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post #2161 of 2857
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Originally Posted by davethestalker View Post

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Why is it when I play music files or CD's in the PS3, I cannot use any sound modes besides STRAIGHT or Pure Direct? On the info tab, the sampling is running at 176.4kHz. I allowed the PS3 to use all available frequencies via HDMI. I suppose this higher sampling rate is producing better sound than the typical 44kHz? I always though the sampling rate is standard on the CD? Why does the AVR lock out any sound processing such as PLIIx?

It takes too much processing power to apply certain sound modes at that sampling frequency, so it limits you to STRAIGHT. You're better off just setting the PS3 to use the native 44.1kHz for CDs, instead of upsampling to the higher frequency.
post #2162 of 2857
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

It takes too much processing power to apply certain sound modes at that sampling frequency, so it limits you to STRAIGHT. You're better off just setting the PS3 to use the native 44.1kHz for CDs, instead of upsampling to the higher frequency.

I don't have any qualms about going straight stereo. At times I really think PLII and Neo 6 are over rated for music. The don't just add I the listening experience by simply mixing in surrounds. All to often the modes degrade the mains and change how bass is presented.

I just switched the PS3 to PCM 2.0 88.x kHz, which allows DD or DTS processing. But, I listened to a song on STRAIGHT. Then switched to 176.4 for the same song. I was hearing small details enhanced.

Over the course of the last month with my Def Tech PC60 & SM450 setup, I have found myself enjoying music in Straight much more. I have also found myself checking to see of a surround mode was not on, because of the better sound stage these speakers present.

I just wish Pure Direct didn't alienate smaller speakers so much. It sounds so lifeless with ZERO bass. I do inderstand that mode shuts off LFE.

Perhaps running the mains to the sub and then to the mains would liven up Pure Direct?
post #2163 of 2857
Does anyone have instructions for how to connect a cassette deck so that it could possibly record? Not that I ever record, but I like the setup. From one post I read, the fact that I will be using an external amplifier might complicate the situation.
post #2164 of 2857
What I do is use the zone 2 or 3 out of my RX-A3000 and re-label it as record out. Then I connect the cassette deck input to the "record out" and the cassette output to any one of the open audio input jacks.and label it Cassette. That way I can choose what source I want to record and even monitor what's coming off the deck, just like I used to do decades ago.
post #2165 of 2857
Nevermind. I think I figured out how to set the right Scene button. Going to work on the CD connection and later the cassette deck.

Got the CD player working. Is there a way to set the receiver so that (because I like multitasking) it pairs CD audio with TV video?
Edited by clovenhooves - 1/11/13 at 10:23pm
post #2166 of 2857
I am having issues with my radio tuner
I have a 3010, and on both am and fm it sounds like every station is overmodulated, or de-tuned from the proper frequency by just a bit
I purchased the unit in August and up until now, it had functioned just fine
Any ideas or hints as to what the problem may be?
How are warranty repairs handled (in home??)
Thanks in advance
Bill
post #2167 of 2857
Wrong
Edited by LTMS - 6/9/13 at 6:29am
post #2168 of 2857
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Originally Posted by LTMS View Post

Hello, i just bought the 3010, and have an issue with some strange noise when i for example turn off my bd player the receiver starts to make some noise, it sounds duh duh duh duh duh, first low and then it getting louder and louder. I have to turn it off or change to av 2 for an example to get rid off it, any ideas?

Thomas

I couldn't even think of diagnosing that, beyond simple things like trying a different HDMI input, a different cable, disabling HDMI Control if its active. But, I would suggest calling Yamaha right away or just exchange it with the retailer.
post #2169 of 2857
Got it
Edited by LTMS - 6/9/13 at 6:31am
post #2170 of 2857
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

I am having issues with my radio tuner
I have a 3010, and on both am and fm it sounds like every station is overmodulated, or de-tuned from the proper frequency by just a bit
I purchased the unit in August and up until now, it had functioned just fine
Any ideas or hints as to what the problem may be?
How are warranty repairs handled (in home??)
Thanks in advance
Bill

Called Yamaha, did a factory reset, which appears to have solved the problem, I sure hope I don't have to do that too often, as now I have to reconfigure and rename everything

Any ideas as to what caused my issue?
post #2171 of 2857
I have a couple of questions. HDMI pass thru is only sending video to my tv when the AVR is off/stand by. I can't find a setting to correct this.

I wanting to add a turntable. Nothing expensive, between $100 - $300 with USB. The A710 does not have a PHONO input. So how would a turntable work then?
post #2172 of 2857
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Originally Posted by davethestalker View Post

I have a couple of questions. HDMI pass thru is only sending video to my tv when the AVR is off/stand by. I can't find a setting to correct this.

