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post #1951 of 2855
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

At any rate, so then the best way to avoid this delay would be to disable bitstreaming? Can I do this for sources with Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio? I have a Panasonic blu-ray player - is it possible for a blu-ray player to decode those formats or isn't that usually done in the receiver?

I haven't heard of any Blu-Ray player that can't decode these formats. I can't gurantee that it'll solve your problem, but it's worth a try.
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But when it does it inbetween each audio track when the player stops and starts the audio signal again between tracks - well that just kills my enjoyment because it totally ruins the flow of music, especially for tracks that are meant to flow together without gaps.

Is this with foobar2000? Most audio players won't do this, as Windows will mix together the sound from all applications and output it at in a fixed audio format. What version of Windows are you using? Things were a bit different with Windows XP.

Another possible solution that'll work with any stereo source is to use analogue audio. There's no format changes this way so you won't get any interruptions.
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I'm leaning towards believing you more at this point. Well everybody in here has a Yamaha receiver, right? Do others in here get that first second of audio cut off when bitstreaming their audio from their media players or blu-ray players? I can't be the only one.

I can reproduce this problem by deliberately changing the output format Windows uses in the middle of a song, but otherwise I don't encounter it because my devices don't switch format all that often.
post #1952 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Silly Rabbit View Post

Update - I tried swapping HDMI 1 and 2 and the problem follows the dvr. I tried a different HDMI cable and it didn't help. Also noticed while swapping cords around, the issue happens. When the cable is reconnected, it does the handshake thing, the screen flickers, the cable box flashes dvi, then I get audio and video. 90% of the time, the video is washed out. Prior to this receiver, I used a HDMI switch and didn't have this issue.

I had problem with my verizon fios motorola cable box/A3010/sharp elite using hdmi cable before. Picture sometimes shut down for a few seconds. The problem was fix after i turned off SD override under video settings of motorola cable box. You may want to try this and report back if it helps.
post #1953 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

I haven't heard of any Blu-Ray player that can't decode these formats. I can't gurantee that it'll solve your problem, but it's worth a try.
Is this with foobar2000? Most audio players won't do this, as Windows will mix together the sound from all applications and output it at in a fixed audio format. What version of Windows are you using? Things were a bit different with Windows XP.
Another possible solution that'll work with any stereo source is to use analogue audio. There's no format changes this way so you won't get any interruptions.
I can reproduce this problem by deliberately changing the output format Windows uses in the middle of a song, but otherwise I don't encounter it because my devices don't switch format all that often.

The thing is even if I send decoded PCM audio, I still get the audio cut off. Anytime the receiver display changes from "decoder off" to anything else, I lose that first second of audio. Doesn't matter what kind of audio I send it, or from where. This may not happen with optical or analog cables, I don't know, but really I want to use HDMI for all my connections.

I was using foobar2000 with my windows7 machine. The audio plays instantly over my tv speakers, through HDMI, and connected to my receiver, as long as the receiver is off and I select my Samsung tv under sound>playback devices. If I turn on my receiver and have Windows re-detect the connected devices, and then select my tv again under sound>playback devices, then the sound gets cut off at the beginning over the receiver's speakers. I've never heard the receiver immediately play any audio, ever, since I've owned it, without that first second of dropped audio. If this is normal with HDMI and Yamaha, why couldn't they have been honest and tell me that when I called them twice about it? Instead they're telling me that should never happen, and I should get it serviced. I really have no desire to disconnect everything I own for electronics, drive almost 50 miles to my nearest repair facility, drop it off, go 2 weeks without my receiver, and have to drive back again to get it, just for them to tell me there's nothing wrong with it.

I get the gut feeling that these Yamaha receivers aren't quick enough to pick up audio over HDMI - they take a second to receive the signal, identify it, and switch over. I used to think maybe there's some "mode" or setting I need to disable or enable to bypass this automatic switching mode, but I've been all through the settings a dozen times and I can't find anything that has helped.

What I did find is that the only way to avoid that first second of missing audio is to use a device that keeps a PCM connection open inbetween tracks. This doesn't work well for movies and video files unfortunately, since, for instance, when you insert a DVD or blu-ray, the menu may have no audio encoding or at, or it may have stero, or surround, but then when you start the film, you get warning and disclaimers which have no audio, so then the receiver says "decoder off" inbetween, then when it starts the movie itself the audio switches again to the correct audio stream, again causing the first second of audio to get ignored by the receiver.

