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post #2011 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Blondas View Post

I am looking for new front speakers for my RX-A2010.
So far it plays with old Dali 104, a fine pair of speakers but there are some minuses: poor bass, somehow dull and not melodical (in all kinds of music that I listen, jazz, classical, rock), irritating middle tones in rock music, like Red Hot Chilli Peppers, The Cult, you can place some sounds coming exactly from the speakers rather than from a musical scene (you can feel their presence in other words). What I like is their selectivity, I can pinpoint individual instruments, they are quite pleasant in acoustic music, wonderful brasses, drums etc.
So what I would expect from new speakers is quite strong bass background, but with well heard individual sounds (bass guitar for example), good 3D scene, a bit on the softer side. Rather clear sound (selectivity). I did some searching and came up with a selection of speakers: monitor audio rx8, focal 816v, b&w 683 or B&W CM9/CM8; PSB Image T6 or Synchrony 1, Klipsch RF-82 II, Oli Roth 50, Dynaudio Excite X32, Spendor A5, KEF Q700 or Q900. Do you have some personal experience with some of these speakers and could share your opinion? On saturday I am going to demo B&W 683 and CM9, but they do not have any of the remaining ones. They have Elac though.
And second thing, does subwoofer really add a lot to music? I wonder if I can live without one (in movies I could live without it). Of course I am going to test some, possibly B&W ASW610 that they have in the store.
My room is quite large (45 square meters, but a 1: 2 rectangle rather than a square), and guite high (3.5 meters).

I think demoing speakers like you're planning to do is your best bet. I have a full set of 7 Klipsch Reference speakers (including RF-62 II's) and they sound natural, clean, and very melodic mated to my RX-A3010. I did set my EQ to Natural, and that definitely sounds great to me. The bass response from the RF-62's actually surprised me at first. I wasn't expecting so much sound from 6.5" drivers, but they really kick. After installing some acoustic panels, and a bass trap in my room, the sound is even cleaner, which I didn't think possible. I plan to add at least 2 subwoofers (probably 18" drivers) to the mix as well to complete the frequency coverage, and to reduce the demand on my front LR. I don't think I can live without a sub. There is so much low end content you're not hearing if you don't have a sub! I primarily listen to movies, TV, and music (I play bass guitar with the system in 9 channel audio).

I think the Yamaha sounds great with the Klipsch reference line, but I haven't had your other selections in my home for comparison cool.gif
post #2012 of 2855
Hello all. I just recently got a great deal on a rxa 710. I had bought a 573 and have had it for a couple of weeks and have been enjoying it immensely but seeing that the 710 is technically 4 models above that I and I was able to save myself 300 some dollars compared to the 573 I couldn't pass it up. Yes I am aware that the 710 is last years model but really I'm just missing 4k pass through and it's not like I'm going to be using that feature anytime soon lol. I'm glad to be a part of the Yamaha club! When I first started out on this adventure I bought a Sony strdh820, enjoyed the SQ but heard that Sony's aren't exactly highly regarded receivers and started second guessing myself so I ended up getting a Pioneer vsx-921. Had that for about a year and even after getting into using an SPL meter after running MCACC that it was just flat with weak surround sound immersion. I actually wanted a 571 from the get go but it was out of my price range at the time. So anyway I just had a few questions for those that have the 710/810 or are familiar with them as compared to my 573 which will be returned most likely tomorrow. I noticed with the 573 you can rename the HDMI1/HDMI2 etc, to basically anything you want. Now I only had a chance to glance over the manual for the 710 so far and go through the settings a few times but I'm not seeing this option anywhere, am I missing something?? I also have a question about decoding. In the 710 manual under Extended Surround for auto it states "Automatically selects the most suitable decoder if a flag for reproducing surround back channel is present and reproduces the signals in 6.1 or 7.1 channel. When the DTS or DTS-HD signal is input, the unit reproduces the signal in 7.1 channel regardless of a flag for surround back channel." Now in the 573 manual under this same title it states "Automatically selects the most suitable decoder if signals that contain surround back channel signals are input, and reproduces the signals in 6.1 or 7.1 channel. If two surround back speakers are connected the unit reproduces the 5.1 channel signals into 7.1 channel." So what this seems to mean in practice is say I'm playing RE6 on my Xbox360 which outputs DD 5.1, with the 573 EXTD on Auto it matrix's it to be 7.1 so sound is output from my surround back speakers. Now that I have the 710 hooked up and I play the same thing, it only outputs in 5.1 when EXTD is on Auto and doesn't use my surround back speakers. So it seems to me that the 573 will always make 5.1 into 7.1 automatically but the 710 won't always make it 7.1 unless it is a DTS or DTS-HD signal. Do you think that is what Yamaha is trying to get across?? Maybe because the 710 is older it doesn't have this feature?? I guess I just have to hit the ProLogicIIx every time I want DD 5.1 to be output in 7.1? This isn't a big deal but I am just a little disappointed that the 710 doesn't do it exactly as the 573, especially being that it's the first model in the Aventage range and because I liked not having to mess with it knowing that my surround back speakers are always being in used when the receiver is getting a 5.1 signal. Maybe I just need to mess around with it more or am I missing something her to? I really like the sweet setup for manually setting the speakers and modes as compared to the 573, the GUI is much sweeter. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
post #2013 of 2855
To rename inputs on the RX-A710: [On Screen] -> Input -> -> [Up] -> Rename/Icon Select.

