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post #1921 of 2855
I have a RX-A710 and have a delay from the main speekers to zone two that makes it impossible to use my zone two, anyone have this issue or know of a fix?
post #1922 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Sharpie70 View Post

What is the latest firmware for the A3010?

I believe it is 1.0.8

http://download.yamaha.com/search/detail/?language=en&site=usa.yamaha.com&asset_id=52807&category_id=16622&product_id=1551306&1351665075
post #1923 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Zone 2 and 3 only support analogue audio (except in Party Mode as you've already discovered). Try running an analogue audio cable from your cable box to the receiver's AV3 input.

Thanks, Will give this a try when I am playing with wires again.
post #1924 of 2855
Did a search and could not find any info. When I run YPAO calibration it does a pretty good job of setting up distances and levels for all speakers but the subwoofers. Even on my old Yamaha amp it always seems like it would set the sub on a really low volume to the point it wasn't really doing anything. I always have to go in and adjust the gain or the volume on the sub to get it to sound like its doing something. Has anyone else experienced this?
Also I noticed when running front + back sub setup in configuration it does not run the second sub during any 2 channel audio. I changed it to the monaural setting and both subs would play but the subwoofers sounded much different not just in volume but in the frequencies they were getting. After playing with output of both subs was not able to get the same sound out 2 as I did with 1. It seems as though there is something else the amp is doing when choosing monaural such as setting crossover completely different. Any thoughts?
Thanks again.
post #1925 of 2855
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Originally Posted by moneypitt View Post

I have a RX-A710 and have a delay from the main speekers to zone two that makes it impossible to use my zone two, anyone have this issue or know of a fix?
Not sure what exactly the issue is but I guess you are getting a delay which causes an echo when you turn on the same source in the second zone. If that is your issue, party mode will solve your problem. If that's not your issue, a little more detail may help someone solve your problem.
post #1926 of 2855
Party mode would solve the echo, but unfortunately the 710 doesn't have party mode (it's only on some of the higher models).

The problem is that zone 2 audio is analog only and doesn't get delayed by DSP processing like the main zone does. You can enabling Pure Direct mode, as that cuts out the delay for the main zone as well (unless it's some digital format that has to be decoded by the DSP).
post #1927 of 2855
I've had my 2010 since July and it really continues to amaze me with all the things it can do. I'm posting here because I like to have my cake and eat it too so I need some help working out a few annoyances with media streaming.

I'm not an apple guy but like most I have an Ipod so I use itunes on my Windows 7 machine to store/organize/create playlists/etc for all my audio. I've gotten to where I'm quite married to the damn program which is probably Apple's goal I'm sure. However, I have yet to find a way I'm totally satisfied with for streaming my itunes library to my receiver. Here's what I've done and here are my issues...

1) Stream library from PC via a DLNA media server program such as Twonky - This worked pretty well but Twonky would not read my smart playlists and it was glitchy. Sometimes it would only play one song at a time and then stop, and other times it would play two or three and then stop at which point you have to hit play again. Also, if I added a song to the itunes library to listen to right away it does not update to Twonky in a timely manner.

2) Stream library directly off Ipod touch using Yamaha's app - I have to say this works awesome and the Yamaha app is really slick! A+ rating there. However, this EATS battery life and it requires me to constantly keep my Ipod touch synced with my main Itunes library which I do not do very often. Not to mention it won't hold the whole library anyway. I'd like music to be available the second I download it to my PC.

3) Plug Ipod touch into receiver via USB and play via web interface from PC or Yamaha App on phone - This works great as well and solves the battery life issue but again I have to keep my Ipod touch constantly synced with my library which I don't do often (plus it can't hold the entire library) and it's unsightly having the USB cord hanging out of the front of the receiver.

