the receiver to decode? If I was to have a high bit rate lossless AAC on my iPod, would it be the same as say having a USB plugged directly in with a flac file on it?
I'm not understanding exactly how it works and having a hard time finding anything about what technology its using online.

I had the same question but couldn't find anything on it. So I could be wrong, but as I understand it, the Yamaha AV App is just a controller. I would expect then that if there is any transcoding it is going to occur with the host/media server (the ipod/pad media server app in your case). Thus, where the Yamaha AV app is concerned, what goes in is what comes out.

Also, you can at least check the format of the input signal. While you are playing a source, go to:

On Screen > Information

When I play FLAC files from my phone, the Information screen displays "Format: FLAC", and the same goes with the USB input. If the format displayed PCM then I'd expect the media server was transcoding the file.
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post #1697 of 2471
8/29/12 at 8:37am
I'll apologize ahead of time fo rwhat will surely be a redundant question here, but here goes anyway...

I am currently running an older, but highly reliable and effective for me Yamaha RX-V800. Biggest problem is no HDMI switching, and secondarily no support for newer audio formats. The rest of my setup includes Mirage towers and center, Boston Acoustics in-ceiling rear, not great Polk sub that will get replaced before long. Picture is on Panasonic GT50. Use is in family room...mix of TV, BluRay, DVD, audio. I currently have HDMI connected direct to TV from DirecTV box, BR player, Apple TV. Optical audio from DirecTV and BRD to Yamaha. I have tried using the audio return channel from the TV to the receiver, but for whatever reason it seems to be hit/miss with no 5.1 pass through, only two channel. Current Yamaha has no problems, but I'd like ot optimize things a bit better.

I know I can probably find the answers here with more reaqding, but frankly it gets hard with these super long threads. (57 pages on this one alone)...
I have located a clearance RX-A1010 unit for under $600. Has remote but no YPAO mic. At the same time, they have a Marantz 5006 for low $400s but I am leaning towards the Yamaha based on my positive experience with Yamaha. In light of the newer xx20 series just being released, is the 1010 still a worthy unit? It seems that many here have settled on the 2020 but it seems that one big driver for that is the ability to fine-tune the sub. I don't think I care too much about that.

Any reasons I should pass on this unit?
Any solid reasons why I should go ahead and get it?

Thanks in advance.

Mike
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post #1698 of 2471
8/29/12 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by Road2Show View Post

I'll apologize ahead of time fo rwhat will surely be a redundant question here, but here goes anyway...
I am currently running an older, but highly reliable and effective for me Yamaha RX-V800. Biggest problem is no HDMI switching, and secondarily no support for newer audio formats. The rest of my setup includes Mirage towers and center, Boston Acoustics in-ceiling rear, not great Polk sub that will get replaced before long. Picture is on Panasonic GT50. Use is in family room...mix of TV, BluRay, DVD, audio. I currently have HDMI connected direct to TV from DirecTV box, BR player, Apple TV. Optical audio from DirecTV and BRD to Yamaha. I have tried using the audio return channel from the TV to the receiver, but for whatever reason it seems to be hit/miss with no 5.1 pass through, only two channel. Current Yamaha has no problems, but I'd like ot optimize things a bit better.
I know I can probably find the answers here with more reaqding, but frankly it gets hard with these super long threads. (57 pages on this one alone)...
I have located a clearance RX-A1010 unit for under $600. Has remote but no YPAO mic. At the same time, they have a Marantz 5006 for low $400s but I am leaning towards the Yamaha based on my positive experience with Yamaha. In light of the newer xx20 series just being released, is the 1010 still a worthy unit? It seems that many here have settled on the 2020 but it seems that one big driver for that is the ability to fine-tune the sub. I don't think I care too much about that.
Any reasons I should pass on this unit?
Any solid reasons why I should go ahead and get it?
Thanks in advance.
Mike

With HDMI support it will make your life much easier and it is a 3D ready AVR that will go good with your GT50, if you ever get a 3D BD. Just keep in mind it's a bigger box then your 800.
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post #1699 of 2471
8/29/12 at 4:01pm
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With HDMI support it will make your life much easier and it is a 3D ready AVR that will go good with your GT50, if you ever get a 3D BD. Just keep in mind it's a bigger box then your 800.

Thanks for the feedback. Good point about the size of the units...I need to check that for sure. I'm also a bit worried about the cabinet I have things in. It does get a bit warm when we use the AVR. If I run everything through the new unit, I suspect that means I have to have the AVR on all the time. Is that right, or is there any kind of passive pass-through on the HDMI connection?

Mike
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post #1700 of 2471
8/31/12 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

RX-A2010 for a steal of a deal.

I'm also looking for a deal on a RX-A2010, no luck yet tho...Maybe this being holiday wkend something will come up..
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post #1701 of 2471
9/3/12 at 5:02am
i found the rx-a1010 at bestbuy as an open box item for $440. originally i was going to purchase the rx-v671 which is around the same price but need to know if this price point for an open box item is good.
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post #1702 of 2471
9/3/12 at 1:50pm
I have Adaptive DRC enabled on my A710, but I don't think it's working. Is there any way I can really test it?