I'm not sure if there is any solution for your extendend surround problem but I wouldn't expect Dolby Prologic IIx to work very well in games.
post #2014 of 2855
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Originally Posted by tipthefuture View Post

I've been going crazy trying to get an IR receiver/extender to work with my newly purchased Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A710 (got it as a closeout deal at the local BB).

I plugged the IR Receiver into the top jack and IR Transmitter into the bottom one and nothing happened... tried switching them around in case that was the issue and nada.

Just got that in today and still NO LUCK. I tried using the powered repeater and plugging the extra IR receiver & sender directly into the receiver.
Am I overlooking something, is there a certain type needed, or could it be an issue with the receiver??

Ok, so yes, IR Repeaters do work with Yamaha products. I think you may be connecting it wrong. I have this one working fine with my RX-A2010 and also a RX-A720.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001BLTDZA/

So you place the IR receiver where your remote will see it. Then connect the receiver to the IR Repeater's IR Receiver input. The you use a male-to-male mono 3.5MM cable (like this) and connect it to an emitter port on the repeater and into the Yamaha's Remote In. You shouldn't need to use the Remote Out.

Now, connect the other emitters to your other equipment: Blu-ray, DVR, etc.

PM me if you're still having trouble after trying this setup.
post #2015 of 2855
I've got no sound on 1 channel on my 1010.
Any chance theres a fix?
post #2016 of 2855
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Originally Posted by brwsaw View Post

I've got no sound on 1 channel on my 1010.
Any chance theres a fix?

Did you rule out a bad wire or speaker by swapping speakers? That's the first thing to do (swap the plugs at the back of the 1010 first, then you're checking the speaker and wire at the same time).

If it really seems to the output of the 1010 that's bad, then if unplugging from the wall or a reset (restore default settings from the advanced menu) doesn't fix it, I doubt there's anything you can do yourself. If you do restore defaults, obviously you'll have to go through the setup again.
post #2017 of 2855
Which dual subwoofer layout is better, left/right or front/back?
post #2018 of 2855
Thanks.
I'll be looking at this closer tonight.
post #2019 of 2855
Mostly a lurker here. I searched this thread pretty good but found nothing helpful. I am unable to decode audio properly on my RX-A2010. I have no video issues. I have a 5.1 setup Left/Right/Center/LR/RR and a sub. All input devices are connected via HDMI. Firmware version 1.08 on A2010.

I have several devices connected to my receiver only some of which seem to work properly. It is entirely possible I have something misconfigured. I can bitstream DTS and Dolby Digital (ac3) from both my Roku and BoxeeBox without issue. However, I cannot bitstream DTS-HDMA from Boxee. This worked flawlessly with my Yamaha RX-V1800. The same source files output Lossless work fine in VLC on a PC. I hear nothing at all. The decoder shows off when I input DTS-HDMA or Dolby TrueHD.

I also have a PS3 (slim) connected to the A2010 set to bitstream audio. When I playback something like the LOTR BD (DTS HDMA 6.1) main movie I hear no voices through the center speaker but I hear music and everything else is sounds fine. The receiver info screen shows DTS input. Some of the intro parts in Dolby Digital play fine and the decoder shows Dolby Digital. The decoder shows PCM. If I set the PS3 audio output setting to only Dolby Digital 5.1 only by disabling all other output option, and switch from bitstream to LPCM I hear the voice channel through the center speaker. The receiver shows PCM. The receiver info screen shows DTS input. I can bistram DD 5.1 sources like Ocean's 13 BD just fine and the decoder shows Dolby Digital and the audio is fine.