But this does work for audio tracks - if your player keeps a PCM audio connection and doesn't drop it between tracks. For instance, with my Panasonic player, If I plug in a USB flash drive, with flac or mp3 tracks, when I first load the tracks on screen, the receiver says "decoder off". So when I first start the first track I want, I miss the first second. But when I stop playback, the Panasonic blu-ray player leaves the PCM connection open to the receiver - because evn though no files are playing, the receiver still says "PCM". So now when I start another track, I hear it instantly, no lost audio. On the other hand, My Micca EP950 media player cuts the audio connection inbetween tracks, even if it's just smoothly switching from one track to the next track in the folder. This means that as the player switches from one track to the next, it very briefly drops the connection and restarts it for the next track, causing the receiver to display "decoder off", then back to "PCM" again, causing me to lose 1 second of audio off each track as it switches.

So really this just seems like how this Yamaha receiver is. It's sad that Yamaha can't just admit to this when I ask. Most devices I know seem to drop the audio connection when there is no playback - my blu-ray player is the only device that seems to keep the connection open between audio tracks.
Edited by eagle_2 - 11/5/12 at 9:46pm
post #1954 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Sharpie70 View Post

I had problem with my verizon fios motorola cable box/A3010/sharp elite using hdmi cable before. Picture sometimes shut down for a few seconds. The problem was fix after i turned off SD override under video settings of motorola cable box. You may want to try this and report back if it helps.

I gave it a shot and change 4:3 override to off and still have the same issue. I only get 1080i and I don't think I get any audio from cable that isn't covered by using optical, so I switched from HDMI to Component and optical. All works smooth and switching inputs is much quicker.
post #1955 of 2855
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

The thing is even if I send decoded PCM audio, I still get the audio cut off. Anytime the receiver display changes from "decoder off" to anything else, I lose that first second of audio. Doesn't matter what kind of audio I send it, or from where. This may not happen with optical or analog cables, I don't know, but really I want to use HDMI for all my connections.

It won't happen with analog cables because the receiver can't tell, but it'll happen with optical cables on any receiver. Because of the way SPDIF works switching audio formats requires the receiver to resynchronize and try to figure out what the new format is. My old Sony HDMI-less receiver had this behaviour with SPDIF audio.
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I was using foobar2000 with my windows7 machine. [...] I've never heard the receiver immediately play any audio, ever, since I've owned it, without that first second of dropped audio.

You really shouldn't encounter this problem with Windows. My Windows 7 PC begins sending blank PCM audio through HDMI as soon as it detects the presence of my receiver. By the time I start any sort of application that actually outputs any sound (eg. Winamp) there's no dropped audio because there's no format change. If you've configured foobar2000 to bypass the Windows Mixer (eg. using ASIO or WSAPI instead) this may be the cause of your problem.
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If this is normal with HDMI and Yamaha, why couldn't they have been honest and tell me that when I called them twice about it? Instead they're telling me that should never happen, and I should get it serviced.

The person you were talking to likely knows nothing about Yamaha receivers. If your question isn't listed on his computer, he won't have a script to follow and he won't be able to give you any better advice than to have your receiver serviced.
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On the other hand, My Micca EP950 media player cuts the audio connection inbetween tracks, even if it's just smoothly switching from one track to the next track in the folder. This means that as the player switches from one track to the next, it very briefly drops the connection and restarts it for the next track, causing the receiver to display "decoder off", then back to "PCM" again, causing me to lose 1 second of audio off each track as it switches.

I'd say your media player is badly designed, there's no reason for it do this. Try changing it's HDMI Output setting LPCM or LPCM Multi-Ch and see if that helps. If not then I'd suggest using analogue audio cables, you can run them in addition to HDMI cables and when listening to music select the analogue audio with [Option] -> Audio Select -> Analog.
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So really this just seems like how this Yamaha receiver is. It's sad that Yamaha can't just admit to this when I ask. Most devices I know seem to drop the audio connection when there is no playback - my blu-ray player is the only device that seems to keep the connection open between audio tracks.

