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post #2191 of 2855
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The sub turns on when it senses in input signal, so turning up the receiver volume or sub-level (in the receiver) will help. Changing the sub's own volume control has no direct effect, but by turning down the sub volume you can then turn up the receiver sub level which will help. YPAO can only detect the sub if it turns on and makes a sound. You can also force the sub to be on before running YPAO, but that won't solve your auto-on problem.

If turning up the sub level to the max (+10dB) still doesn't turn on the sub, you can also turn down the level on all your other speakers (by equal amounts), and then that effectively makes the sub-level higher by that amount (because you'll have to turn up the master volume to compensate for the reduced speaker levels, and that will help the sub turn on). If you have too much bass after doing that you can turn down the sub's own volume.

Post all your current speaker levels (including the sub).

I'm quite interested in this as well. I have a 3010 which I've recently mated to a Rythmik E15 (600W RMS) sub. At first I didn't know why the auto-on feature didn't appear to be working, and why I wasn't hearing anything unless I turned the volume on the sub (not gain, as I am using LFE amp inputs on the sub) to nearly 100%. I was scratching my head as to why the Yamaha just seemed to be outputting a weak signal, but after reading your comment about the low sub pre-out voltages, I guess it makes a bit more sense.

The strange thing is, with the sub volume at 50%, I ran YPAO, and the Yamaha set the gain level on the sub to -0.5. I can barely hear the sub at that level, so I have no idea what YPAO is doing... I've since set the level to about +5, and volume on the sub itself to about 60%. It's been a bit frustrating I have to admit.

On another note, I am experiencing some line noise coming from the subwoofer out. Makes my sub sound like the wind is blowing. I have since changed the way my DirecTV dish is grounded (after researching ground loop at this site), but the noise still persists. I have noticed when I touch the HDMI cable from my DirecTV DVR, to the back shield of the Yamaha, the sound changes, but still persists. Secondly, I see that the Yamaha only has 2 prongs, and no ground on it's plug. Has anyone grounded their Yamaha to other devices in their chain/wall/whatever? I might try grounding the phono-ground to my power conditioner to see if that helps at all. Any suggestions?
post #2192 of 2855
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

You want the receiver to do all bass management, so the frequency control on the sub should be set to the max and don't try to make adjustments with that.

And 200Hz is far too high for the crossover with those speakers. Try 100Hz. Make sure all speakers are set as SMALL. Then turn the sub level (in the receiver) up or down to get the amount of bass you want.
I should clarify, I'm not talking about the crossover in YPAO. I have that set between 80-110 drowning on the music I'm listening to. All speakers except the mains are already "small" because they are. The mains are set to "large" because they can produce the full range of sound (when properly hooked up to the Pro 60 sub per the Def Tech manual). My concern is not setting the frequencies. My concern is why is the knob on the 505 doing nothing while other subs I've used (and setup the same way with YPAO) still have adjustability? Why isn't the knob working? Did the AVR somehow disable its use?
post #2193 of 2855
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Originally Posted by davethestalker View Post

I should clarify, I'm not talking about the crossover in YPAO. I have that set between 80-110 drowning on the music I'm listening to. All speakers except the mains are already "small" because they are. The mains are set to "large" because they can produce the full range of sound (when properly hooked up to the Pro 60 sub per the Def Tech manual). My concern is not setting the frequencies. My concern is why is the knob on the 505 doing nothing while other subs I've used (and setup the same way with YPAO) still have adjustability? Why isn't the knob working? Did the AVR somehow disable its use?

Yes, your speakers might be capable of reproducing full range sound. But, setting them as large, your receiver is sending the low signal to your speakers instead of your sub.

Please set the all speakers to small, and report back.
post #2194 of 2855
Set those mains to small then set the crossover to the lowest settin possible, 40hz I believe
post #2195 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

No modern AV receiver supports watching audio and video from difference sources in general. When HDMI put audio and video into the same cable it killed this feature generally.

To set the video input to use for a internal input or the mulitchannel input: [On Screen] -> Input -> -> [Up] -> Video Out. The video from the select input will be used instead of the receiver's wallpaper.

Unless I'm missing something, that means not connecting the CD player via the CD input and having a second video connection to the TV.
post #2196 of 2855
There is no "cd input" as all inputs are numbered
And you don't need video for cd's, right?
post #2197 of 2855
There is an input that is numbered but also labelled CD on the back of the unit. Video is re watching TV (like sports) while listening to CDs.
post #2198 of 2855
The cd labeling is for some pre-set scene programmed in

To do what you want, You have to use your video source via HDMI or component, And in the same AV input use your CD out either in analog or optical or digital coaxial, And then you create a special scene in which the video will obviously be the HDMI and the audio will be either analog or optical/digital audio
post #2199 of 2855
I think you guys should read my first post about this again. The problem is with the pass filter knob on the 505, it does nothing. I've tried 2 other subs, and their filter knobs do work, regardless of what YPAO wants to set the crossover at.

