The "official" Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A710/810/1010/2010/3010 thread - Page 64

What are your level trims set to?

Zero is pretty frickin loud in most setups. Most likely, your starting to clip and introducing distortion.

My volume trims are at the default. I could of sworn when i initially got this receiver back in Decemember of 2011 i was able to drive them past zero without any distortion, but i could be wrong as i only did it once, since my speakers were going through the break-in procedure. But like i said i've been use pure direct mode, so the receiver by-passes all equalization.
Edited by ah_1014 - 10/25/12 at 2:04pm

You might have been listening to a source that wasn't as loud. Older CDs are mastered at a much lower level than the newer "louder is better" masters. My advice, don't look at the number, just listen. When its loud enough, then just enjoy it. Almost any amp/speaker combo can be driven to clipping quite easy and its usually at a lower volume than you might expect.

Actually, go into the Harmony setup on your computer and double check that the right commands are assigned to the left/right/up/down.

I confirmed with Yamaha tech support that there is a problem with SiriusXM, but only with some users. Anthony said that they haven't been able to reproduce the problem on their test units. But he said that Sirius has changed something on their end. And they have been receiving complaints for about 3 weeks.

He also said that they are working on Sirius, Pandora etc for the new xx20 Aventage line. Which is great, because I have a RX-A720 that drives my living room and my yard speakers.

Thanks for your input. When i get home tonight from work i'll do a few testing, first i'll run a test with my old sony speakers and see if the same thing happens or i can try with my old sony amp. I just want to make sure its not a speaker issue.

My RC-70's are too rear at this point to be giving me issues and i love them too much... I live in Canada by the way, so Vanns is not really an option for me, even though i really want to get 2 pairs of RC-10 before they go out of business, but i'm afraid of duty fees.

Quick question: Trying to play audio from AV3 input which is my cable box running hdmi to zone 3 speakers. Can't get any sound to zone 3 unless i put receiver into party mode. Works fine for pandora or ipod music. Any ideas?
Thanks for your time.

Zone 2 and 3 only support analogue audio (except in Party Mode as you've already discovered). Try running an analogue audio cable from your cable box to the receiver's AV3 input.

It's really a shame they didn't include another DAC or whatever was required in the RX-AXX10 line to make this functional. At least on the top two or three Aventage AVR's.

I have the RX-A2010 and find it annoying to have to turn on Party Mode when I want to listen to music through my Apple TV in my bathroom. I also have to go to the web control center to turn it on, because they left the Party Mode toggle out of the AV Control App.

Leaving out party mode does not make any sense, and should have been an update to the app. Also I thought having an AVR with network capability would allow for upgrades/updates for at least a couple of years. Same goes for the app. Still love my 2010, just a little disappointed with what could have been.

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I'm experiencing a similar problem while watching nonHD cable channels (verizon fios) . Sometimes the picture intermittently shuts down or completely turns black when changing channels. I never experienced this watching 3d and blue ray videos. Any idea if it has something to do with the video processing "on" on the set up? I tried turning off the video processing to "off" but no time to watch yet. I also found out that once i turn it off it is always off regrdless of source(DVD/Cable). Im not so familiar configuring "scene" set up and wondering if this will make a difference.

If this is something to do with the video processing, then maybe the option is just to turn off upscaling feature for cable tv and let the blue ray player do the upscaling for non blueray videos and thus making the a3010 processor useless:mad:

Think of your scenes as just saved configurations. You can save a scene for blu-ray watching that has video processing turned off, and save another scene for TV viewing that has the video processing on, Dolby PL IIx, etc... It's quite useful actually. Just don't forget to SAVE your current settings to your scene if you happen to change something.

I think the common factor for losing the HDMI handshake is the Yamaha. I have posed the same questions about losing the HDMI handshake to the Sharp 70" forum, and also the DirecTV DVR forums, and it seems like people with Yamaha or Denon AVR's are having this issue. It could also be the DirecTV box, or both! I doubt it's the TV, as I've power cycled it after it went blank, and it did not recover UNTIL I power cycled either the Yamaha or the DirecTV DVR. It's a bummer! Something is definitely wrong with HDMI somewhere in the chain...

I occasionally lose HDMI handshake lock for a second or so with some (but not all or even many) channels on my RX-A3000 but curiously not on my RX-A800. This happens with media boxes from current provider WOW and happened with former provider Insight. Maybe the best thing is just use component into the receiver.

It is indeed a bummer. My son is always complaining of theses problem watching his favorite cartoon channels which is not all offered in HD. He found out that completely turning off the a3010 and just usng the TV's audio eliminate the problem so i am sure that tv is not the problem nor the HDMI cables. Too bad i 'm way past the return policy. I hope others found the fix for this.