So, what are my options? I want seamless streaming of my itunes library including playlists to my receiver and I want to be able to control it via the Yamaha App or receiver web interface. Before you say add Apple TV for airplay, I have 3 zones that I like to control the volume separately and I've heard that unless you enable party mode you can't get apple TV on Zone 2/3. Thoughts, advice, tell me to F off and quit nitpicking? Thanks
Edited by rockjeep44 - 11/1/12 at 8:53am
post #1928 of 2855
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Originally Posted by rockjeep44 View Post

So, what are my options? I want seamless streaming of my itunes library including playlists to my receiver and I want to be able to control it via the Yamaha App or receiver web interface. Before you say add Apple TV for airplay, I have 3 zones that I like to control the volume separately and I've heard that unless you enable party mode you can't get apple TV on Zone 2/3. Thoughts, advice, tell me to F off and quit nitpicking? Thanks
You are in luck.

You CAN individually adjust the volume in each zone separately using the receiver web interface in "Party Mode". The main volume still controls all zones but you can still go in and adjust each zone separately so they are louder/quieter (relatively) as the overall volume is adjusted.

The Remote app is a free download for your iPod touch that you can use to control an AppleTV. wink.gif
post #1929 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

You are in luck.
You CAN individually adjust the volume in each zone separately using the receiver web interface in "Party Mode". The main volume still controls all zones but you can still go in and adjust each zone separately so they are louder/quieter (relatively) as the overall volume is adjusted.
The Remote app is a free download for your iPod touch that you can use to control an AppleTV. wink.gif

What if I do not want a zone on at all...just mute it I guess? Also, I'd rather be able to control the Itunes streaming with the Yamaha app or web interface instead of the Apple TV app since I do not carry an Ipod around my house but I always have either my Android cell or android tab or Windows laptop in one of the rooms.
post #1930 of 2855
I may have found a solution. I really want to tap into the DLNA capability of the 2010 without having to introduce Apple TV or some other Apple product (other than itunes that I'm basically stuck with). I did a google searh for DLNA streaming from Itunes and after some reading I think this is the ticket
http://mediarover.com/index.php

Crossing my fingers, I'll play with this when I get home tonight and post my results. And, it's free.
post #1931 of 2855
Hi guys,

I am looking at picking one of the 710's up, found a new one on clearance for $340 all in. Is that a good purchase in your opinions before i pull the trigger?
post #1932 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Dillsnik View Post

Hi guys,
I am looking at picking one of the 710's up, found a new one on clearance for $340 all in. Is that a good purchase in your opinions before i pull the trigger?

That's a decent price I guess. Just keep in mind the 710 doesn't have any amp pre-outs, but the 810 and up models do.
post #1933 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Skerlnik View Post

That's a decent price I guess. Just keep in mind the 710 doesn't have any amp pre-outs, but the 810 and up models do.

If you can swing a little more, keep looking. I found my 1010 for only $50 more
post #1934 of 2855
question for the folks that have a a2010 model and could also apply to someone with an a3010 as the specs read the same hqv vida video processor

Instead of doing the hdmi passthrough from my panny bdt 210 to the receiver and then to the panny vt20 would it superior to have the a2010 process the video with it's HQV Vida video processor? I have tried it both ways while watching a several blu ray movies (prob works better as a scaler with a dvd flick but haven't done that yet) and seems be a bit sharper to my eyes.

has anyone else compared this functionality as I would be interested to see other's observations too
post #1935 of 2855
To all who purchased from Best Buy I did a phone order from a store in IL about 45 days ago for a a1010 new in a box. I was on their website looking at the open box items for that particular store. They had a a1010 for 447.99. I called the store and said the receiver was now being advertised at a lower price on the website hoping to save a few bucks. The sales associate informed that the price was now 447.99 and that he could credit me the difference bringing the total of my receiver to roughly $538 including 50bucks for shipping and taxes. If you're a silver premier reward zone member you get 60 days for price matches. I think it's 30 days for normal customers. The same store also has a2010 for 788.99. Hope this helps someone out. The store is the Northbrook IL store and here are the links for each.

http://stores.bestbuy.com/1165/open-box/music-mp3/home-audio/yamaha-aventage-network-av-home-theater-receiver-770-watt-72-channel-rx-a1010bl/RX-A1010BL/200001011513185/


http://stores.bestbuy.com/1165/open-box/music-mp3/home-audio/yamaha-aventage-network-av-home-theater-receiver-1260-watt-92-channel-rx-a2010bl/RX-A2010BL/200001023994985/
post #1936 of 2855
That's a great price. I bought my RX-A1010 for $999 back in August. I love it.
post #1937 of 2855
thanks for the advice guys! I actually just got back from a best buy that had the 810 as a floor model. So they knocked it down from $370 to $300! Super stoked, it looks pristine...can't wait to hook it up. They didn't have the original remote, but they gave me a remote that appears to be for a 2010 model. hope it is still of some use.

