The "official" Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A710/810/1010/2010/3010 thread - Page 60

There are many examples of how lower priced AV gear can be better. The Jamo S426 HCS3 5-pack HT speaker set with their Sub 210 for example can be had for $350 regular price at Fry's or Newegg & Amazon, yet they blow away many costlier HTiB sets, including the Def Tech ProCinema 400 set that goes for a ridiculous $600 and only have 2.5" mids and cheap plastic sat cabinets. Yes, I've listened to both, no comparison.

Sorry, but the have to pay more to get more mindset just doesn't tell the whole story, not by a long shot. I also only buy from reputable authorized dealers, and one so eager to dicker at a time of year that isn't even peak for audio gear sounds a bit suspect to me. Last local store that did that with me tried to convince me Denon has a 3 yr warranty. Turned out he was trying to unload a AVR-1712 demo that had no remote.

BTW, still waiting for that source on the RX-A1010s for $650, if nothing else just to see those claiming it back up their talk. I assume this is a reputable authorized dealer and a NIB unit? Otherwise, it doesn't really count.

...Oh wait...

http://www.electronics-expo.com/open-box-like-new-yamaha-rx-a1010bl-av-receiver-black

...not in stock and OPEN BOX. The hilarity ensues.

Quite often vendors will lump returned and refurbed gear in with mere demo open box items. They'll also often claim you get the full factory warranty, yet usually the manufacturer says otherwise. If the vendor or customer tries to hide the fact that it's OB, usually the place purchased from, time of year, and price are a dead giveaway.

This kinda makes the "get what you pay for" argument even more questionable. Onkyo are the only ones I see selling non new receivers responsibly, eg: as they should be. They warn you that you get half the warranty period, which is realistic. The ironic thing is, there's a lot of Yam loyal people here that would probably think nothing of lying their ass off to them if they should need warranty coverage on an OB item. Not a good way of doing biz IMO.
Edited by Hi Def Fan - 9/13/12 at 7:35pm

I just don't understand why you continue to post like this. You choose not to believe those who have told you how to get great pricing. You dont believe that people are receiving new factory sealed product. You choose not to try calling yourself. I for one am not going to do the homework for you. I am going to continue benefiting from great pricing. Believe what you will.

To the whiny guy who can't find a New-In-Sealed-Box RX-A1010 for $650, do your friggen homework!
I called around and got mine from a Best-Buy-Magnolia for $592 + shipping. It took me 2 hours total.
It's being shipped to me from a BestBuy in Chicago. Have I spelled it out clearly enough for you? You really
have made a complete TOOL of yourself when several folks have wasted their time trying to help you. Get this
guy some Midol already..

I've been doing the same looking for a 1010 and I've found a few of them. What exactly did you say to them to get them to ship it to your home. I've tried to talk them into to shipping it to my house and they keep saying they can't. These units are definitely out there. Lowest i've seen for a 2010 is 948.86. (two stores in MN) What i did was google best buy magnolia locations. The Best Buy website has a search feature that you can look at the clearance items of the stores.

I called the store, asked for the store manager, and told him I would like to purchase the 1010 that
he has in stock with my credit card and have it shipped to me. He put me on hold and got someone
to get the details and process the sale. It's that easy. (But probably too hard for the whiny guy though)

Ok now i'm stuck. In my journey to find a 1010 for around 600+tax, I've stumbled upon a rxa2000 for $740 + tax. Any suggestions?

Yeah, keep calling BestBuys for a RX-A1010. I was stunned how good it sounded at the store. The 2000 was a 3 year old model which may or may not sound as good. Why risk it? My final price was $645 shipped 2nd day air UPS. ($592 before shipping)

I bought the RX-A1010 about a month ago. It's the best receiver that I've owned. It sounds great.

Refurbish

Is there anything wrong with getting a refurbish RX-A2010?

It may not be 100% cosmetically perfect. Refurbished are typically customer DOA units. Customers are sometimes gorillas when they handle gear. DOA units are repaired and re-sold.