Anyways, i will try making different " scene" programs on my next day off and I hope it fix the problem. For now i disabled all the video processing but havent watch tv yet.

You mean componet video connnection between set top box and receiver ?

Hmm the Yamahas are HDMI certified and the Sharps are not.

Anyway if you are changing channels between resolutions you will usually have some delay as HDMI has to re-authenticate. it is a pain but that is life with HDMI. A way to get around it is to set you sat or cable box to a set resolution. That way the cable or sat box is doing the video processing. I don't usually recommend this method as the scaler in these boxes typically do a much worse job than most TVs or decent receivers.

For Yamaha receivers go into the advanced menu and change monitor check to skip and turn of processing in the regular menu. This will just pass along the signal. HDMi can be tricky for troubleshooting and the problem is not always the component they think it is. ANY receiver adds complexity to the signal path but it does not mean the receiver is the culprit. There are a LOT of comapnies that don't follow the HDMI specs. Here is some basic troubleshooting I wrote in another thread. We use Yamaha lall the time without problem.

HDMI troubleshooting. Get your system in one place, usually in the case of a projector you'll probably have to take it down and bring it close to your equipment. Test the system with short HDMI cable less than 2 meters (6 feet). If the system works and doesn't with your longer cables you have a cabling problem, period! Find a solution for it, either a different cable, HDMI signal restorer or a balun. Remove all port savers, wall plates, 90 degree adapters, etc. Each connection changes capacitance and may be the straw the breaks the camels back. A cable between devices is usually best.

If the system doesn't work with short cables then I'd look at an equipment problem either in the settings or a problem with the equipment. Although it is possible to have a bad short cable it is less likely. It might be a pain to take down the projector or move the other equipment but until you isolate the type of problem you are having you can spend a lot of time chasing your tale.

A quick test without moving equipment is to change the resolution of your equipment to 480P and see if you get a picture. If you do it is probably a cabling problem. If you don't it could still be the cable on the DDC line, so it doesn't rule it out. Putting all the equipment together and using short cables is the best diagnosing you can do without test equipment. This can't be stated enough.

Why do you say the Sharp TVs aren't HDMI certified? Do you have a resource I could read?

I will definitely try setting the Monitor Check to "SKIP". I hope it's as simple as that. My cables are all as short as can be, and the same brand, same style (24AWG CL2 Flat High Speed). When I watch content from my PS3 (through Yamaha of course), the TV never loses handshake (at least not yet). It could be the DirecTV box that is the culprit...

Thanks for the suggestions, BobL

Here is a resource but not always up to date. Some Sharps are but most Yamaha receivers are. I know the new ones are but aren't on the list yet. You will see the 10 series though. Many manufacturers choose not to get compliance testing done. It is not mandatory for them to do it.
http://www.digital-cp.com/hdcp_products

Is the issue only happening when changing channels of a different resolution?

Changed monitor check to skip in the advance setting but i left the video processing to on. I dont know if this will help with my current set up: TV: sharp elite 70prox5fd, AVR: Yamaha A3010, BDP: Sony BDP S590. Any input is highly appreciated. My a3010 firmware is 1.09 (I dont know if this is the latest firmware)

You would think that is how the Scene memory works, but in my experience (with my 3010), the Scene Memory will not change the Video Processing setting. I tried to set it up like that (off for BluRay, on for my Tivo feed, but it did not work. Unless I did something wrong, I could not get the Video Processing to change with the Scenes like that.

Yep, you did something wrong. You can save video processing on/off for scenes, as long as you assign that feature as configurable to the scenes. You'll have to consult your manual for more info, as the Yamaha menu isn't always so intuitive.

Edit: I looked it up for you. Page 102 in the manual, Scene Menu Items / Detail. "Selects items to be included as the scene assignments"

Thanks for the link, but that resource is for digital content protection (HDCP) certification only. It only applies to protecting digital content over DVI/HDMI, and not how much of the HDMI standard has been implemented by a device. According to the Sharp forum gurus, Sharp implements HDMI properly.

The problem does not happen when changing channels actually... the screen will just go blank in the middle of watching TV. I am leaning towards the DirecTV DVR being the culprit.

This happens to me too but not always.

