Originally Posted by Skerlnik
Perhaps you shouldn't limit your buying choices to entry level units? All I can tell you is to go somewhere that has some 10/20/3010's setup and have a listen. I'm not sure what you consider to be "open sound" but my 1010 sounds wonderfully natural, and better in every way compared to the Yammie it replaced.
You obviously failed to see my point. My friend's VSX-822 cost him only $45 more than mine, yet it sounds more open without paying twice as much, and certainly not 4 times as much like you're suggesting. Yamaha just doesn't match what some competitors are offering in terms of sound quality in the lower models anymore.
I also fail to see how thinking one should have to buy a $1000 receiver to match with a speaker set that ranges from $350-$400 street price (including sub) makes any sense. I don't need an audiophile grade receiver, my speakers wouldn't even make use of it's full potential. I just expect better than the sound the lower end Yamahas have, because I know better sound exists in their price range.
I also don't know how you can misunderstand what open means, it's used quite a lot really. It means more spatial, as if the details of each sound are more clear, esp in the midrange where the ambience and depth comes from. To put it another way, openess, ambience, spatiality is what compressed music loses. So to a degree, the lower end Yamahas sound a bit more digital than the lower end Pioneers.
It's not that mine sounds bad, it just doesn't have that extra oomph that puts it at the head of it's price range. I'ts certainly not a big enough problem to warrant having to spend 4 times as much. That would make Yamaha sound like and elitist brand that doesn't give a crap about anyone spending less than a grand on a receiver, but sadly it's looking to be true, because it appears they don't care to compete much on sound quality even at the $650 range.
What I'll probably do is hold onto this one for a while. I'm hoping in a couple more years after having this and my TV for a few years there will be better TV tech and better sounding affordable Yamahas, or Pioneers with better menus, displays, navigation and surround modes. I'm really not brand loyal, I just want something that is best all around in it's price range.Edited by Hi Def Fan - 9/13/12 at 12:10am