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post #2341 of 2855
First I need to thank the users of this forum for the wealth of knowledge they posses and pass on to us who mostly lurk here. I bought a 3010 about 8 months ago and it has been a blast learning all that it can do. My question is this; I want to know if these new android tv dongles such as this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/UG007-Android-4-1-1-Google-Smart-TV-Box-Mini-PC-HDMI-1080P-Stick-Dongle-USB-WIFI-/261187733532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd000881c[URL]http://[/URL]
will work if i use one of the 3010's receivers hdmi inputs, instead of directly into the TV. Its an older 720p Samsung DLP TV (that just wont die!) with one HDMI input.
post #2342 of 2855
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Edited by benw07 - 3/23/13 at 5:40pm
post #2343 of 2855
Hey all, havent been able to find much about the RX-V2073.

Anyone here got one, or know of a good forum thread? Doesnt seem to be an owners forum... does this mean no one likes this avr??
post #2344 of 2855
The RX-V2073 is the RX-A2020 without the fifth foot. If you have any questions about it you can try the RX-Axx20 thread.
post #2345 of 2855
seriously, is that the ONLY difference...5th foot?
was there a 30XX equivalent too?
post #2346 of 2855
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

seriously, is that the ONLY difference...5th foot?
was there a 30XX equivalent too?

Yes, the RX-3067 I believe.
post #2347 of 2855
There are also RX-V1073 and RX-V3073 models that correspond to the RX-A1020 and RX-A3020 respectively. The only differences are the fifth foot, waranty length, and the AVENTAGE name silk screened on the front. This also applies to the 2010 and 2011 model years, where the RX-Ax010/RX-Vx071 and the RX-Ax000/RX-Vx067 followed the same pattern. The HTR-8063 is also the same as the RX-A1000 except the fifth foot.

The RX-A7x0 and RX-A8x0 don't seem to have exact RX-V/HTR equivilents, but they do fit inbetween the RX-V6xx and RX-V8xx models in terms of features.

Not all of these models are available in all markets. Of the four digit models (RX-Ax0x0), the US only has the RX-A ones, while most the of the rest of the world either has only the RX-V or both.
post #2348 of 2855
Hello all, I am hoping someone may no the answer to this question as I can't seem to find the information in the manual. Do the speaker distance and volume settings in speaker setup also apply to the multi-channel analog inputs? The reason I ask is I am running an Oppo BDP-95 and it to has speaker level and distance settings and it has been recommended by owners to be set a certain way if the receiver it is connected to already has those settings configured. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. smile.gif
post #2349 of 2855
Speaker distances and bass management do not apply (they're implemented digitally so don't work on the multi-channel analog inputs). I think speaker levels should apply (volume control is done in the analog domain) but that one is also easy to test by turning one channel up or down to the max.

Since you're giving up DSP processing (YPAO correction etc.) with the multi-channel analog inputs, it's not a given that analog will sound better in your room than HDMI from the Oppo (even though on paper the BDP-95 has better analog circuitry than the Yamaha). It would be interesting to compare the two and see what you think (but you would need an SPL meter to make sure the analog and digital inputs are playing at exactly the same volume in order to do a fair comparison).
post #2350 of 2855
Thank you for verifying what I thought was the case. I will say that when I ran the oppo through the multichannel inputs it did seem much louder (that would be the speaker levels on both the oppo and yamaha on the + side. I will try lowering the oppo to 0 on output level to confirm. I will say this, after having the oppo running to a dedicated pre-amp (B&K ref 50 S2) for over a year and loving the sound through its mulitchannel in, switching to the yamaha multichannel when the B&K gave up the ghost gave me back the sound I missed from the B&K. I still do run the HDMI from the oppo but use that input on the yamaha for music streaming and casual listning. Since I can know do a A B comparison between HDMI and Analog I honestly have to say the analog inputs just flat sound better, more precise pinpoint of sounds from each surround speaker, better tighter bass and believe it or not lower noise floor. HDMI has it's purpose but analog out sounds fantastic. I think the oppo has a lot to do with it but there is no doubt on my system analog rules the roost. Just so other posters know what I am running here is my setup. If the oppo sounds this good i may upgrade to a oppo 105 for dedicated analog out and use the 95 for HDMI only

ATI 2007 7X200 watt amplifier
Yamaha RX-A3010 receiver
Oppo BDP-95
Klipsch rs63 front speakers
Klipsch RC62II center
Klipsch RB61 II front height
Klipsch RS 52 II surround and another pair for surround back
Rythmic 15" sealed sub (self built)
Polk Audio 12" 500 watt ported sub