I don't think it's just Yamaha receivers. Both my LG TV and Panasonic TV also take a second to adjust to HDMI audio format changes. It might be that you haven't noticed with this your TV because like most TVs it only supports a very limited number of audio formats and so forced your devices to stick to one format and not drop the audio connection.
post #1956 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

You really shouldn't encounter this problem with Windows. My Windows 7 PC begins sending blank PCM audio through HDMI as soon as it detects the presence of my receiver. By the time I start any sort of application that actually outputs any sound (eg. Winamp) there's no dropped audio because there's no format change. If you've configured foobar2000 to bypass the Windows Mixer (eg. using ASIO or WSAPI instead) this may be the cause of your problem.

Interesting. How would I check that ? Where in preferences, do you know off-hand? I haven't touched anything in the preferences, but I do use Shark007 codecs on my Windows 7 machine and I know that can affect audio settings in general. I wish I knew how to get windows 7 to send out blank PCM like yours does.


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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

I'd say your media player is badly designed, there's no reason for it do this. Try changing it's HDMI Output setting LPCM or LPCM Multi-Ch and see if that helps. If not then I'd suggest using analogue audio cables, you can run them in addition to HDMI cables and when listening to music select the analogue audio with [Option] -> Audio Select -> Analog.

Actually I already did try selecting LPCM and LPCM Multi-channel and it did not help. The media player is most certainly badly designed - it's an 1186 player and it's packed with issues, which is a shame because in some ways it's awesome and it has tons of potential. I'll try connecting it via analog cables for music playback. I do have a few nice albums though in multi-track surround that unfortunately I won't be able to hear in surround over the analog cables. I guess for those I'll just have to live with the audio cut-out at the beginning.

Thanks a ton for the info. I guess it's good news that my receiver doesn't seem to need service then - I was pretty sure it didn't since it was like this since the day I bought it new. I guess the solution is to find a media player that outputs a constant blank PCM signal so that anything PCM won't get cut off.
post #1957 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Silly Rabbit View Post

I gave it a shot and change 4:3 override to off and still have the same issue. I only get 1080i and I don't think I get any audio from cable that isn't covered by using optical, so I switched from HDMI to Component and optical. All works smooth and switching inputs is much quicker.

Glad you sort it out.
post #1958 of 2855
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Interesting. How would I check that ? Where in preferences, do you know off-hand? I haven't touched anything in the preferences, but I do use Shark007 codecs on my Windows 7 machine and I know that can affect audio settings in general. I wish I knew how to get windows 7 to send out blank PCM like yours does.

Sorry, I was mistaken. Windows 7 isn't sending blank PCM for me immediately after detecting my receiver, this only happens after playing something for the first time. Some sort of system sound must have fooled me. Windows does however keep sending silent audio afterwards until either it doesn't detect my receiver anymore or it blanks the screen.

If you're only get a drop out the first time you try to play song with foobar2000 then you're getting the same behaviour as me.
post #1959 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Sorry, I was mistaken. Windows 7 isn't sending blank PCM for me immediately after detecting my receiver, this only happens after playing something for the first time. Some sort of system sound must have fooled me. Windows does however keep sending silent audio afterwards until either it doesn't detect my receiver anymore or it blanks the screen.
If you're only get a drop out the first time you try to play song with foobar2000 then you're getting the same behaviour as me.

Strange. That's how my Panasonic blu-ray player is. It sends blank PCM audio after the first file is played but not before.

Foobar2000 doesn't send blank audio out for me, even after I play a file. I tried that already - I clicked several times on different files, and every time I start playback I get the same missing audio at the beginning.
post #1960 of 2855
The only way I've been able to get around this issue is by connecting another group of cables for analog. I was looking at the manual and I noticed that there is an option for selecting decoding method for HDMI inputs. Unfortunately it's extremely limited, with just 2 options - auto, and DTS. If only there was an option for PCM, this wouldn't be an issue.

I called Yamaha and told them about this issue, and that a simple choice of selecting PCM decoding manually would solve this issue, and he sounded like he couldn't care less. I was being friendly, and just asked that they consider adding this to their recommendations for future receivers, and he was basically saying "most people would just want auto anyways, so it probably won't ever happen".

Really? I told him that most people who are buying these advanced receivers certainly are able to figure out how to select between auto and manual. And since they already included an option to manually select DTS, his argument doesn't even make sense. Why not just allow PCM as another manual option? Like I told him, I owned receivers 15 years ago that were much more basic and yet never gave me this type of audio delay just because of auto-detecting the audio signals. Like I said, he really didn't seem to care. But then I think we're all used to that attitude by companies.