Also, they had a few mics in the drawer and one guy said it really didn't matter which one you use, but they had one that was from yamaha so i took that one.
post #1938 of 2855
Sounds like you got a great deal on the 810. I'm sure you will like it. I love mine so far, and was thrilled to get the price I did. It was an open box but y can't tell by looking at it. It was missing a couPle accessories but I've not needed them so far. Between the iPad app and the config utility that was suggested a little earlier in this thread I have it all covered.

Mike
post #1939 of 2855
The prices keep dropping. I keep thinking I should pick up another 2010. I signed up for price tracking:

http://camelcamelcamel.com/Yamaha-RX-A2010BL-9-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/product/B0056GJLJ4

post #1940 of 2855
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Originally Posted by runningman28 View Post

question for the folks that have a a2010 model and could also apply to someone with an a3010 as the specs read the same hqv vida video processor

Instead of doing the hdmi passthrough from my panny bdt 210 to the receiver and then to the panny vt20 would it superior to have the a2010 process the video with it's HQV Vida video processor? I have tried it both ways while watching a several blu ray movies (prob works better as a scaler with a dvd flick but haven't done that yet) and seems be a bit sharper to my eyes.
has anyone else compared this functionality as I would be interested to see other's observations too

Yes, I think most sources look better with processing on, Blu-ray might not need it. Depends on movie...

I have noticed that on some TV shows with horizontal or vertical patterns it can make aliasing worse, though.
post #1941 of 2855
Hi there,

Can somebody please help me ...

I have a Yamaha AVENTAGE 2010 receiver and I'm wondering if this is possible ?

I want to be able to use different **speaker levels** for different inputs

e.g. when I choose AV-input1 ... I want the center speaker to have the volume as -2.5 ( which is the av-input for my XBMC )
but for my Av-input2 I want the center speaker volume to be +3 ( which is the av-input for my DreamBox, used for football ... e.g. Sky Sports )

Is this possible ?

If this is possible ... please describe how I can set the different level of the center-speaker for the different inputs ...
I don't want to go to the manual-setup each time and tune the center-speaker manually !?

Kind regards,
post #1942 of 2855
Go to menu, input, and use the up button for the various inputs and there should be an option for that. I will double check when I get home on mine.
post #1943 of 2855
Hi,

I've already done that ...

When you've selected input and then "up" ... there are only two settings you can change:
* Rename / Icon Select
* Decoder Mode ( which is either Auto or DTS )

There's no option for individual speaker volumes ...

Any other ideas ?

Kind regards,
post #1944 of 2855
You can create two different speaker configurations or "patterns" ([On Screen] -> Setup -> Speaker -> Manual Setup -> Setting Patterns) and then recall them use the Scene buttons on the remote. By default scenes don't remember the speaker pattern setting, so you'll have to enable it for the particular scenes ([On Screen] -> Scene - > SceneX -> [Up] -> Load -> Detail -> Speaker Setup).

I gave more detailed instructions on how to do this in a previous post.
post #1945 of 2855
Thank you very much!
Works like a charm ... I'll use "Pattern1" for Inputs1-5 but "Pattern2" for the Sky Sports ( for live football, where I bump up the volume of the commentator with +6 ;-) ) smile.gif
post #1946 of 2855
I'm experiencing an issue with my RX-A800 which has existed ever since I bought the unit new last year. It's a very annoying issue and I've always thought it was just how audio over HDMI worked but I've been told recently by Yamaha that this is abnormal.