Plus a lot of older 80's 90's gear MD, CD ect.
post #2351 of 2855
what should i do ? get rid of the rx-a1010 and buy AVR with subwoofer EQ ... or just keep the 8 month old rx-a1010 and buy Velodyne SMS-1!? or any other Sub eq system ...

btw could some1 give me a few Sub EQ system not to expensive plz .. and something easy to use also
post #2352 of 2855
yup i pretty much answered myself !!! ill keep the rxa1010 since i love the sound and buy anti-mode 8033 to EQ the sub ....

i found a behringer DSP1124P for sale used at 80$ near where i live , but this thing joined to REW seems way harder to use .. well for a newb like me !!!
Edited by nemoreborn - 3/30/13 at 9:53am
post #2353 of 2855
trying to connect my Wii to my A710...component and sound. Getting no sound, just picture. Any thoughts?

Nick
post #2354 of 2855
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Originally Posted by ndrj69 View Post

trying to connect my Wii to my A710...component and sound. Getting no sound, just picture. Any thoughts?

If you're using analog audio (red and white cables) from the Wii, you have to change some settings in the 710 menu. It's described on pages 27-28 of the 710 manual (under "Changing the combination of video/audio input jacks").
post #2355 of 2855
i will give it a try and update...Thanks!
post #2356 of 2855
I have been using Rhapsody on my 2010 for about 6 months now... But today all I get when I try to access it is the Rhapsody menu (with a logo on the left where the album art usually appears) and to the right where my playlist usually is it just says NOT CONNECTED??? My network is fine...I can access net radio and all my music files on my NAS....When i get to the page where you set up your account it say "signed in" and the option to sign in is grayed out??? anyone else having Rhapsody issues or know of a fix?

Thank you!
post #2357 of 2855
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I just came across an interesting scenario I was actually looking at an old video tape on a VCR and whenever I tried to fast-forward scan my picture would just disappear.
I tested it with another monitor and it's not the VCRs fault, and it only happens when connected they the 3010 what setting might I have to change so that when I'm doing fast-forward on a tape my screen doesn't go blank?

Hello,

I have the same problem with my RX-3010 and VCRs and Laserdiscs!!!
I contacted Yamaha and they told me there is no fix for it and it is a design flaw!!!
A friend of mine also contacted Yamaha with the same problems and they told him that even the RX-A3020 has the same design flaw...
I am wondering if anyone can get hold of the complete service manual of the receiver, so I could take a look at it and maybe fix the problem myself!
post #2358 of 2855
I came to the conclusion that it was a composite or S video to HDMI handshake issue
my final result was to use a analog video out directly to the TV...
post #2359 of 2855
Quote:
Hello,

I have the same problem with my RX-3010 and VCRs and Laserdiscs!!!
I contacted Yamaha and they told me there is no fix for it and it is a design flaw!!!
A friend of mine also contacted Yamaha with the same problems and they told him that even the RX-A3020 has the same design flaw...
I am wondering if anyone can get hold of the complete service manual of the receiver, so I could take a look at it and maybe fix the problem myself!

I don't think you'll be able to fix this yourself. Like billmich said, its related to the analog to HDMI conversion process. My hunch is that it is tied into the video processing. You could try turning of all of the video processing settings in the receiver and give it a go, but I doubt it.
post #2360 of 2855
Because of the analogue/mechanical nature of VHS and LaserDisc media they actually deviate significantly from standard NTSC timings when perfoming an operation like fast forwarding. It's not just your AV receiver that can have a problem with this but your TV as well, especially when using its HD inputs, HDMI or even component. It might not be the receiver that's giving up on the signal when this happens but your TV. Your TV's legacy inputs, composite and S-Video are more likely to be tolerant of the bad timings that occur when fast forwarding.

For what its worth, my AV receiver (HTR-8063 aka RX-A1000) doesn't seem to have a problem with fast forwarding a VHS tape, but my TV doesn't like it if I use its component video input when I do this. The composite and HDMI inputs work fine.

Like Sven37 said your only chance of fixing this problem in the receiver is with playing around video processing options. Turning them on might actually help as well. My AV receiver is actually converting my VCR's 480i video to 480p over HDMI because my TV HDMI input doesn't support 480i. That may be forcing the receiver to fix the timings into something the TV will accept.
post #2361 of 2855
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

I came to the conclusion that it was a composite or S video to HDMI handshake issue
my final result was to use a analog video out directly to the TV...