Shame that companies are so deaf and blind. They refuse to listen to helpful suggestions by customers, like they know it all. Yet my $800 receiver can't receive audio without cutting off the first 2 seconds unless I connect it by analog. A simple PCM audio mode option for HDMI inputs would solve this problem, but they're just not interested.
post #1961 of 2855
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Originally Posted by MAGHUNTER View Post

Can someone try any 1.fm stations on net radio and let me know if they work. I keep getting "access error" but can connect to all other stations. They work fine on my denon receiver. I have the 2010. Thanks.
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I just tried, and for whatever reason I am unable to access any net radio. Just get timeout errors.

Hi,
Getting exactly same access error message as you.
Did either of you ever manage to sort this out? Running into the same issue for last two weeks and battling to find any other mention of the error online. Called local Yamaha support and they claim not to know anything about it.

I can connect to 1.fm stations via multiple PC on the same LAN without issues.
Other stations on Yamaha seem to work fine.

Prefer 1.fm stations so would like to resolve this.
post #1962 of 2855
Just to let everybody know that v1.12 firmware is available (at least here in the UK - so I assume the rest of Europe) don't know about USA

You have to send a request to Yamaha via their support page:- (not as far as I'm aware available for download via network connection yet)

http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx-a2010_g/?mode=model

Just click on 'contact us' then click on 'inquiry' - they got back to me in less than 24hrs

I was informed the changes were "The firmware update 1.12 contains updates to the operation of the YPAO set up system and OSD and Dolby Digital 2.1 playback"

I can confirm that it has fixed a bug present (on my RX-A2010) with v1.08 (not present with v1.06) were you couldn't save settings IF you started YPAO procedure by first plugging in mic.
post #1963 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Nuno C View Post

Hi,
Getting exactly same access error message as you.
Did either of you ever manage to sort this out? Running into the same issue for last two weeks and battling to find any other mention of the error online. Called local Yamaha support and they claim not to know anything about it.
I can connect to 1.fm stations via multiple PC on the same LAN without issues.
Other stations on Yamaha seem to work fine.
Prefer 1.fm stations so would like to resolve this.

Just tried again and still not working. All other stations connect just fine. I too prefer the 1.fm stations though. Still a bummer!
post #1964 of 2855
Is there a way to delete unused sources on the 2010 or 3010 so that when one turns the source knob the unused ones don't just show up?
post #1965 of 2855
Nope. The expectation is that you'll primary use the remote to switch inputs.
post #1966 of 2855
yamaha 2010--any way to get back speaker channels from DD5.1

I posted this as a separate thread but received no answers so I'm posting it in this thread which may get more reads.

I have a large room, 28' long and 15' wide with a 9.2 speaker configuration. I sit 14' from the front and get much more expansive sound with both side and rear speakers active.

With a DD 5.1 soundtrack in dvd, the many sound fields on the Yamaha allow for front presence + fronts, center and side speakers and subs. I could not find a way to get the rear wall speakers active unless I am able to switch the soundtrack to stereo. Then the Movie modes all use the 9.2 speakers.

DPL IIx is not available to overlay on the DD soundtrack as it was with my Onkyo. I would rather have the rear wall speakers active than the front presence speakers in this case.

Is there anything I am overlooking other than trying to use just a stereo soundtrack? I have been doing this with my Roku Netflix and Amazon movies.

There is no problem with a DTS Master HD soundtrack as all speakers are active in all of the sound fields.

Thanks.

Shelly
post #1967 of 2855
Try [Option] -> EXTD Surround -> PLIIxMo.
post #1968 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Try [Option] -> EXTD Surround -> PLIIxMo.

That's what I was looking for. I forgot about the Option menu. Thanks.

Shelly
post #1969 of 2855
Anyone using remote ID 2???

If so, how do you get the discrete IR codes/commands for power for remote ID 2?
post #1970 of 2855
Hello all,

A silly question for what I hope there is a very straight forward answer.

I have a Yamaha RX-A710 and wish to stream music wirelessly from my phone. I have installed the Yamaha phone software to allow this, however unable to pick-up any connection to the AVR.

Am I right in saying I need to purchase some kind of wireless bridge to do this ?

If yes, can anyone recommend the best options available ? I fumbled my way across the Apple Airport Express however unsure if I am on the right track or not....

Many thanks in advance,

Lachie
post #1971 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Nope. The expectation is that you'll primary use the remote to switch inputs.