You need to expand on what exactly is your problem is here.
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I wanting to add a turntable. Nothing expensive, between $100 - $300 with USB. The A710 does not have a PHONO input. So how would a turntable work then?

USB turntables have their own integrated phono pre-amps. They have normal line level outputs that don't need to be connected to a phono input.
post #2173 of 2857
The built in preamp is subject to quality constraints of the turntable manufacturer, right?

On Screen menu/HDMI, Standby Through is on. With this on, I can view whatever HDMI input was in use before shutting off the AVR. I can only see video. There isn't any audio through the TV speakers.

I do have the TV speakers enabled, I can turn their volume up and down while the AVR is on and feeding the speaker system. I use both sound sources to help with lip sync adjustment.

So, if HDMI can pass through video, why isn't it passing audio?
post #2174 of 2857
A phono pre-amp is a very simple device, and there's not a lot of reason to believe one builtin to a receiver would be better. A much greater concern would be the quality of the turntable itself, like how much "wow and flutter" it adds.

Your receiver isn't passing through audio when turned on because in normal use its expected that you'd want to use the speakers hooked up to the receiver instead of the TV. You can tell the receiver to pass through HDMI audio if you want. [On Screen] -> Setup -> HDMI -> Audio Output -> HDMI OUT (TV) -> On. With this setting enabled you may be limited to stereo over HDMI, as most TVs can only handle stereo audio.
post #2175 of 2857
Ross, that setting does allow for sound through the TV speakers only when the AVR is turned on. I'd like to have sound from them when the AVR is off.

I'm looking at the Audio Technica AT-LP120, less than $250. Should I look into upgrading the cartridge (Shure M97xE $100) right away or let the newness of having a turntable sink in for awhile? I haven't listened to any vinyl since the late 80's frown.gif
post #2176 of 2857
Ah, sorry, I misunderstood your problem. When the receiver is in HDMI standby mode it passes through both audio and video. It's acting like a dumb switch, so there is nothing you need to enable. The problem is likely that that your source, whatever it is, is sending audio in format that the receiver understands but the TV doesn't. Try configuring your source to send stereo (2.0) audio over HDMI since that's the only format most TVs support.

Sorry, I can't recommend any turntables, it's been a while since I've used one as well.
post #2177 of 2857
Hi,

I have the RX-A2010 with firmware 1.29.

I have an issue with my subwoofer.
I think I have connected everything correctly but get very low volume out of the sub.

I have tested the subwoofer and cable by connecting a cd player directly to it and and it looks like the sub and cable are not the problem.

On my receiver I have Power Amp assignment set to basic, and all speakers set to small. Switched on the test tone and in the Configuration I can hear the tone from all speakers. However for the subwoofer I can only hear sound if I turn it's volume almost all the way up. It's like the pre-out is disabled or sending a very weak signal. I would expect that at least the test tone should be heard when I select either sub 1 or 2.

I have used the advanced menu to re-initialize the amp settings and re-run YPAO but it did not detect the sub.
Are there any other settings that control/enable sub output except for the Speaker level and setting speakers to 'small' in manual configuration?

Appreciate any help on this.

Thanks
post #2178 of 2857
Make sure you've got the subwoofer connected to one of the subwoofer pre-outs, not the subwoofer jack of the multichannel input.
post #2179 of 2857
Have checked and it is connected to the Subwoofer Front Preout.

Thanks
post #2180 of 2857
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Originally Posted by thanosz View Post

...I have an issue with my subwoofer.
I think I have connected everything correctly but get very low volume out of the sub.

The subwoofer pre-out voltage on recent Yamaha is lower than on some other receivers (and lower than Yamahas from several years ago). So you might need the gain (volume) control on the sub itself turned up fairly high.

And the manual test tones (but not YPAO) are controlled by the master volume. So you would normally need the master volume at 0dB to measure 75dB with an SPL meter from the test tones.
post #2181 of 2857
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The subwoofer pre-out voltage on recent Yamaha is lower than on some other receivers (and lower than Yamahas from several years ago). So you might need the gain (volume) control on the sub itself turned up fairly high.

And the manual test tones (but not YPAO) are controlled by the master volume. So you would normally need the master volume at 0dB to measure 75dB with an SPL meter from the test tones.

Thanks for the answer.
On the sub I have set the volume halfway and frequency to full. Does the volume on the sub also control at which point the sub should kick in? Increasing the sub volume did not cause it to come out of standby. However increasing the volume on the receiver to around -20db brought the sub out of standby, but still to me this was not as loud compared to the volume from the speakers at -20db (usually listen at -40db to -20db). Also in Manual setup sub level is set at +5db.

Shouldn't YPAO at least detect it and also EQ the sub? I remember when testing this using a cd player volume was quite high even with sub volume control at around 1/4.
I am just worried that something else is setup wrong that I might have missed.