I'm wondering if the A710 is somehow overriding or disabling the PSW-505's knob controls? It doesn't matter what I set the knob at before I run YPAO. Maybe a wire is loose? It has worked before.

Also, YPAO on the a710 is a bit limited compared to it's big brothers. I cannot set the crossover for the mains. I can only set what the sub allows to pass. YPAO is suggesting 160.

To less complicate things, I'm only troubleshooting with the one sub right now.

EDIT: I did a test. I pulled the cable from the LFE input and plugged it into each of the Line In inputs. I did have control of the 505's frequency response at the knob. So, to answer my own question; yes the A710 is overriding the manual frequency control of the PSW-505 when using the LFE input. I still have gain control at the sub.

So, why doesn't the A710 override my other 2 subs? Just really odd!
Edited by davethestalker - 1/14/13 at 8:03pm
post #2200 of 2855
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Originally Posted by davethestalker View Post

EDIT: I did a test. I pulled the cable from the LFE input and plugged it into each of the Line In inputs. I did have control of the 505's frequency response at the knob. So, to answer my own question; yes the A710 is overriding the manual frequency control of the PSW-505 when using the LFE input. I still have gain control at the sub.
The receiver has no way to know how you connected the cable to the sub, so it's not the receiver that's changing the sub behaviour.

In fact, looking at the manual for the PSW-505 (assuming this is it), it specifically says the LFE input is unfiltered (i.e. the knob has no effect), while the line level inputs are filtered. But this is as it should be, the receiver does the bass management and you don't want the sub to do extra low pass filtering.

Your front speakers need to be connected directly to the A710, not the sub speaker outs. The speaker outs are for when you use the line level inputs on the sub if you don't have a receiver that can do bass management (but in this case you want to use the LFE input on the sub).

And once you're connecting the front speakers to the receiver, not the sub, they need to be set to SMALL as well (Option #1, page 3 of the PSW-505 manual).

If you really want to use the ProCinema 60 sub too (and you might be better off without it because the 505 looks a lot better), that should also be connected to the LFE output of the receiver, with its low pass filter set to max (method #2 in the ProCinema 60 manual). Since the A710 only has one LFE output, you'll need a Y-splitter. I would get it sounding right with just the PSW505 first.
Edited by kriktsemaj99 - 1/15/13 at 5:26am
post #2201 of 2855
I just ordered a "slightly used" RX-A3010BL. It still has 11 months of warranty on it. The seller said if I had any problems, I could mail it back to him since the warranty is registered under his name (actually a company name). After all of my reading and research, this is the receiver I decided to get. I sold my house along with most of my home theater equipment to make the deal happen. I'm coming from a B&K high end receiver, but it didn't have HDMI. Great receiver, but I was ready to move to HDMI and better processing.

Now that I'm in my new home and my theater is almost finished, I was ready to buy my receiver. I paid $910 shipped to my house.

I haven't read this particular forum yet. How are you feeling about your Yamaha receivers...especially your 3010s?
post #2202 of 2855
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

I just ordered a "slightly used" RX-A3010BL. It still has 11 months of warranty on it. The seller said if I had any problems, I could mail it back to him since the warranty is registered under his name (actually a company name). After all of my reading and research, this is the receiver I decided to get. I sold my house along with most of my home theater equipment to make the deal happen. I'm coming from a B&K high end receiver, but it didn't have HDMI. Great receiver, but I was ready to move to HDMI and better processing.

Now that I'm in my new home and my theater is almost finished, I was ready to buy my receiver. I paid $910 shipped to my house.

I haven't read this particular forum yet. How are you feeling about your Yamaha receivers...especially your 3010s?

Congrats on the purchase! The 3010 is great. I actually picked up a 1010, then decided to sell it and upgrade to the 3010 for better bass management. I think it sounds fantastic once your speakers are all dialed in!
post #2203 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Skerlnik View Post

Congrats on the purchase! The 3010 is great. I actually picked up a 1010, then decided to sell it and upgrade to the 3010 for better bass management. I think it sounds fantastic once your speakers are all dialed in!
Are you running two subs with your 3010?

What is the main difference on the bass management in the 3010 vs 1010? I do have a 1010 and that is the reason that I'm asking you.