I also have Sony BDP-S590 blu-ray player input to A2010. When playing back LOTR BD no matter what I do I cannot hear the voice channel. The decoder only shows PCM even though I try to bitstream to it. I can playback DD 5.1 sources like Ocean's 13 BD just fine and the decoder shows Dolby Digital and the audio is fine.

I can decode DD 5.1 from DirecTV just fine as well. I have two other BD players so I will test with those.

Why can't the A2010 decode DTS 6.1 audio from my PS3 or BD player?
Why can't the A2010 decode DTS-HDMA from BoxeeBox, PS3, or BD player?
Any and all help is much appreciated.
Edited by diadumenianus - 12/8/12 at 5:27pm
post #2020 of 2855
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Originally Posted by brwsaw View Post

Thanks.
I'll be looking at this closer tonight.

Unplugged.
Plugged in.
Happy tears...
Listened for 2 hours.
Lesson learned.
Time for an amp.
post #2021 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

To rename inputs on the RX-A710: [On Screen] -> Input -> -> [Up] -> Rename/Icon Select.
I'm not sure if there is any solution for your extendend surround problem but I wouldn't expect Dolby Prologic IIx to work very well in games.

Hey thanks Ross, I've just fisnished reading every post in this thread and was hoping you would chime in. So I think I may send the question about EXT surround to Yamaha and see what they have to say. I also noticed that I can't adjust the speaker levels my on 710 without turning the tv on as comared to the 573 which I still haven't returned yet lol. These are all minor issues I suppose. I may just leave the auto decode on for games on my 360 and just have it 5.1 as intended although I did use prologicx movie and the 710 is good at upmixing the signal 5.1 DD signal to 7.1 so we shall see. Just wish the 360 was like the ps3 and output 7.1, oh well. Going to return the 573 on Tuesday I suppose being that I'm saving soo much money lol.
post #2022 of 2855
Unfortunately one of the disadvantages of having an OSD (GUI) on receiver is that it often become mandatory in certain situations.
post #2023 of 2855
I can't seem to find where I can set the subwoofer crossover on my 2010, apparently it not possible or it's done differently than the speakers. Can someone help?
post #2024 of 2855
Thanks Joshua!! I hadn't seen anywhere in the yamaha's manual or the repeater's kit about needing to use a 3.5mm cable between them. Followed your instructions and that did the trick.

Much appreciated!
post #2025 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Unfortunately one of the disadvantages of having an OSD (GUI) on receiver is that it often become mandatory in certain situations.

This is very true it seems. It's kind of funny but the 573 had a slider which was decent but the Pioneer and Sony where numbered just like the volume which was pretty nice. Although the GUI on the RX-A's is much much nicer and the setup diagrams, especially for manual speaker adjustments, are in a totally different league. Guess you can't have everything haha.
post #2026 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Skerlnik View Post

I think demoing speakers like you're planning to do is your best bet. I have a full set of 7 Klipsch Reference speakers (including RF-62 II's) and they sound natural, clean, and very melodic mated to my RX-A3010. I did set my EQ to Natural, and that definitely sounds great to me. The bass response from the RF-62's actually surprised me at first. I wasn't expecting so much sound from 6.5" drivers, but they really kick. After installing some acoustic panels, and a bass trap in my room, the sound is even cleaner, which I didn't think possible. I plan to add at least 2 subwoofers (probably 18" drivers) to the mix as well to complete the frequency coverage, and to reduce the demand on my front LR. I don't think I can live without a sub. There is so much low end content you're not hearing if you don't have a sub! I primarily listen to movies, TV, and music (I play bass guitar with the system in 9 channel audio).
I think the Yamaha sounds great with the Klipsch reference line, but I haven't had your other selections in my home for comparison cool.gif
I agree about demoing, anyway, in many places they have no Yamahas and have good speakers and vice versa. Eventually I had some B&W demoed, 683 and CM9 (which were my first pick after reading about different speakers), and Yamaha Soavo-1. 683 were mediocre, better than my old ones but not a serious upgrade. CM9 enchanted me. Natural, clear sounds, and wonderful bass at low volume levels (that I most frequently use), excellent stereo stage. Eventually I bought them, and fell in love with music again. So not is time to rediscover my CDs. I listened to "Kind of Blue" at night and finally heard sounds that I never expected. So if someone asks, I can truly recommend Bowers & Wilkins CM9 with RX-A2010, excellent combo. Natural QE sounds a bit dull to me, especially drums. It is more pleasant, but somehow I prefer more clear sound, even if more harsh. I even wonder if using no EQ at all (through) is better than any other setting.
BTW does anybody use BD player Panasonic DMP BDT-500EG, I could not find any remote code for this device with Yamaha remote. Panasonic TV works great with the first code on the list, but the BD player does not, perhaps because it is much newer than the AVR?
post #2027 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Normally with HDMI CEC you need to turn on a source device, like a Blu-Ray player, to get the other devices to turn on automatically.
Setting the speakers to small and the extra bass setting requires having a subwoofer connected to the system. Both these options redirect low frequencies to the sub and are meaningless without a subwoofer.
You can try using the tone controls or playing around with the Paramatic EQ options to get more bass.