All my equipment is connected to the receiver via ethernet-capable HDMI cables. When I'm not playing any audio or video, the receiver shows "decoder off" on the front display of the unit. When I start playback of a DVD/blu-ray/media file, you can see the display switch from "decoder off" to whatever the audio source is - DTS, Dolby Digital, PCM, whatever. The problem is that during the second it takes the receiver to display the type of audio it's receiving, I'm not getting any audio. In other words, there is a delay between the time I start a disc or file playback, and when I actually hear the sound through the receiver. For instance, if I start playing an MGM blu-ray, and from the menu I select the movie to play, the MGM lion appears and roars - I miss the first second or so of the roar while the receiver switched from "decoder off" to "DTS" or whatever the audio happens to be. If I play a folder of music tracks from my media players or pc (also connected HDMI) I miss the first second of all the tracks, since in-between each track the receiver switched back to "decoder off", then back to "PCM" again.

This delay really ruins the whole experience of listening to music because of this. Yamaha says it's normal for the receiver to say "decoder off" when not playing any audio, but when I start playing a source with audio, it should pick it up instantly and there should be no delay at all. But ever since I first got this unit out of the box this has been happening. Is this an issue that is normal with audio over HDMI? Should it be taking this second before I hear the audio, or should it be instantaneous. If I connect these devices to my tv directly, instead of the receiver, and start playback, I get audio instantly, with no delay. In fact, as a test, I left my receiver off, and tried playing back some audio files from my pc with foobar2000 over the tv speakers. This is with my pc connected to the receiver via HDMI, and the receiver out to the tv via HDMI, but with the receiver off. There was zero delay - the audio starts instantly on my tv speakers As soon as I turn the receiver on and play the audio through the receiver's speakers, the first second gets cut off as always. So it must be the receiver has a delay when first picking up the audio for processing. Is this normal or do I have a problem I should have serviced?

To me, this seems like the receiver is just slow at detecting the audio, which is resulting in me losing the first second of audio. But if that's the case, then others here should be experiencing the same thing. There's nothing special about my setup. All my devices are connected directly to the receiver, with nothing in-between.
Edited by eagle_2 - 11/5/12 at 3:04pm
post #1947 of 2855
You're not the first person to complain about this, and I think a second or so interruption after changing audio formats (including from no audio format) is normal for Yamaha receivers. I think most people don't really notice it because a one second delay in starting something playing is considered acceptable, something they're used to from all sorts of things, and because a lot of devices don't need to switch formats when they begin playing.

You might try turing off bitstreaming in your Blu-Ray player and have it do all the decoding. This may prevent it from switching formats when you start a movie.

If you've configured foobar2000 to bypass the Windows Mixer then this would cause format changes and the audio interuptions you noticed.
post #1948 of 2855
I updated my system with a RX-A810 this weekend. I have a blu ray player and Comcast DVR connected by HDMI and have everything up and running good. My TV is an older Mitsubishi 65" projection set that doesn't accept 720p or 1080p. So, I have the HDMI output fixed to 1080i and thats working out. Before fixing the output, I wasn't able to see anything from sources like net radio, pandora, FM radio... that are built into the receiver. I thought I had it all set up, but I am having one issue and I think it is related to my Comcast dvr. It's a Motorola box, the black dual tuner model. If I switch to an internal source, such as pandora or net radio and then switch to hdmi 2 (comcast dvr) the video sometimes doesn't show up, sometime the video shows up but is very washed out, like the brightness is cranked way up. If I cycle the dvr through outputs and back around to 1080i it will clear up and look right again. I can also switch over to hdmi 1 and bring up the blu ray player, then switch back to hdmi 2 and the dvr looks correct. If I switch to hdmi 1 and the blu ray player is not on, I get the yamaha splash screen and when I switch back to hdmi 2 to watch the dvr, it is still washed out. I hope this makes some sense to someone, I know its odd and I haven't seen anyone else post with the same problem. The problem only comes up on the dvr input. The blu ray input always looks good. I suppose I could switch the inputs around and see if the problem stays with the input or follows the source. I have a feeling it's the source. It could be as simple as a bad hdmi cable, but It doesn't seem like it since cycling the dvr out format fixes the issue. Also, when I switch from another input to the dvr input, the screen blinks and flashes like it did when I used an external hdmi switch and also the dvr box display flashed from the clock to du1. Anyone seen this type issue? Another solution I can try is to switch to an AV input and use component cables and an optical audio cable, but that kind of defeats the purpose of upgrading.
post #1949 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

