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post #2401 of 2855
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

Explain what exactly ypao "natural" does...

I don't think Yamaha have ever documented exactly what it does, but it rolls off the high frequencies which is supposed to make things sound more natural than a truly flat frequency response. You'll have to compare Natural and Flat to see which you prefer.
post #2402 of 2855
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

Explain what exactly ypao "natural" does...

It kills the treble. I initially had it set to YPAO natural. After doing some A/B testing with the same scenes with Natural vs Flat, it became clear very quickly how muffled Natural sounded compared to Flat (at least on my system, to my ears.) Flat sounds far better IMO, but test it for yourself and see what you like better.
post #2403 of 2855
YPAO NATURAL is a setting that reduces the exaggeration in treble. I for one likes the FLAT SETTING but it really boils down to preference. In my listening room the difference between NATURAL and FLAT is not as pronounced as what some of you have.

If you find FLAT to be too bright and NATURAL too muffled, you can copy either one to manual and edit the settings to suit your taste.
post #2404 of 2855
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

If you want to play around with the EQ then you always do it with Manual, but you can first copy any of the YPAO modes to Manual as a starting point. YPAO Flat usually sounds brighter than Natural. YPAO Front doesn't EQ your front speakers and then tries to match your other speakers to the fronts.

"Through" just means EQ is disabled, and you can select this to compare with the YPAO result (or your manual tweaks) and see if the EQ has actually improved things or made it worse (quite possible).

I just posted the following in another thread, but it's relevant here too...

If you're going to try manual adjustments it's useful to know what the current PEQ filters are doing. Since you have up to 7 filters for each channel it can be hard to visualize what the overall effect is on the frequency response. To help with that you could enter your settings into PEQedit.

If you use Receiver Manager (assuming it supports your model) and save all your settings to a file, PEQedit can read the file and display what the PEQ filters are doing.

For models that don't have Receiver Manager, you can save settings through the web control interface. I don't know what format is used for files saved through the web interface, but if someone does a backup of their settings using the web interface and posts the file, I will see if I can make PEQedit read that file.

According to the manual, a backup file file does not contain any personal info such as account/password or MAC address, but you could send me a PM if you don't want to post the file here.

This is some very interesting information. I've had a 3010 for a while now, EQ set to Flat after YPAO, and keep thinking there's just something off about it. It sounds very clean, but it has very little mid-range punch, and definitely some weirdness with sub gain (YPAO set my Rythmik E15 600W to like -5, which was barely audible, and my setting of +5 sounds integrated). I have Klipsch RF-62 II's in front, and I know darn well that their dual 6.5" drivers should be producing more punch than what I'm hearing. All speakers are set to small, 80hz crossovers (except the two surround back in-wall 6.5" drivers set to 90hz).

I am going to take a look at copying setting to manual (didn't know this was possible). Hopefully digging around in those manual settings will help me to discover what the problem is, even though I'm no EQ expert. Perhaps I need this Receiver Manager + PEQedit file to really understand things.

Thanks for tips kriktsemaj99!
post #2405 of 2855
No problem.

And I'm still looking for a volunteer to backup their settings through the web browser interface and post (or PM me a link to) the resulting file. I'd like to know if it uses the same file format as Receiver Manager, or something different.
post #2406 of 2855
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

No problem.

And I'm still looking for a volunteer to backup their settings through the web browser interface and post (or PM me a link to) the resulting file. I'd like to know if it uses the same file format as Receiver Manager, or something different.

I'll volunteer to post my stuff. That is, if I remember tonight or this week...
post #2407 of 2855
Thanks for that. Unfortunately it seems the file format is not so obvious (unlike the backup file from Receiver Manager which is readable XML).
post #2408 of 2855
I saw this in another thread;
And this review says don't use the Front+Rear sub setting, because it only sends LFE to the rear sub. Even if your subs are physically located at front and rear.

Is this true with the 3010?

This was in the 3020 thread, and the link was in reference to a review on the 3000

Any ideas?
post #2409 of 2855
Don't know for sure, but I would expect the 3000/3010/3020 to behave the same.
post #2410 of 2855
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

I saw this in another thread;
And this review says don't use the Front+Rear sub setting, because it only sends LFE to the rear sub. Even if your subs are physically located at front and rear.

Is this true with the 3010?

This was in the 3020 thread, and the link was in reference to a review on the 3000

Any ideas?