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Originally Posted by Sven37 View Post

I don't think you'll be able to fix this yourself. Like billmich said, its related to the analog to HDMI conversion process. My hunch is that it is tied into the video processing. You could try turning of all of the video processing settings in the receiver and give it a go, but I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Because of the analogue/mechanical nature of VHS and LaserDisc media they actually deviate significantly from standard NTSC timings when perfoming an operation like fast forwarding. It's not just your AV receiver that can have a problem with this but your TV as well, especially when using its HD inputs, HDMI or even component. It might not be the receiver that's giving up on the signal when this happens but your TV. Your TV's legacy inputs, composite and S-Video are more likely to be tolerant of the bad timings that occur when fast forwarding.

For what its worth, my AV receiver (HTR-8063 aka RX-A1000) doesn't seem to have a problem with fast forwarding a VHS tape, but my TV doesn't like it if I use its component video input when I do this. The composite and HDMI inputs work fine.

Like Sven37 said your only chance of fixing this problem in the receiver is with playing around video processing options. Turning them on might actually help as well. My AV receiver is actually converting my VCR's 480i video to 480p over HDMI because my TV HDMI input doesn't support 480i. That may be forcing the receiver to fix the timings into something the TV will accept.


Thanks for all your replies. I really don't want to connect the VCRs and the laserdisc direct to the TV/Projector as the RX-A3010 video processor is great and the image quality is very good.

I made a some tests with three different TVs and one projector using HDMI:

1) When using an external TBC, it solves the problem. But this is a very expensive solution as it will need one TBC for each composite video device.
2) Turning the video processing off, makes the display blink black for a second e the image appears again. With video processing on, it takes about 1 minute to the image appear again.
3) Used a chinese composite to HDMI converter and it works flawlessly, but the image quality is not as good as the RX-A3010 processing.

I think it is really related to the analog to digital conversion, but RX-A3010 specs informs that it has a internal TBC!!! So why do we need to use an external TBC?
Maybe it is a software/firmware issue. I am telling you that, because I had a RX-Z11 and this receiver was not able to display blacker than black images. I sent a lot of emails to Yamaha asking for this. They always said thay it was within specs. So I got the service manual for it and made a microcontroller code to change the I2C register of the video processor in real time, so it was able to pass blacker than black images!!!
After two years, Yamaha finally released a firmware that was able to pass blacker than black!!!
Just for the record: the RX-Z11 upconvertion was perfect!!!!

So maybe if I get the complete service manual for the RX-A3010, I could write a microcontroller code to set the video conversion chip to do the right thing.
Maybe other suggestions?
post #2362 of 2855
Well, the RX-A3000 service manual is linked in the RX-Ax000 thread, and for these purposes this receiver and yours should be identical. The video processing is done by two chips in these receivers, an FPGA with custom programming by Yamaha and the more advanced HQV VHD1900 chip. The service manual doesn't describe how to interface with either chip. You might be able find a VHD1900 datasheet, but I don't think you'll be able to find anything about the FPGA unless you reverse engineer its firmware.

Have you tried using an analogue video cable direct to your display(s)? There might not be that much difference in video quality. You can also run it through the receiver if that's more convienent. With analogue-to-analogue video conversion turned off it's a straight analogue path with no conversion or processing so it'll be the same as connecting it directly. (Though it might work with it turned on, since the VHD1900 chip wouldn't be used this way.)
post #2363 of 2855
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Originally Posted by nickba View Post


Thanks for all your replies. I really don't want to connect the VCRs and the laserdisc direct to the TV/Projector as the RX-A3010 video processor is great and the image quality is very good.

I made a some tests with three different TVs and one projector using HDMI:

1) When using an external TBC, it solves the problem. But this is a very expensive solution as it will need one TBC for each composite video device.
2) Turning the video processing off, makes the display blink black for a second e the image appears again. With video processing on, it takes about 1 minute to the image appear again.
3) Used a chinese composite to HDMI converter and it works flawlessly, but the image quality is not as good as the RX-A3010 processing.

I think it is really related to the analog to digital conversion, but RX-A3010 specs informs that it has a internal TBC!!! So why do we need to use an external TBC?

Ok you made me look up what a TBC is wink.gif

http://www.questronix.com.au/info/info_tbc.htm

But I'd say you sound like a really smart guy and enjoy problem solving. But do you really watch enough VHS to justify hacking your AVR? Sounds simpler to connect analog sources to analog inputs and have one analog output to your display.

Have you called Yamaha about the issue?