Thanks Ross. I actually found that turning the TV off didn't turn off the receiver, rather turning off my Uverse cable box was what turned the receiver off each time. The Uverse box remote was turning the TV off as well. With that I assume the Uverse box would have to be ARC/CEC compatible? I found no such settings in the set top box. frown.gif

On another topic, are there certain HDMI handshake rules like the receiver has to be on before the input source is on? I'm having issues with no sound being output through the speakers when the receiver is on before the cable box is turned on (or maybe its vise versa). I have to turn off the receiver and back on for sound to work. Is this common?
post #2028 of 2855
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Originally Posted by buening82 View Post

Thanks Ross. I actually found that turning the TV off didn't turn off the receiver, rather turning off my Uverse cable box was what turned the receiver off each time. The Uverse box remote was turning the TV off as well. With that I assume the Uverse box would have to be ARC/CEC compatible? I found no such settings in the set top box. frown.gif
On another topic, are there certain HDMI handshake rules like the receiver has to be on before the input source is on? I'm having issues with no sound being output through the speakers when the receiver is on before the cable box is turned on (or maybe its vise versa). I have to turn off the receiver and back on for sound to work. Is this common?

Well, in my case is the other way around, I need to turn my RX-A1010 first and then I need to turn any other device to ensure handshake is done properly. It happened to me a couple of times with my previous BR player. I changed already for a different brand, but now is just a habit for me to turn on the receiver first, that I can't tell you if the issue was with the Sammy player or what.

I guess, I'll give it a try this night to confirm that.

Oh and to your point fixing the issue, yes I did exactly the same, turning off the receiver and then turning it on first and then the input source. Crazy, I know!
post #2029 of 2855
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Originally Posted by buening82 View Post

The Uverse box remote was turning the TV off as well. With that I assume the Uverse box would have to be ARC/CEC compatible? I found no such settings in the set top box. frown.gif

Your Uverse box wouldn't support ARC (Audio Return Channel) but presumably is doing this through CEC. Either that or the Uverse remote is transmitting both the IR code to turn on the Uverse box, and the code to turn on the receiver.
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On another topic, are there certain HDMI handshake rules like the receiver has to be on before the input source is on? I'm having issues with no sound being output through the speakers when the receiver is on before the cable box is turned on (or maybe its vise versa). I have to turn off the receiver and back on for sound to work. Is this common?

It's common to for HDMI CEC to cause any number of unexpected behaviours. CEC is great when it just works and does what you'd expect it to, but when it doesn't it's usually not worth the hassle. In this case its likely that your TV has used CEC to tell the receiver to mute its speakers. The idea here is that since you're using ARC you should be using your TV remote to control the volume level and whether or not you want to use the TV's speakers or the receivers.

I'd suggest disbling ARC and using an optical digital audio cable to connect your TV's audio out to your receiver. You won't lose any functionality, in fact with some TVs only support 2.0 PCM over ARC, but can do 5.1 Dolby Digital over optical, you just need to use two cables instead of one. You may also find it more convienient to disable CEC (HDMI Control, Veira Link, HDMI Power Control) on some or all of your device and use something a Harmony remote to automatically control several devices at once.
post #2030 of 2855
Indeed I do have the TV ARC settings set to mute the TV. What I was hoping to occur was a fully functioning ARC/CEC control as described in the Yamaha manual, in that I use the same Uverse remote to control the volume on the Yamaha receiver (since it controls the volume on the TV), disable the TVs volume (which it actually does), and when the TV/Uverse box is turned ON/OFF the receiver follows suit. So far I can only get the receiver to turn off when the signal from the Uverse box is turned off and the disable volume works. The missing functions are the volume control and turning the receiver ON when the other components are turned on. Its like the ARC/CEC is only choosing certain functions to work correctly LOL