Thanks in advance for your input!
post #2204 of 2855
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

What is the main difference on the bass management in the 3010 vs 1010?

The 1010 has one global crossover frequency that applies to all speakers set as small. The 3010 has individual crossovers for each speaker group (front, centre, surrounds, surround backs).
The 1010 does not EQ the sub at all. The 3010 can EQ up to 2 subs independently, with 4 PEQ filters per sub.

It could be important to some people, but not to others. You can always add a separate sub EQ to a 1010, and you may not need independent crossovers.
post #2205 of 2855
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The 1010 has one global crossover frequency that applies to all speakers set as small. The 3010 has individual crossovers for each speaker group (front, centre, surrounds, surround backs).
The 1010 does not EQ the sub at all. The 3010 can EQ up to 2 subs independently, with 4 PEQ filters per sub.

It could be important to some people, but not to others. You can always add a separate sub EQ to a 1010, and you may not need independent crossovers.

Thanks for info!

I managed to add a Velodyne SMS-1 to my setup, so I'm cover on the sub EQ area. However, the fact that the A1010 applies one single crossover to all my speakers is a bummer.
post #2206 of 2855
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Are you running two subs with your 3010?

What is the main difference on the bass management in the 3010 vs 1010? I do have a 1010 and that is the reason that I'm asking you.

Thanks in advance for your input!

I am currently only running 1 sub (Rythmik E15) since my original sub died. I do plan to add a second E15 at some point. Like kriktsemaj99 says, the 1010 won't EQ the subs, hence my upgrade. Nothing wrong with more power/channel, and a nice video processor as well. cool.gif

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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Thanks for info!

I managed to add a Velodyne SMS-1 to my setup, so I'm cover on the sub EQ area. However, the fact that the A1010 applies one single crossover to all my speakers is a bummer.

It's not a huge bummer, but it is quite nice to run larger speakers (set as "small" in the config of course) with a lower crossover than the others. Both units sound great as you know, but the 3010 gives you a bit more options for configuration.
post #2207 of 2855
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The 1010 has one global crossover frequency that applies to all speakers set as small. The 3010 has individual crossovers for each speaker group (front, centre, surrounds, surround backs).
The 1010 does not EQ the sub at all. The 3010 can EQ up to 2 subs independently, with 4 PEQ filters per sub.

It could be important to some people, but not to others. You can always add a separate sub EQ to a 1010, and you may not need independent crossovers.

I heard that A2010 does EQ Subs. Is that correct? Any differences between A2010 and A3010 in this area?
post #2208 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Skerlnik View Post

I am currently only running 1 sub (Rythmik E15) since my original sub died. I do plan to add a second E15 at some point.

Wow, two E15........only thing I can say is..............WOW!!!!

Well, and of course............congrats!
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Originally Posted by Skerlnik View Post

It's not a huge bummer, but it is quite nice to run larger speakers (set as "small" in the config of course) with a lower crossover than the others. Both units sound great as you know, but the 3010 gives you a bit more options for configuration.

Yeah, I guess no big deal, but I used the multi-crossover option on my old Onkyo and therefore, I was expecting to be part of the A1010. I guess it was my fault for not checking this. But, at the price that I purchased this receiver, I can't complain much...........wink.gif

Cheers!
post #2209 of 2855
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Originally Posted by rajdori View Post

I heard that A2010 does EQ Subs. Is that correct? Any differences between A2010 and A3010 in this area?

Yes, the 2010 does the same sub EQ as the 3010 and it also has independent crossovers.
post #2210 of 2855
Does the 1010 have separate fuses for each amplifier channel? If so, how to access them, and that would void the warranty?
post #2211 of 2855
Hi all, would you guys recommend the 820? I am looking into buying a receiver and at the price range of the 810. I want a good receiver that will last a long time. Thanks! *First time receiver buyer.

*Not 810 but 820
Edited by royalkilla408 - 1/18/13 at 2:09pm
post #2212 of 2855
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Originally Posted by royalkilla408 View Post

Hi all, would you guys recommend the 810? I am looking into buying a receiver and at the price range of the 810. I want a good receiver that will last a long time. Thanks! *First time receiver buyer.


I have an 810 and I love it. For the price I paid it was a steal. My question to you would be: How did you end up picking the 810? Between the 710, 810, 1010, and 2010 there are some decent differences. I recommend looking at post #3 of this thread and comparing the model differences. They range from power rating, room correction capability, video processing, subwoofer control\eq, Zone 2 capability.