Also can you provide a link for the composite to HDMI converter you are using? Thanks!
post #2364 of 2855
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Originally Posted by hdfonz View Post

First I need to thank the users of this forum for the wealth of knowledge they posses and pass on to us who mostly lurk here. I bought a 3010 about 8 months ago and it has been a blast learning all that it can do. My question is this; I want to know if these new android tv dongles such as this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/UG007-Android-4-1-1-Google-Smart-TV-Box-Mini-PC-HDMI-1080P-Stick-Dongle-USB-WIFI-/261187733532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd000881c[URL]http://[/URL]
will work if i use one of the 3010's receivers hdmi inputs, instead of directly into the TV. Its an older 720p Samsung DLP TV (that just wont die!) with one HDMI input.
Sounds like it would work since it has an HDMI pass through. But it has some bad reviews :/

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/cr/B00A1ZTQB8/ref=mw_dp_cr
post #2365 of 2855
I have a s-VHS vcr, I use the s-video outs for the purpose of dubbing to my DVD recorder
I use the composite out to my 3010, and use a composite out from that to my display

The rare times I need to watch a tape, I simply change the tv input

Easy work around
Edited by billmich - 4/13/13 at 6:02am
post #2366 of 2855
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Well, the RX-A3000 service manual is linked in the RX-Ax000 thread, and for these purposes this receiver and yours should be identical. The video processing is done by two chips in these receivers, an FPGA with custom programming by Yamaha and the more advanced HQV VHD1900 chip. The service manual doesn't describe how to interface with either chip. You might be able find a VHD1900 datasheet, but I don't think you'll be able to find anything about the FPGA unless you reverse engineer its firmware.

Have you tried using an analogue video cable direct to your display(s)? There might not be that much difference in video quality. You can also run it through the receiver if that's more convienent. With analogue-to-analogue video conversion turned off it's a straight analogue path with no conversion or processing so it'll be the same as connecting it directly. (Though it might work with it turned on, since the VHD1900 chip wouldn't be used this way.)

I will take a look at the RX-A3000 service manual. I hope the video conversion section is similar to RX-A3010.
I tried to use the composite video direct to the displays. The difference is huge!! In the 60" TV the difference is not that big, but in a 133" screen the difference is huge. The VHD1900 processing is really good. It makes the laserdiscs look way better than DVDs and better than a lot of Blu-Ray as there is not compression artifacts on laserdiscs.


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Originally Posted by CaptainVideoJW View Post

Ok you made me look up what a TBC is wink.gif

http://www.questronix.com.au/info/info_tbc.htm

But I'd say you sound like a really smart guy and enjoy problem solving. But do you really watch enough VHS to justify hacking your AVR? Sounds simpler to connect analog sources to analog inputs and have one analog output to your display.

Have you called Yamaha about the issue?

Also can you provide a link for the composite to HDMI converter you are using? Thanks!

I am trying to solve this more for the laserdiscs than the VHS, but as I said, after you pass the composite video through the RX-A3010 using the VHD1900 processing, the image is really good.

I tried to contact Yamaha and they told me it is a design flaw of the receiver. I think it is a lame firmware, because you just need to send the right instructions for the conversion chips...

The composite to HDMI converter that works is this one:
http://dx.com/p/cvbs-composite-av-s-video-to-hdmi1080p-scaler-converter-100694
But its image quality is not as good as the VHD1900 video processing in the RX-A3010.
So the best solution would be a firmware or hardware fix the RX-A3010!!!

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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

I have a s-VHS vcr, I use the s-video outs for the purpose of dubbing to my DVD recorder
I use the composite out to my 3010, and use a composite out from that to my display

The rare times I need to watch a tape, I simple change the tv input

Easy work around

Have you tried to use the video processing in the receiver? If you set the right parameters, the output image in HDMI looks way better.
post #2367 of 2855
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Originally Posted by nickba View Post

Have you tried to use the video processing in the receiver? If you set the right parameters, the output image in HDMI looks way better.

I recently turned processing off with my new tv, Sony XBR55HX950. I found it made the image a little fuzzy, loss of sharpness.
Edited by CaptainVideoJW - 4/12/13 at 7:33pm
post #2368 of 2855
I will ask my tv calibrator about what settings will be best for my display
post #2369 of 2855
Hello,

Do you have this kind of problems ?




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post #2370 of 2855
Looks like the memory that stores the character definitions is corrupted. Try power cycling (unplug from the wall, don't just use the power button) to see if that fixes it. If not, try a firmware update (even if you have to reinstall the same version you already have). Use the USB firmware update method as that should let you force an update even if it's not a new version.
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