My one and only source at the moment is a Windows 7 PC with XBMC via HDMI. Does Adaptive DRC not work with a PC as a source? I don't have a BluRay player to test with.
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post #1703 of 2471
9/3/12 at 3:25pm



Prepping for my new Klipsch RF-7 fronts arriving tomorrow; upgraded RX-V671 to RX-A2010 today in main HT setup with my dad helping. Ran new speaker wire, installed center channel tilt rod, added (AVR side) banana plugs and positioned AVR on bottom shelf. Future amp will go on top shelf. Reprogramming Harmony One to swap the new AVR for the right activities is a bit tedious. The input names are changed - instead of HDMI1, HDMI2, etc it's now AV1, AV2 but no biggie there.

OEM 2010 remote controls are substantial - larger remote is quite heavy w/ LCD panel (!) but i'll be dam*ed if I can figure out how to do even simple things like switch inputs without looking at the manual. I fumbled through a YPAO setup w/ Quintet Fronts (before the 7's get here tomorrow). On the other hand, I won't need the OEM remote much after I do the YPAO and set XO's after 7's get here. Running Cat5 from Apple Airport Express to 2010's ethernet port, flawless. Automatically configured network access, online & ready to stream before I could tap in my Pandora Username and Password. 30 seconds later, yamaha a/v controller iOS app added 2010 to my devices.

Limited video impressions so far but, I can see a difference between 671 and 2010 video processors. I don't even watch anything SD anymore, but putting on an SD channel shows off impressive up-scaling. The difference in HD channels is definitely there don't know how to define, picture seems like it pops off the screen. If there's an SD commercial in between HD commercials, the 2010 upscales it automatically, and you see the black bars, that's impressive as well.

More to follow.
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post #1704 of 2471
9/3/12 at 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by italysfinest327 View Post

i found the rx-a1010 at bestbuy as an open box item for $440. originally i was going to purchase the rx-v671 which is around the same price but need to know if this price point for an open box item is good.

If you can find out why it is an open box that is your first step. If that checks out with no issues then the $440.00 is a great deal I would say.

Regards,

RTROSE
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post #1705 of 2471
9/3/12 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by italysfinest327 View Post

i found the rx-a1010 at bestbuy as an open box item for $440. originally i was going to purchase the rx-v671 which is around the same price but need to know if this price point for an open box item is good.

I have the 671, and that's a steal of a deal on a 1010. Make sure the YPAO microphone is included, also power cord, remote control, separate AM and FM antennas, hmmm, and what kind of warranty needs to be clarified. Do you get full manufacturers warranty? You can improvise missing accessories but the warranty is critical info.
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post #1706 of 2471
9/4/12 at 3:16am
I walked into the store after finding this open box listed on their site. I ended up walking away paying $400, only thing it didnt come with is the manual and box. It was their display model since they got the 1020 in recently. They powered it up in front of me to make sure it works. Got home set it up no problems so far.
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post #1707 of 2471
9/4/12 at 3:45am
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Originally Posted by italysfinest327 View Post

I walked into the store after finding this open box listed on their site. I ended up walking away paying $400, only thing it didnt come with is the manual and box. It was their display model since they got the 1020 in recently. They powered it up in front of me to make sure it works. Got home set it up no problems so far.
You should be able to call Yamaha and get a printed copy for free in black and white. It actually does not come with a printed manual, it is on a disc. Many complaints about this which is why you can call and get one for free. Also, you can download the manual and print it yourself, or have it printed at kinkos or someplace similar. I ordered a copy from Yamaha and received it in less than two weeks just so I could have it. I also have it downloaded to my iPad. Good luck with your AVR.
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post #1708 of 2471
9/4/12 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by italysfinest327 View Post

I walked into the store after finding this open box listed on their site. I ended up walking away paying $400, only thing it didnt come with is the manual and box. It was their display model since they got the 1020 in recently. They powered it up in front of me to make sure it works. Got home set it up no problems so far.

That's a fantastic deal on a 1010. Do you get full manufacturer's warranty?
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9/4/12 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by willybguy View Post

That's a fantastic deal on a 1010. Do you get full manufacturer's warranty?

Any open box item from Best Buy still gets the full manufacturer warranty and return policy. Being willing to take an open box item with full warranty is the best way to get a deal at best buy.
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9/4/12 at 7:22am
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

Any open box item from Best Buy still gets the full manufacturer warranty and return policy. Being willing to take an open box item with full warranty is the best way to get a deal at best buy.

Really, I didn't know that, but I guess since BB is a valid reseller? Anyhow, really good to know since I picked mine up w/o even asking about the warranty b/c I assumed the manufacturer warranty was not valid. Do you call Yamaha and let them know your AVR model and serial and they'll let you continue the warranty from a prorated date, say the day the AVR came out or can you just go to their website and fill out the information with the serial no. etc?

Thanks.
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