I wish my 810 had the better room correction, but thats about it. Then again, thats for my usage.
post #2213 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Sven37 View Post

I have an 810 and I love it. For the price I paid it was a steal. My question to you would be: How did you end up picking the 810? Between the 710, 810, 1010, and 2010 there are some decent differences. I recommend looking at post #3 of this thread and comparing the model differences. They range from power rating, room correction capability, video processing, subwoofer control\eq, Zone 2 capability.

I wish my 810 had the better room correction, but thats about it. Then again, thats for my usage.

Sorry it was the 820. My main reason to pick the 820 was the price. Still, I might lead to the 1020 since it seems that its a pretty big jump in features compare to the 820. Thanks!
post #2214 of 2855
Hi there,

I bought Yamaha A720 with Mirage OmniSat OS3 front,rear,center and S10 Sub. Here are the current config in my receiver.

Power Amp Assign - 5ch Bi-AMP
Configuration:
Speakers- Small, Subwoofer - Normal, Bass Cross Over - 80Hz
Distance from listening position:
Front - 10ft
Center - 9.8ft
Rear left - 4.6ft, Rear Right - 5.6ft
Level:
Front left - 0db, Front right - -1.0db
Center - -2.0db, Sub - -5.0db
Rear left - -1.5db, Rear right - -3.0db
Parametric EQ - YPAO:Natural (Need clarification on this as there are Flat, Front, Natural and Thorugh).

Sound setup:
Lipsync
Auto/manual - Auto
Adjustment - 0ms
Dynamic range - Max
Max Volume - +16.5db, Initial volume - -40.0db
Adaptive DSP level - On

Subwoofer:
Phase - 0 degree
Level - set to 60%
Frequency - 120
Filter - ON

Our living room is 15x13 with left side open and window on the right side.
Please let me know whether this configuration is good for listening music and movies.

I have to increase the volume to -35db to hear the sound from the speakers and sometimes I have to increase to -20db. Not sure whether its normal to increase the dial from -80db to -35db or -20db to hear the sound when listening to music and movies.

Your input and suggestion is much appreciated on this issue as at times I feel that something wrong with the speakers or its not tuned properly.

Thank you,
post #2215 of 2855
You don't say what you think might be wrong, but you should try a few things and not just trust the YPAO setup.
First, turn the sub filter OFF, because the receiver is performing that function.
If you think you should have more bass, try turning up the sub level a few dB in the receiver. Do this while listening to something familiar that has plenty of bass.
Since your speakers are fairly small, 80Hz crossover might be a bit low. I would try 100Hz to see if it sounds better.
Make sure Adaptive DRC is Off (it might be turned on by default if you select a certain SCENE).

Now compare YPAO Natural with Flat and Through (off). You might actually prefer YPAO off, as it doesn't always do a great job.

The volume levels you described are normal.
post #2216 of 2855
Thank you Kriktsemaj99.

Changed the settings as per your suggestion and it made a whole lot of difference in listening music and movies.

I have turned off the YPAO and its way better than before.

Thanks a lot again.
post #2217 of 2855
I have a 3010
And I have my subwoofers set as front/rear
I was under the impression that the low frequencies for my mains and centers would be directed to my front sub (sw1), while those from surrounds and backs go to my rear sub (sw2)
I was messing around with my setting and it appears that all low frequencies (below my crossovers) get sent to the front sub and the rear only is activated via LFE (5.1)
In this case isn't it duplicating the .1 of the front channel
Perhaps someone can explain how this is different than setting it up as dual mono in the menu...
Thanks in advance
Bill
post #2218 of 2855
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Thanks for info!

I managed to add a Velodyne SMS-1 to my setup, so I'm cover on the sub EQ area. However, the fact that the A1010 applies one single crossover to all my speakers is a bummer.

I use an Antimode 8033 with my A1000 with my HT and I'm not at all disturbed by the single crossover for all my speakers. This article explains why better than I could.

This article explains why bass management in most AVRs (even really expensive ones) are less than ideal (though better than nothing).

The article on slopes is perhaps dated but I've seen no evidence that manufactures are providing adjustable slope parameters even 8 years later. As to the article on single vs. multiple crossovers, i think the principle remains applicable, despite its age.

Just some food for thought.
post #2219 of 2855
How good, if any, of a deal is an open box 2010 for $630 be. Seems like it should be good but I'm not up to date on receivers currently.
post #2220 of 2855
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Originally Posted by SupaKats View Post

How good, if any, of a deal is an open box 2010 for $630 be. Seems like it should be good but I'm not up to date on receivers currently.
Seems reasonable, IMHO. Make sure that this includes the YPAO calibration microphone and the remote control.
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