HDCP is part of HDMI and it is the organization that certifies the testing and not just for the HDCP part of it. This website is actually done under Intel. Testing is done at many sites and report back to that site. It does take a while though. They all say they implement HDMI properly but few go through the compliance certification test as it is not rquired to bring a product to market. We have had some opportunites to see this testing and you'd be surprised at the number of products that aren't implemented properly. Cable tests are also very interesting. I have had these opportunites because I know friends in the business I used to work with 8b/10b many years ago. Which was the predecessor to DVI which we know HDMI is derived from.

What is the latest firmware for the A3010?

No, HDCP isn't part of HDMI. While the HDMI specification refers to it, HDCP is seperate standard created by Intel and can be used to protect many different kinds of connections, not just HDMI. The HDCP Compliance Test you refered to can in no way be considered the equivilent of a HDMI compliance test. Furthermore it's not even a HDCP certification, according the WWW site you linked, "successful completion of all tests for a given type of device does not earn or imply, directly or indirectly, any certification, endorsement or other statement of fitness for use".

HDMI compliance testing is done through a completely different process, and even then it "does not guarantee that any product will conform to the High-Definition Multimedia Interfaces, function correctly or interoperate with any other product."

Have you seen an HDMI product that doesn't have HDCP? The testing is all done at the same testing centers. I've been to the testing their testing products for the various aspects of HDMI not just HDCP. I guess it is possible that they only submit for HDCP and not do HDMI testing while there, usually it is the other way around if they submit for testing at all.

Your manual must be different from mine. I did finally find it on Page 107 of my manual. I'll have to play with it tonight. I've never seen that menu screen, so it must be non-intuitive, like you said. I never thought to go into the Load menu, but that seems to be where it is hidden if I'm reading the manual correctly.

You said that "Yamahas are HDMI certified and the Sharps are not", and this simply isn't true.

First, you can't assume that since a device has been sent to an approved test center (ATC) for HDCP complaince testing and passed that its must also have been sent to an ATC for HDMI compliance testing. Neither can you assume if a device hasn't been to sent to an ATC for HDCP testing that isn't hasn't been sent to an for HDMI testing. What you can assume is that both the Yahama and Sharp devices have passed HDMI and HDCP compliance testing. This testing is mandatory, they wouldn't be allowed to the sell the devices if they hadn't passed. What isn't mandatory is that they send the devices to an ATC, manufacturers can do the testing themselves if they prefer.

Second, neither HDMI nor HDCP compliance testing can be considered a form of certification. These compliance tests do not guarantee that the devices will interoperate like your claim of HDMI certification implies. The only HDMI/HDCP testing process I know of that includes interoperability testing is the third party Simplay HD and no recent Yamaha receiver nor any Sharp TV appears on their list of verified devices.

Manufacturers can have their own testing facilities like Panasonic and Sony do and are authorized test centers. I haven't seen Sharp or Yamaha on the list of manufacturers that are authorized testing centers. That doesn't mean they don't do their own internal testing it just means they are not an authorized testing center. I'm sorry if I mis-phrased the sentence. It should read the current Sharps are not on the list and last year's Aventage series are on it. Anyway, you are right we can't assume they get both testings done. I would HOPE if they submit a product for testing both tests are done.

Manufacturers definitely do not have to submit to this testing to bring a product to market, the chips inside them have been tested not the products themselves. It is one of the reasons there are a lot of poor implementations and HDMI problems exist. If everybody followed the rules there would be a lot less problems. Believe it or not HDMI works (cough, choke). Simplay is part of Silicon Image or vice versa I forget. But either way SI is who makes many of the HDMI chipsets. Simplay/SI operate many of the testing centers. I'm not sure if they are still considered third party since they operate the testing centers. Either way it is nice to know if a product has passed. The testing centers are not for consumers but for manufacturers.

Some of the problems I have been shown. EDID problems are common like TVs that report they accept 12 or 16 bit but don't. The chipset can handle it but not the video processor so it doesn't work. HDMI boards that are powered off other parts of the components and don't have regulated voltage going to them. For instance someone turns on the video processor in their receiver instead of bypass and they now lose signal because the HDMI port was powered off the video processor board and when the video processor is being used the voltage to the HDMI chips drop. Poor signal routing is another one with manufacturers that aren't well versed on digital signaling. The better companies have engineers that do just this. Sources that don't understand repeater settings with HDMI.

My friend which works a lot with this complains frequently about products that are out in the market and haven't been tested as these problems would be found in testing. I know some companies use work arounds to try and get their products to work with common equipment that isn't following HDMI spec, such as certain cable boxes. One such work around is the monitor skip in the Yamaha receivers.

HDMI should be easy for the consumers and that is how it is intended but we know real world implementation has not shown this. Sometimes the component you think is causing the problem isn't and troubleshooting is not easy without test equipment.