Not true. I have a 3020 and LFE is sent to both subs configured as FRONT + REAR.
post #2411 of 2855
The statement in that review is ambiguous. "only sends LFE to the rear sub" can be interpreted two ways:

1) LFE goes to the rear sub and not to the front sub.
2) only LFE (and no other bass) is sent to the rear sub.

If you're trying to test this you have to distinguish between the dedicated LFE track, and other bass below the crossover frequency. But regardless of that, there must be some difference between Front+Rear and Monaural x2 settings, and if it doesn't determine which sub get LFE and which gets the rest of the bass, what else could it be?
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It is my understanding that both of the subs get the LFE track and the differences is that the front sub woofer gets the front speakers bass frequencies and the rear subwoofer will get the rear speakers bass frequencies ( below crossovers)
post #2414 of 2855
This review (link) agrees with that interpretation.

"Or you can set them to Front/Rear, in which case the ‘Rear’ one receives redirected bass from the various rear speakers, while the front gets bass from the ‘Small’ front speakers. Both get the LFE signal."

It does seem more sensible, but Audioholics usually do actual measurements and they claimed LFE only sent to the rear. I don't know why Yamaha couldn't have included a short explanation in the manual.
Edited by kriktsemaj99 - 4/29/13 at 12:44pm
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Has anyone had their remotes stop working with their AVR? My remotes are working, (lights light up) the zone is correct, but neither the large or mini remote will control the receiver. My android app and laptop are still able to control the unit. Has anyone else had this issue?
post #2416 of 2855
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Originally Posted by hdfonz View Post

Has anyone had their remotes stop working with their AVR? My remotes are working, (lights light up) the zone is correct, but neither the large or mini remote will control the receiver. My android app and laptop are still able to control the unit. Has anyone else had this issue?
Make sure the Remote ID hasn't been changed to ID 2 in the advanced menu.
post #2417 of 2855
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Originally Posted by CaptainVideoJW View Post

Make sure the Remote ID hasn't been changed to ID 2 in the advanced menu.

Yes I tried that, It doesn't recognize my programmed satellite remote anymore, either.
post #2418 of 2855
Check the manual for the exact location of the IR sensor on the front the receiver (it should be to the right of the display) and see if anything is blocking or obscuring it. Also, check the front panel buttons to see if they still work.
post #2419 of 2855
Hey guys, quick question. I was prompted for a firmware update and of course clicked yes, but ever since, i've been having a problem playing media files from my server that I used to play without a hitch. all the files are .flac and .mp3. I get an error that says "unplayable." I did a quick search for any similar problems and didn't find anything. (brain is also a little fried after the end of the semester. was trying to relax with some tunes.)
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Hey guys, got a slight problem and I am not sure if its a setting or a limitation of the receiver and hopefully someone can help. i have the RX-A3010 and now (yes this sounds crazy) have an AT ATI2007 (7X200W) amp, and an additional AT ATI 2004 (4X200W) amplifier wich gives me a total of 11 channels of external amplification:D. I am trying to utilize the following Yamaha pre-outs; Front, Center, Surround, Surround Back, Zone2/Front presence, and Zone 3/Rear presence. Now with everything hooked up to external amps, it all works EXCEPT i get no sound from my Front presence speakers using the ZONE2/Front presence pre-outs:eek:. I have the amplifier settings in the Yamaha set to 7CH+Front+1Z and have the front presence speakers ON and Zone 3 active. I do get front presence sound BUT only if they are connected to the SPK1 amplifier outputs on the yamaha and I do have zone 3 sound going to my zone with no issues again using the Zone3/Rear presence pre-outs. My thinking is to set the amp settings to "Basic" but I am not sure if that disables the Zone preouts (or zone capability) and just insure the rear presence is set for no speakers connected and the front presence speakers are connected and set to small. Basically I just want to use the AT amps for all speakers, I had them before I purchased the Yamaha when My previous pre-pro died and still want to utilize them now as well as using the Yamaha as pretty much a pure Pre-Processor. Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I have been trying to figure this out now for a couple of days and getting nowhere quick. Just an FYI, I did check the channels on the external amp which I had conected to the ZONE2/Rear presence pre-out jacks and they work with no issues so its not and external amp problem. One work around which I can do if all else fails is do the following in the amp setup section during the winter months when the Zone 3 is not being used and physically reconnect my external amp channels to ZONE2/Front Presence and set it to 7CH+FP+RP and then tell the yamaha there is no rear presence speakers but that a lot of reconnecting of patch cables and speaker wires.
post #2421 of 2855
It's not entirely clear what speaker configuration you're trying to implement. I'm going to assume you want to have 7.1 speakers plus front presence speakers in the main zone, and stereo speakers in another zone, and you want this all driven using external amps. You don't want to use any of the RX-A3010 internal amps.