I was hoping that since the TV is new and the fact we have the newest Uverse receiver, that ARC would work with the receiver and that I wouldn't have to turn the receiver on or control the volume via the Yamaha remote each time much like the Yamaha manual states. The Panasonic TV has a specific HDMI port that is labeled ARC, which is the one I'm using and ARC is turned on in the TV settings. Ugh!!!! I was hoping to avoid the Harmony remote. I may look up the code for the Yamaha and learn it to my Uverse remote, maybe that will help.
post #2031 of 2855
any chance someone out there made a more involved Web Control Center?

features are so weak its sad, hell you can do more on the android app heh
post #2032 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Latvik View Post

any chance someone out there made a more involved Web Control Center?
features are so weak its sad, hell you can do more on the android app heh

Someone posted that there's a /setup web page with more advanced controls. But that was for a 3020, and I don't know if it works for other models. See this post.

There's also the separate Receiver Manager application that runs under Windows only.
post #2033 of 2855
FYI. For anyone still looking for one of these. Best Buy's with Magnolia Audio Centers in them are clearancing out these receivers for ridiculous prices. I missed a lot of them because I couldn't justify getting them open box with no remote, but if you're willing to purchase an overpiced replacement remote from Yamaha directly (~$100), you'd get an amazing deal. I saw a rx-a1010 shelf model on sale for $275.00 (no remote) which the best buy employee I was chatting with promptly bought (this happens so often there). They also had two rx-2010's for $699. I was waiting for them to drop into the $500 range, but someone scooped up both at that price. One didn't have a remote and sold for $665. So cheap. So hopefully some of us with upgrade fever can snag a rx-2020 this time next year smile.gif
post #2034 of 2855
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Someone posted that there's a /setup web page with more advanced controls. But that was for a 3020, and I don't know if it works for other models. See this post.
WOW.

Thanks! I can confirm this works the A2010. I simply added /setup/ to the IP address of the receiver in the browser. Example: http://192.168.0.22/setup/

It looks very similar, if not identical, to the options available via the Receiver Manager software.

This is most excellent. smile.gif
Edited by bluechunks - 12/11/12 at 10:32am
post #2035 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

WOW.

Thanks! I can confirm this works the A2010. I simply added /setup/ to the IP address of the receiver in the browser. Example: http://192.168.0.22/setup/
It looks very similar, if not identical, to the options available via the Receiver Manager software.
This is most excellent. smile.gif
I just tried it on my pc and it does work on my 2010 as you have already stated. It does not work on my Mac or iPad though. Guess I'll have to start running windows on my Mac. Why does Yamaha keep this a secret? Does a third party run it? Just curious.
post #2036 of 2855
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

I just tried it on my pc and it does work on my 2010 as you have already stated. It does not work on my Mac or iPad though.
FWIW, I only tried it on my Macs and it worked on both (iMac wired connection/MacBook Pro via wifi. Both running OSX 10.8.2/Safari 6.0.2).

One hint: the Yamaha can only connect to one computer at a time so you have to ensure that the browser is closed on the first one prior to connecting the next.
post #2037 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

FWIW, I only tried it on my Macs and it worked on both (iMac wired connection/MacBook Pro via wifi. Both running OSX 10.8.2/Safari 6.0.2).
One hint: the Yamaha can only connect to one computer at a time so you have to ensure that the browser is closed on the first one prior to connecting the next.
Thanks for the tip, I will give it a try later.
post #2038 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

FWIW, I only tried it on my Macs and it worked on both (iMac wired connection/MacBook Pro via wifi. Both running OSX 10.8.2/Safari 6.0.2).
One hint: the Yamaha can only connect to one computer at a time so you have to ensure that the browser is closed on the first one prior to connecting the next.
Tried it on my Mac mini and you were correct. Thanks again
post #2039 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

FWIW, I only tried it on my Macs and it worked on both (iMac wired connection/MacBook Pro via wifi. Both running OSX 10.8.2/Safari 6.0.2).
One hint: the Yamaha can only connect to one computer at a time so you have to ensure that the browser is closed on the first one prior to connecting the next.
I got it to work with my iPad also by using the skyfire app to open it up.
post #2040 of 2855
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Someone posted that there's a /setup web page with more advanced controls. But that was for a 3020, and I don't know if it works for other models. See this post.
There's also the separate Receiver Manager application that runs under Windows only.

Thanks man! It works for my RX-A1010. Scene are now way more easy to set using this.

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