Dang. I actually really like that on the 3312 I am comparing those against. It makes it easy not to need a remote for this. Thanks for the answer!
post #1972 of 2855
There's also four scene buttons under the front panel cover that you can use to select inputs.
post #1973 of 2855
The scene buttons are a good idea...

Do you know if the A2010/A3010 have something equivalent to Audyssey's Dynamic EQ? I cannot figure that out (I think Dynamic DRC is like Dynamic Volume but not EQ). I was watching a movie at low volume at night on a Denon and Dynamic EQ was pretty awesome to bring the surrounds back. I'd love to have that experience at night when kids are in bed.
post #1974 of 2855
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Originally Posted by LachieR View Post

I have a Yamaha RX-A710 and wish to stream music wirelessly from my phone. I have installed the Yamaha phone software to allow this, however unable to pick-up any connection to the AVR.
Am I right in saying I need to purchase some kind of wireless bridge to do this ?
If yes, can anyone recommend the best options available ? I fumbled my way across the Apple Airport Express however unsure if I am on the right track or not....

There's no built-in wireless networking in your receiver so you'll need to use the Ethernet port on the back to connect the receiver to your home network. If you can't run a wired connection to your receiver you can use a wireless bridge. An Airport Express can act as wireless bridge, but there are cheaper options if you don't already have one.
post #1975 of 2855
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Originally Posted by LachieR View Post

I have a Yamaha RX-A710 and wish to stream music wirelessly from my phone. I have installed the Yamaha phone software to allow this, however unable to pick-up any connection to the AVR.
Am I right in saying I need to purchase some kind of wireless bridge to do this ?
If yes, can anyone recommend the best options available ? I fumbled my way across the Apple Airport Express however unsure if I am on the right track or not....
Many thanks in advance,
Lachie

Your RX-A710 has to be connected to a local area network (i.e. Router) for music streaming to work in the Yamaha App. Either via Ethernet, or with a wireless bridge.

If you have an Airport Express, this may be the simplest way. Unless you want other network audio from your AVR like Sirius Internet Radio, Pandora, etc. Then you would still need to connect your AVR to your home network. PM me if you need more help.

post #1976 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Dr. Crash View Post

The scene buttons are a good idea...
Do you know if the A2010/A3010 have something equivalent to Audyssey's Dynamic EQ? I cannot figure that out (I think Dynamic DRC is like Dynamic Volume but not EQ). I was watching a movie at low volume at night on a Denon and Dynamic EQ was pretty awesome to bring the surrounds back. I'd love to have that experience at night when kids are in bed.

Go to the option menu, and turn on Adaptive DRC. May not be good enough to keep the kids asleep, but it's a start.
post #1977 of 2855
I've done that. I am not worried about waking the kids up that much... I've been listening to music from my bedroom when the speakers are in the living room and gotten no complaints (my room is the farthest away). But sometimes at night it's nice to just watch a movie quietly... Maybe it's my mood, maybe it's because it's at night. And it's even nicer if the surrounds don't just disappear because you're watching quietly. It's the one thing I miss on the Yamaha. For everything else, from intelligent amp assigns to DSP modes that actually do sound good, to phenomenal connectivity compared to the Denons... It's nicer. But at the end of the day it's about listening when you do want to listen.
post #1978 of 2855
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Originally Posted by CaptainVideoJW View Post

If you have an Airport Express, this may be the simplest way. Unless you want other network audio from your AVR like Sirius Internet Radio, Pandora, etc. Then you would still need to connect your AVR to your home network. PM me if you need more help.

The Airport Express will provide everything needed: if it connects to the main network wirelessly its Erhernet port becomes a LAN port and one can plug the AVR into it. For $70-$85 (G vs N, refurb) this is perfect.
post #1979 of 2855
I've been told not to worry about the Ohm setting on my 1010, that I should leave it at 8 no matter the speaker.
I' ve ordered mains that are rated at 4 Ohms and a 10watt minimum requirement.
The question is should I be considering a seperate amp now, after I get the matching center or not at all?
I won't be listening at reference levels but will be using the for 7 channel HT as much as 2 channel listening in a 2100 cu ft room.
post #1980 of 2855
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Originally Posted by brwsaw View Post

I've been told not to worry about the Ohm setting on my 1010, that I should leave it at 8 no matter the speaker.

Who told you not to worry about the impedance setting of the amplifier??

The rest of your post wasn't that clear. Sorry

But I think you should set the amplifier to 6 ohms. See page 16 of your manual.
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