The "ZONE 2/F. PRESENCE" and "ZONE 3/R. PRESENCE" pre-outs are dual use. They can either be used to drive external zone speakers or presence speakers. Which depends on the Power Amp Assign setting. If the setting includes "+FP" then the first of these pair of jacks is used for front presence, if not it's used for zone 2. Similarily if the setting includes "+RP" then you can connect rear presence speakers through an external amplifier, but not zone 3 speakers.

The "+FRONT" part tells receiver you have an external amplifier connected to the front pre-outs so that it can reassign the internal amplifiers normally used for the front speakers for another purpose. You don't need the receiver to do this reassignment since you're not using the internal amplifiers.

A setting with "+1ZONE" or "+2ZONE" included in it tells the receiver you want to hook up zone speakers directly to the EXTRA SP1 and/or EXTRA SP2 speaker terminals. Since you don't want to use either of these speaker terminals you don't need to use a setting that incudes either of these suffixes.

So you want a power amp assign setting that includes "+FP" but not "+RP". The only setting that meets these requirements is "7ch BI-AMP + FP". This should let you hook up your speakers in the configuration you want. The 7ch BI-AMP part should only affect how the receiver drives its own speaker terminals, which you're not using.
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Thank you for the information, i am trying to run my Front, Center, surround, Surround Back, Front Presence, and Zone 3 speakers all from the pre-outs and not utilize any of The Yamaha internal amps. The explanation on the pre-outs is greatly appreciated. I am now curios using your explanation above if just the "Basic" setting will work. One thing I did try was 9+Front but I still could not get sound out of the front presence pre-amp outs. Others I have tried are: 7CH+Front+1Zone, 9 CH+1Zone with still no luck. The manual is very vague on how the pre-out labels correspond to there respective amp Channels and there correlation. There is one blurb in the manual and all it states is that the amp channels correspond to there appropriate pre-amp outputs. Anything else you can think of trying would be greatly appreciated and thanks again for the information.
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Ross Ridge

Just for clarification, I am trying to run 7 channels with Front Presence and 1 Zone for my deck. Do you know if Basic setting disables the Zone settings as that maybe the ticket.

thank you again for your help
post #2424 of 2855
Since the Basic setting doesn't include "+FP" or "+RP", both pairs of zone/presence pre-out jacks work as zone pre-outs and not presence pre-outs.

Try the "7ch BI-AMP + FP" setting. If that doesn't work then nothing will and you'll have to connect either your presense speakers or zone speakers directly to the receiver.
post #2425 of 2855
Ross

Thank you, I also found the notes you had on the 3000 thread regarding pre-amp assignment settings and it is very informative. Will the suggested setting affect how warm the receiver runs or since there really isn't any speakers connected is it a mute point. The one thing I do wish is there was a way to have the receiver turn of it's internal amps as an option. I would love it if Yamaha came out with a pre-pro with all the features of there 3000 series as I for one would jump on that in a heartbeat, oh the good ol days of the C- series pre-amps. Thanks again
post #2426 of 2855
The RX-A3000 works a bit differently, it has only 7 channels of internal amplification and multiplexes (dual purposes) the pre-outs differently, so that post doesn't apply very well to the RX-A3010.
post #2427 of 2855
Russ

Thank you, the setting you recommended worked!!!!!!, I now have all channels driven by my external amps helping to keep the Yamaha cooler and taking advantage of my pre existing amps, your help is greatly appreciated.
post #2428 of 2855
I would also consider looking at the rx-v673. It doesn't have quite the video processing but more or less it's still a good receiver. If you are going to be using the video processing more so, then the 710 is a decent choice. If you can find the means I would definitely look at the A1000 or A1010.
post #2429 of 2855
RX-A1010 sub outs...
Can it calibrate subs seperatly? I haven't been able to figure it out.
Both subs currently share the same test signal.
post #2430 of 2855
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Originally Posted by smitty8451 View Post

Russ

Thank you, the setting you recommended worked!!!!!!, I now have all channels driven by my external amps helping to keep the Yamaha cooler and taking advantage of my pre existing amps, your help is greatly appreciated.

You should get one of these fans. Keeps it really cool and is quiet.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004K3DM2G
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