Why don't you take your favorite CD to BestBuy-Magnolia and demo the 1020 vs 2020 first. (Since they are just like the 1010/2010) Listen to them with the B&W CM9s. I found the 1010 just a bit better sounding than the 2010. The 1010 sound just a bit richer to me. Heck try out the Denon and Pioneer while you are there. I sure did. Someone reported they got a floor-model 1010 for $400 from BestBuy.. Report back what you think.

Hello all :-)

I have posted this question i the other Yamaha thread. May be this one is better. Sorry for double posting. Hope you dont mind too much.

"I see that the new line is out and that last year’s models are discounted many places, so I am contemplating going for last year’s A1010 since not much have changed. However I see that this year’s models are noted to sport 4K pass-through. I consider this somewhat important even if a have a feeling we might see at new HDMI revision in the near future, that might (or might not) be as incompatible as 1.3 to 1.4.

My question is this: Can the A1010 pass-through (I don’t care about up conversion) 4K or is it limited in some way that prevents it from being capable of such feat? Would it be better to wait for the A1020 to drop a little pricewise or du you think that ultimately it doesn’t matter as we most likely will see a new HDMI spec soon anyway?"

Dan

It's an interesting question because in theory the 1010 should do it today considering that it is HDMI 1.4 and 4K is in the 1.4 spec. On the other hand, I'd be surprised if a single user could verify this for you unless they had a HDMI signal generator and tester considering that there are essentially zero consumer sources of 4K content, transmission, or displays.

The folks with 4K content and projectors are probably using a little something beyond the A1010 in their setup.

Well that is sort of what I am thinking. As far as I understand the 1.4 spec. it should do 4K pass-through even if it is not listed in the A1010s spec. Sadly there is no way of testing it without a 4K display (that no one has, as of yet). I think I might as well hold on to my trusty Marantz a little longer. It’s doing just fine even if it’s almost eight years old. The main reason I wanted a new receiver is for the HDMI switching capability anyway, so it is a top priority that it won’t be obsolete within a year or two.

Dan

2010 unit and connecting the Dev Tech BP 2000??

I really am in need of some expert insight as to HOW to connect these speakers to this NEW reciever?

As you know these speakers have TWO subwoofers built into them, WHERE exactly do I connect each Sub into the Yamaha 2010?

I had to do something funky when connecting to my old Yamaha RX3000 and "Connect them" together......Now, that I have a Recieve that can handle 9:2 I would like to connect in the manner that is Best

any advice is greatly appreciated and please be as specific as possible, IF you have pictures of where to connect that would be great

THANKS

if i understand your question you will need to run both the sub 1 & sub 2 with y connectors at the speaker end, thus giving you the number of connections required.

so, are you saying take the Right and Left cables coming from each speaker sub and plug into a "Y connector"......then plug this Y Connector into the Single INPUT titles "Subwoofer in the 2010?

IF this is the case, why does each speaker have a "Right and Left" for each subwoofer? Wouldnt the expectation be that you would have this same input on the other end?
this is where I am getting confused and need as much detail as possible

this is what the back of the BP 2000 looks like, the top connection is for the sub, on the current Yamaha RX3000 I have this going into the PreOut Main "left"
I have another going into the "Right" as well from the other speaker

Since I posted a couple times looking for a good deal on either the 2010 or the 3010 thought I would let you all know I got a deal on a brand new in the box 3010 from Best Buy Magnolia in Springfield MO.
$1100 shipped. Not bad I suppose.

I got the RX-A2010 demo unit from Bestbuy for a great price. It didn't come with any accessories, but Yamaha sent me all the accessories free of charge. Customer service like that will keep me a Yamaha man. I finally got it setup and ran the YPAO setup and after it setup my speakers, it was smart enough to let me know I need to get speakers that go together (I've piece-mealed my current speakers, but have a complete set of Klipsch reference coming). I'm loving it so far.

what type of "Accessories" did they send you on that 2010 as I got one still in the factory box from best buy for $800.