Subwoofer is XTZ w12.18ICE 500w

Thanks
post #2182 of 2857
Re an earlier question, will someone please tell me if it's possible to use the 1010 to listen to a CD player (or some other audio unit) while watching video from the TV?
post #2183 of 2857
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Originally Posted by clovenhooves View Post

Re an earlier question, will someone please tell me if it's possible to use the 1010 to listen to a CD player (or some other audio unit) while watching video from the TV?

In general, no. You can assign a video input to the internal sources and the multichannel input. You can also use various work arounds like connecting the analogue output of your CD player to the same input as your video source and selecting the analogue audio for that input.
post #2184 of 2857
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

In general, no. You can assign a video input to the internal sources and the multichannel input. You can also use various work arounds like connecting the analogue output of your CD player to the same input as your video source and selecting the analogue audio for that input.

Thanks for answering, but uggh. I'm finding more and limitations with the 1010. I guess I could use the second workaround. Could you please explain the "assign a video input" idea?
post #2185 of 2857
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Originally Posted by clovenhooves View Post

Thanks for answering, but uggh. I'm finding more and limitations with the 1010. I guess I could use the second workaround. Could you please explain the "assign a video input" idea?

If you don't connect your TV to your reciever you would be able to watch the signal while listening to a CD. This would only work with seperate video and sound cabling though. The reciever would otherwise be displaying the CD info on screen.
I havent tried it with my 1010 but in theory it should work as you would expect.
post #2186 of 2857
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Originally Posted by clovenhooves View Post

Thanks for answering, but uggh. I'm finding more and limitations with the 1010. I guess I could use the second workaround. Could you please explain the "assign a video input" idea?

No modern AV receiver supports watching audio and video from difference sources in general. When HDMI put audio and video into the same cable it killed this feature generally.

To set the video input to use for a internal input or the mulitchannel input: [On Screen] -> Input -> -> [Up] -> Video Out. The video from the select input will be used instead of the receiver's wallpaper.
post #2187 of 2857
I remember on my rx-v3000 being able to choose a video source on the remote, then changing the audio by quickly pushing another button
Now I do it as above, you wire it, then create a 1 button push scene with it
post #2188 of 2857
I'm thinking this might be more related to the sub than the 710. I'm having something weird happening. On my Polk PSW505, I ran YPAO with the frequency pass at 200. I've been trying to tweek it at the sub, adjusting the knob has zero affect.

I'm currently running dual subs, the second is the Def Tech ProSub 60 that came with the Pro Cinema 60 system. I can adjust it's frequency at the sub. I did run YPAO with their high pass at 200.

I'm not quite sure why this is happening or what I should do about it.
post #2189 of 2857
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Originally Posted by davethestalker View Post

I'm thinking this might be more related to the sub than the 710. I'm having something weird happening. On my Polk PSW505, I ran YPAO with the frequency pass at 200. I've been trying to tweek it at the sub, adjusting the knob has zero affect.

You want the receiver to do all bass management, so the frequency control on the sub should be set to the max and don't try to make adjustments with that.

And 200Hz is far too high for the crossover with those speakers. Try 100Hz. Make sure all speakers are set as SMALL. Then turn the sub level (in the receiver) up or down to get the amount of bass you want.
post #2190 of 2857
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Originally Posted by thanosz View Post

Thanks for the answer.
On the sub I have set the volume halfway and frequency to full. Does the volume on the sub also control at which point the sub should kick in? Increasing the sub volume did not cause it to come out of standby. However increasing the volume on the receiver to around -20db brought the sub out of standby, but still to me this was not as loud compared to the volume from the speakers at -20db (usually listen at -40db to -20db). Also in Manual setup sub level is set at +5db.

Shouldn't YPAO at least detect it and also EQ the sub? I remember when testing this using a cd player volume was quite high even with sub volume control at around 1/4.
I am just worried that something else is setup wrong that I might have missed.

The sub turns on when it senses in input signal, so turning up the receiver volume or sub-level (in the receiver) will help. Changing the sub's own volume control has no direct effect, but by turning down the sub volume you can then turn up the receiver sub level which will help. YPAO can only detect the sub if it turns on and makes a sound. You can also force the sub to be on before running YPAO, but that won't solve your auto-on problem.

If turning up the sub level to the max (+10dB) still doesn't turn on the sub, you can also turn down the level on all your other speakers (by equal amounts), and then that effectively makes the sub-level higher by that amount (because you'll have to turn up the master volume to compensate for the reduced speaker levels, and that will help the sub turn on). If you have too much bass after doing that you can turn down the sub's own volume.

Post all your current speaker levels (including the sub).
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