You're not the first person to complain about this, and I think a second or so interruption after changing audio formats (including from no audio format) is normal for Yamaha receivers. I think most people don't really notice it because a one second delay in starting something playing is considered acceptable, something they're used to from all sorts of things, and because a lot of devices don't need to switch formats when they begin playing.
You might try turing off bitstreaming in your Blu-Ray player and have it do all the decoding. This may prevent it from switching formats when you start a movie.
If you've configured foobar2000 to bypass the Windows Mixer then this would cause format changes and the audio interuptions you noticed.

Thanks for the reply. I belive I might have asked about this a while back when I first started looking into it so I'm not sure if you're just remembering my questions about this from before, or if others have actually asked about this.

At any rate, so then the best way to avoid this delay would be to disable bitstreaming? Can I do this for sources with Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio? I have a Panasonic blu-ray player - is it possible for a blu-ray player to decode those formats or isn't that usually done in the receiver?

It's annoying enough when playing a movie, but it can be ignored since it only happens when you first start the film. But when it does it inbetween each audio track when the player stops and starts the audio signal again between tracks - well that just kills my enjoyment because it totally ruins the flow of music, especially for tracks that are meant to flow together without gaps.

This is why I asked Yamaha if this was expected behavior for their receivers, and the guy said no, it wasn't. He said there shouldn't be any delay whatsoever. I'm leaning towards believing you more at this point. Well everybody in here has a Yamaha receiver, right? Do others in here get that first second of audio cut off when bitstreaming their audio from their media players or blu-ray players? I can't be the only one.
post #1950 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Silly Rabbit View Post

I updated my system with a RX-A810 this weekend. I have a blu ray player and Comcast DVR connected by HDMI and have everything up and running good. My TV is an older Mitsubishi 65" projection set that doesn't accept 720p or 1080p. So, I have the HDMI output fixed to 1080i and thats working out. Before fixing the output, I wasn't able to see anything from sources like net radio, pandora, FM radio... that are built into the receiver. I thought I had it all set up, but I am having one issue and I think it is related to my Comcast dvr. It's a Motorola box, the black dual tuner model. If I switch to an internal source, such as pandora or net radio and then switch to hdmi 2 (comcast dvr) the video sometimes doesn't show up, sometime the video shows up but is very washed out, like the brightness is cranked way up. If I cycle the dvr through outputs and back around to 1080i it will clear up and look right again. I can also switch over to hdmi 1 and bring up the blu ray player, then switch back to hdmi 2 and the dvr looks correct. If I switch to hdmi 1 and the blu ray player is not on, I get the yamaha splash screen and when I switch back to hdmi 2 to watch the dvr, it is still washed out. I hope this makes some sense to someone, I know its odd and I haven't seen anyone else post with the same problem. The problem only comes up on the dvr input. The blu ray input always looks good. I suppose I could switch the inputs around and see if the problem stays with the input or follows the source. I have a feeling it's the source. It could be as simple as a bad hdmi cable, but It doesn't seem like it since cycling the dvr out format fixes the issue. Also, when I switch from another input to the dvr input, the screen blinks and flashes like it did when I used an external hdmi switch and also the dvr box display flashed from the clock to du1. Anyone seen this type issue? Another solution I can try is to switch to an AV input and use component cables and an optical audio cable, but that kind of defeats the purpose of upgrading.


Update - I tried swapping HDMI 1 and 2 and the problem follows the dvr. I tried a different HDMI cable and it didn't help. Also noticed while swapping cords around, the issue happens. When the cable is reconnected, it does the handshake thing, the screen flickers, the cable box flashes dvi, then I get audio and video. 90% of the time, the video is washed out. Prior to this receiver, I used a HDMI switch and didn't have this issue.
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