QUESTION - When they tell us "Network" ......does this mean that we still need to GET the $99 network adaptor from them to make this "Network" work"? Might this be one of the accessories they sent you? (Then I need to request this)
Also, since the 2010 does not have Airplay ( and I woudl like it) do you have any idea IF I connect my Apple TV with Airplay on it whether or not this would work in the same manner?

as you can see, I havent been able to connect mine up yet!

your Yamaha 2010 has 2 sub out jacks so one for the left speaker and one for the right. i am un familiar with your speakers but you said they have 2 subs each so i assumed the speaker had 2 input jacks. from your picture it looks like there is only 1 sub input per speaker, so if this is the case a simple sub 1 to right speaker and sub 2 to left speaker should work.

I just picked up the last 2010 from the Issaquah, WA store on open box for $853. It had the big remote and that was it. I really just needed the receiver since I have the 2000 and all of its accessories. Is there anything else that I would need?

I did see that there was a 1010 for $497 open box if anyone is interested.
mike

* edit for spelling

You will need the power cord, YPAO mic and the big remote. The RJ45 network plug is already on the back of the unit. For Airplay, the Apple TV connected via HDMI works well.

ok, so since I got a completely NEW unit still in taped box I have everything, sounds like then my Airplay thru Apple TV will work the same as the 2020 works with Airplay built in? then the 2010 should have more on it then the 2020 without the 4k ?

yes, one sub in EACH front speaker
but, on the 2010 it states "Front and back", how do I make them both Front?

They sent me the big remote, the small remote (they call it the Simplified remote), YPAO mic, the FM and AM antennas and the owner's manual (paper manual which I wanted).

There are probably several ways you could connect those speakers, but if you have the gold bars connecting the low/mid/high inputs you shouldn't need to use a separate subwoofer input at all. Just make sure you tell the 2010 that you don't have a subwoofer (so it will send all bass including the LFE to the front speakers), then the internal crossover of the speakers will route the appropriate frequencies to each driver.

Bingo. Keep it simple. In the photo provided the bars are present connecting the LOW-MID-HIGH inputs.

Just picked up a 1010 from Best Buy for $638 including shipping and taxes. The stores in the state of IL seemed to be the most helpful, as every other store I found with it new in a box said that they couldn't ship it to me. There still are some great deals on all models out there. And they may even come down more if you ask.

Tool? If raising a skeptical brow with plenty good reason makes me a tool, call me TOOL MAN!!! LOL Up until that post no one had offered any examples of NIB, and now all I see is SOME Best Buys. Well SOME Circuit City stores when they were all over the place also made claims like demo items covered by full manufacturer's warranty on computers that had in fact been purchased, registered, and returned and the manufacturer was not willing to warranty them.

If Yam is willing to put full warranty on demo items that is their choice, but it kinda makes them look like the Hyundai of AV gear. My choice is not to buy anything but NIB, and given the way BB (and even Magnolia lately) does business, I wouldn't trust their word on it. It's common that mere skepticism leveled on brand threads, even when warranted, raises childish responses, after all it is the internet. It only makes it all the more obvious one should be careful not to believe everything they hear from those whom are brand biased.

So "tool" on with your jumbled together purchases while hoping you get all the required tools. LOL Yam may jump to toss you accessories from their endless spare parts bin of returned items, but their phone techs also don't even know what a DSP is. You actually have to ask for an upper tier person just to get around such inexcusable incompetence.

As for me, I plan to get busy after my warranty ends and "tool" together some AD op-amps to give this unit a more Pioneer sound. It's clear when you look at the hardware specs that Yam some time ago sold out to TI. Everything they use is Burr Brown this and Burr Brown that. Pioneer and Marantz both use AD, and the difference in sound is clear, esp in lower priced units.

Even if these claims mentioned with BB ARE legit NIB scenarios, it's too rare to expect it at any area BB stores. I happen to live in a fairly large city that has a high cost of living and does a LOT of AV sales. You just don't commonly see such items this late in the model year NIB at those prices. It's rare to even see them as open box or boxed demo clearance item sat Magnolia. So please, enough with the smug attitudes. Just the Google results on RX-A1010 should give you a clue that what you're claiming isn't as common as you're making it sound.
Edited by Hi Def Fan - 9/17/12 at 3:07pm

you can place the subs were ever you like, they say front and back because thats the best placement.